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I have a recently new RSQ (333 triple tray)

When I first got it, it wouldn't play any of my home burned cdg's. I tried the "karaoke-normal-PBC off" setting, and played with uh, some "other" setting on back pf the player, but nothing seemed to work. It would play, but not show the graphics.

Then, all of a sudden, it just started playing them. Now I have no problem. (dunno how that happened, if I did something right, or if the player just decided to behave)

Saturday night, I went to karaoke. They just bought a new RSQ, and had the same problem. The KJ said it was supposed to be able to play them, but he just got an error message. (something about "invalid key")- ??.

So.....  :crying2: ..... I had to use regular cdg's. And that's not always so fun, I kinda like being a karaoke pirate  :roll: , I have some pretty good cdg's I've burned.

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Is there a step I'm maybe missing when I burn these or something? I use Cdrwin.
And I use MP3+G Toolz vs. 4 to "convert Audio + G to Bin", and auto create a cue sheet, then load the cue sheet into Cdrwin. I know there's lots of settings in Cdrwin, but I just load the cue sheet & burn the cd, I don't mess with anything else. Am I doing something wrong, or missing a step? (none of the home burned cd's hardly ever worked in my OLD karaoke player)

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BlueStainedShoes @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:56 am wrote:
I have a recently new RSQ (333 triple tray)
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Is there a step I'm maybe missing when I burn these or something? I use Cdrwin.
And I use MP3+G Toolz vs. 4 to "convert Audio + G to Bin", and auto create a cue sheet, then load the cue sheet into Cdrwin. I know there's lots of settings in Cdrwin, but I just load the cue sheet & burn the cd, I don't mess with anything else. Am I doing something wrong, or missing a step? (none of the home burned cd's hardly ever worked in my OLD karaoke player)

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I am confused too.  Why are you converting stuff with MP3+G Toolz?


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I never had to do any conversion when copying discs, I use a copying program so it is a one step process. Perhaps use a different software to copy? I am puzzled why it didn't work but all of sudden it worked. Were they the same discs that didn't work but now it work?

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twansenne @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:55 am wrote:
I am confused too.  Why are you converting stuff with MP3+G Toolz?



Uh, cause that's the only way I know how to get cdg's to burn, is if I make them into a BIN file & create a cue sheet. If there's an easier way, haha, pa-leaze tell me. Having BIN files takes up so much space, and until I put my new HD in, I really can't afford that. So I remove them right after I burn the cdg.

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I never had to do any conversion when copying discs, I use a copying program so it is a one step process. Perhaps use a different software to copy? I am puzzled why it didn't work but all of sudden it worked. Were they the same discs that didn't work but now it work?


Well, geez, it was right here in these forums that I was told that that was the way to be able to burn my own cdg's. I'm not "copying" them. Make me out to be the bad little pirate here.... :D .... the only ones I'm burning are the ones people send me. I don't just want them left on my comp, I want them on cdg to sing with. So I don't need a software to "copy" them Eben.
And yes, the same exact discs. Would not pick up the graphics at all, now all of a sudden they work fine- every time I play them. And, they're my newest songs, so I play them quite often at home when I sing.

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BlueStainedShoes @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:56 pm wrote:
So, my question is.....

Is there a step I'm maybe missing when I burn these or something? I use Cdrwin.
And I use MP3+G Toolz vs. 4 to "convert Audio + G to Bin", and auto create a cue sheet, then load the cue sheet into Cdrwin. I know there's lots of settings in Cdrwin, but I just load the cue sheet & burn the cd, I don't mess with anything else. Am I doing something wrong, or missing a step? (none of the home burned cd's hardly ever worked in my OLD karaoke player) ????

When you select Load Tracks from the Record Disk window, make sure you select Disc Type as CD+G (Not audio)

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twansenne @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:55 am wrote:
I am confused too.  Why are you converting stuff with MP3+G Toolz?

Uh, cause that's the only way I know how to get cdg's to burn, is if I make them into a BIN file & create a cue sheet. If there's an easier way, haha, pa-leaze tell me. Having BIN files takes up so much space, and until I put my new HD in, I really can't afford that. So I remove them right after I burn the cdg.

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I never had to do any conversion when copying discs, I use a copying program so it is a one step process. Perhaps use a different software to copy? I am puzzled why it didn't work but all of sudden it worked. Were they the same discs that didn't work but now it work?

Well, geez, it was right here in these forums that I was told that that was the way to be able to burn my own cdg's. I'm not "copying" them. Make me out to be the bad little pirate here.... :D .... the only ones I'm burning are the ones people send me. I don't just want them left on my comp, I want them on cdg to sing with. So I don't need a software to "copy" them Eben.
And yes, the same exact discs. Would not pick up the graphics at all, now all of a sudden they work fine- every time I play them. And, they're my newest songs, so I play them quite often at home when I sing.


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When you have zipped or mp3&g files, they need to be converted to bin files in order to use cdrwin. No easy way out.

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CDRWin can rip BIN files if you select "Extract Disc/Tracks/Sectors" on the menu. It's possible that BlueStainedShoes has some multi-session discs to copy, which would explain why they are ripped with MP3+G Toolz into BIN files, then burned onto a disc with CDRWin.  Goldenhawk was supposed to upgrade CDRWin to support multi-session - don't know if this has actually happened.


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Normally if someone sends you a file (CDG) or you obtain it from the net, it comes in zip format (to save space), containing 2 files, a data and music file. These need to be combined in a bin file in order for CDRWin to burn them to disk.


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AllStar @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:08 am wrote:
When you select Load Tracks from the Record Disk window, make sure you select Disc Type as CD+G (Not audio)


:headscratch:  I don't select "Load Tracks"........ I just use "Load cuesheet". Maybe that's why mine wont play in some players? And I guess by loading tracks, you'd use the BIN files? ...... I'll play with it tonight when I get home.

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When you have zipped or mp3&g files, they need to be converted to bin files in order to use cdrwin. No easy way out.


Okay, so atleast I'm doing something right. Thank you Tony.  :wave:  :wink:

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CDRWin can rip BIN files if you select "Extract Disc/Tracks/Sectors" on the menu. It's possible that BlueStainedShoes has some multi-session discs to copy, which would explain why they are ripped with MP3+G Toolz into BIN files, then burned onto a disc with CDRWin.


Again....... I'm not ripping these, they are songs I have emailed to me, or download from somewhere, I'm not copying cd's or anything. I just need them ON a cd that works right in all players. (well, all that should play them anyhow)  Thanks for helping.

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AllStar @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:26 pm wrote:
Normally if someone sends you a file (CDG) or you obtain it from the net, it comes in zip format (to save space), containing 2 files, a data and music file. These need to be combined in a bin file in order for CDRWin to burn them to disk.


Thanks Tony. I thought everyone must do it this way.... .but apparently not.

And, lol, I don't think people are understanding that I'm NOT "copying" a disk.  :no:  Ah well, I'm gonna play around with using the "select tracks".... but I guess I can't try it out until I go back to karaoke.  LOL

Back to the office for me, bye guys.... and thanks.  :wave:

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BlueStainedShoes @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:33 am wrote:
Well, geez, it was right here in these forums that I was told that that was the way to be able to burn my own cdg's. I'm not "copying" them. Make me out to be the bad little pirate here.... :D .... the only ones I'm burning are the ones people send me.


So you don't even own the music you are burning?  So you are a bad little pirate  :(  
At least if you were copying the ones you owned, you'd have proof of ownership.  Exactly the reason why I only play customers ORIGINAL discs.

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t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:39 pm wrote:
So you don't even own the music you are burning?  So you are a bad little pirate  :(  
At least if you were copying the ones you owned, you'd have proof of ownership.  Exactly the reason why I only play customers ORIGINAL discs.
Here we go again :no: stick to the technical question please.


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BlueStainedShoes @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:37 pm wrote:
Ah well, I'm gonna play around with using the "select tracks".... but I guess I can't try it out until I go back to karaoke.
? you have the RSQ, don't you?


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AllStar @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:56 pm wrote:
t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:39 pm wrote:
So you don't even own the music you are burning?  So you are a bad little pirate  :(  
At least if you were copying the ones you owned, you'd have proof of ownership.  Exactly the reason why I only play customers ORIGINAL discs.
Here we go again :no: stick to the technical question please.


Why she made the statement she's not a pirate because she's not copying, burning music you don't own is the worst kind!
Sorry you condone & support it!

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t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:39 pm wrote:
So you don't even own the music you are burning?  So you are a bad little pirate  :(  
At least if you were copying the ones you owned, you'd have proof of ownership.  Exactly the reason why I only play customers ORIGINAL discs.


Actually, I DO own them, once the zipped file is on MY hard drive, who else would it belong to?  :D I don't need to prove I own them, they are in my posession, and where I come from, posession is 9/10'ths of the law.  Don't go there, it's a losing battle. And it doens't hurt my feelings any for people to know what I so freely posted here. My local KJ's don't have a problem with them... the place I normally go in, uh, Eugene Oregon.  I've spent a hellavu lot of money on karaoke cdg's, and gotten some gave to me as well... And I don't wish to get into a "holier than thou" spat with anybody who wants to pretend they've never ever ever gotten a free song or video off the internet, or from a friend. Cause I don't believe them.

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Here we go again  stick to the technical question please.


Sorry,  LOL , I'm back on topic now. (ty)

Yes, Tony, I have the RSQ.... which seems to be accepting these fine now. Wierd that it was being so picky, and now it's playing them all okay. I meant.... I dunno about the new player the KJ got. I had to say "Okay, here, try this one".... then it wouldn't work either... luckily, he's one of the KJ's who saves song  slips, so I was able to yank out another that was in his system. (but I almost had to resort to telling a couple "blond guy" jokes to cover the silence in the bar while he kept trying my songs)  :D

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Nah, pirates can't be spanked yanno. We're too mean for things like spankin's.  :D

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t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:32 pm wrote:
Why she made the statement she's not a pirate because she's not copying, burning music you don't own is the worst kind!
Sorry you condone & support it!


Good lord.

I didn't make a statement saying I wasn't a pirate, I made a joke. I never really thought somebody would come in here yacking like that, calling me a karaoke sinner. I'm not gonna pretend they just "appeared" on my HD all by themselves. I have to make people undertand WHY it is that I'm trying to burn them only, not having to rip them, therefore explaining WHY a "copy" feature wont work for me.

If my evilness hurts your way of life, then stay the hell out of my thread. Shi-yit, I get sick of this. And you wonder why so many people hate to ask for help here. Some of you self proclaimed Techies need to get off your royal, legal little high horses. This is not a thread about pirating.

And Tony isn't condoning anything, he's just trying to answer THE QUESTIONS that were asked here. Gawd, but some of you are good at finding B-buttons and pushing them repeatedly in a rude sorta way.

So, thank you Tony, and you others who tried to help. Now, if the thread gets yanked because SOMEbody is ticking me off and making me say things I probably shouldn't, atleast I know something new to try.

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BlueStainedShoes @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:37 pm wrote:
t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:39 pm wrote:
So you don't even own the music you are burning?  So you are a bad little pirate  :(  
At least if you were copying the ones you owned, you'd have proof of ownership.  Exactly the reason why I only play customers ORIGINAL discs.


Actually, I DO own them, once the zipped file is on MY hard drive, who else would it belong to?  :D


So someone gives you something you didn't pay for, just because you have it means you own it?  Hmmmm, yeah tell that to all the people that have been busted for file sharing....same concept.

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BlueStainedShoes @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:53 pm wrote:
t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:32 pm wrote:
Why she made the statement she's not a pirate because she's not copying, burning music you don't own is the worst kind!
Sorry you condone & support it!


If my evilness hurts your way of life, then stay the hell out of my thread. Shi-yit, I get sick of this. And you wonder why so many people hate to ask for help here. Some of you self proclaimed Techies need to get off your royal, legal little high horses. This is not a thread about pirating.


Well your way of thinking HAS hurt my way of life because other companies get free music & do shows for next to nothing driving legitimate operators out of business because the bars no longer pay their value.  It has hurt my way of life because karaoke manufacturing companies no longer produce as much music because they have to pay to get appropriate licensing & they aren't going to bother since it's going to passed around freely so they don't make new music.  Some even close down.

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Giving the information on how to do it is just about the same thing...yes there are legal uses for these programs, this one happens to not be one of them.

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t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:32 pm wrote:
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t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:39 pm wrote:
So you don't even own the music you are burning?  So you are a bad little pirate  :(  
At least if you were copying the ones you owned, you'd have proof of ownership.  Exactly the reason why I only play customers ORIGINAL discs.
Here we go again :no: stick to the technical question please.


Why she made the statement she's not a pirate because she's not copying, burning music you don't own is the worst kind!
Sorry you condone & support it!

She never said excactly how she got the files on the hard drive. For all we know she could have gone to CAVSUSA.com or Tricerasoft.com and bought them for download.
I have several songs in my collection that I don't have a disc for. I legally bought them from a legitamate source and have the paperwork to prove it. So waht if I don't have a disc for every song I have. It doesn't make me a pirate.  Before jumping on someone and calling them an out and out pirate, find out how they really obtained such material before pointing fingers.

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t-towntenor @ Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:24 pm wrote:
So someone gives you something you didn't pay for, just because you have it means you own it?  Hmmmm, yeah tell that to all the people that have been busted for file sharing....same concept.


Maybe I DID pay for it? Maybe I gave THEM a song also, in return.  :D  

I know all about people getting busted for getting illegal downloads and all that. That's nothing new. Heck, speeding can get you a fine. You always drive the speed limit? I bet not. Point is, who is gonna show up and look at my cdg's, and if I ever did get busted, who is gonna come forward and say they GAVE me those highly illegal, dangerously explosive, deadly toxic karaoke songs I have burned on on unlabeled cd? Not any of my friends anyhow. It's not like I'm running a large, pirated karaoke show up here, and taking money from all the legal KJ's.... I'm just a singer, and hell yeah I'm gonna take a free song when friends are willing to send them to me. Hey wait, wasn't it YOU that sent me that last song I posted in the showcase? Yeah, I think it was actually.

Just..... sue me...... okay?  Even arguing with someone like you is boring, and I usually have fun in arguments.  :no:

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