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 Enjoy it whlie you can...  Suburbs of Denver are buying farmland in no co from folks they have bankruped with their laws and taxes. (for the water rights)Farmers here depend on irrigation water. This is the first year that farmers wells were shutoff for the people in their new houses. You drive by a section one day 2 months later its nothing but houses Or you have people  moving to the country then want to tell their neighbors how to live...The prairie dogs elk and mountain lions have taken over A father cannot rprotect his family from a mountain lion attack The county comissioners here wanted to limit one horse cow or chicken to one acre. They were swarmed by a whole lot of folk and gave up on that idea.  The people moving out in the country dont like the smells of a dairy farm.....Hunting fishing and other things have been totally destroyed in this state........The smoking ban goes into effect in a week Casinos are exempt...  It is so obvious who controls the lawmakers and county commissoners..[/quote]

Quite true and that comment brings it home.

It's all about money, always has been always will be.

i wonder if Keith uses helments when he goes on a trail ride????  That would be the thing to do...We wouln'dt want him getting bucked off and risk the possibility of a head injury...Heaven forbid!!!!!

Call me a bad mom, but even though there is a law, I do not make my kids wear a helment when they ride their bikes.  I survived and everyone one I know has survived without one......Just another stuis law that is just stupid...Unfortunate accidents do happen and they are just accidents.  it just the jerks trying to impose their beliefs on everyone else...

I am rambling, I am stopping now.

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Let's not forget the newest fear, "Bullies".

We as a society now are expected to identify and prevent bully behavior in children....what a joke....I tought my kid to fight back, and he learned on his own not to push other kids around or he would get his nose broke.

These days I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to sue a website because they got carpal tunnel from posting in a forum.

I think you mean Bullies that might actually shoot you, rather than just beat you up and hoist you up the flag pole swinging from your underpants.  Bullies have always existed... Elementary school kid's didn't worry about getting shot however, at least in our day Keith.  Getting killed likely wasn't the concern, but gang's, and class bullies were bloodying people really badly in my Jr High, ahd HS...  We had the "greaser's" that hung out around the gym,  Knife fight's also existed where I grew up...  I think the difference now is that people are more afraid of falling victim to random violence, and arbitrary drive-by, bullet spray's, etc...  Yet even in Hartford there are ethnic gangs killing, and they killed 30 years ago... Walking down Albany Ave in the North end of Hartford was always somewhat risking your life.. Day or Night,  (of course when I drank, I'd do it in a three piece suit..., wasn't afraid of anything,  I played in some of those area's, and liked them, two places that had decent blues... Although I was friends with the black musicians in that area, as a white person, dressed like a pretentious pimp.. I'm lucky I never got shot at). who knows,  maybe I did,  still have some lead upstairs.. JUst didn't feel it at the time....

DIfference today is school age kids getting shot,  Gang area's were always pretty dangerous, as were inner-city groups and urban area schools..  Those were never safe, even in the 70's...  Suburban area's such as Columbine, some of the nicer quieter areas never expected to fall victim to what happened.... That pretty much reminded people that lightening can strike just about anywhere despite your socio-econ status...location

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I think part of the problem however IS related to the times, and current situations however Keith.  Decline of family unit being of importance today,  decline of religion, God belief, after school boardgames, and HAVING to interact with others for abit until the dinner bell rang... are replaced by virtual point and shoot stuff, violence on TV, and the who time both parents are often away working, or doing something letting technology babysit for their kids.... Kid's also, that today at a young age are brought up having rights they aren't ready to have such as "Divorcing or suing" parents, parents can't discipline the really troubled child anymore.. Corporal punishment (which I believe only in some cases IS necessary) is not onlu Politically incorrect, it's an arrestible offense, parents can't exert authority when necessary, consequently kids have no fear,  SOME fear is necessary, as is some belief.. Getting emancipated at an age that couldn't happen years ago... The gov't telling parents that spanking (in all scenerio's,  even the trouble-maker male child who fears nothing, and will get himself hurt, and hurt others, and defies adults) is child abuse, so the gov't even controls the family unit..... I grew up fearing my parents.  If I said "Shut the F__ up dad, you have no real authority, and get out've here or I'm calling the police and saying you abused me, suing you, and divorcing you"... He'd have smiled, cracked me over the head with a baseball bat, and picked me up by the back of my shirt, and pants and launched me thru the third story window.... and than dropped a dime on me saying "This is for the call to the cops"...   Kid's today are fearless, adults have to be careful of everything they say,  and what babysits for some of these kids in todays Technocratic world, with computers, and arcade games ?  Both parents work, the kids get no attention, no family board games like monopoly anymore, parents aren't often home, double income situations,, so point and shoot mall arcade games, TV shows, and other means of detaching with reality and depersonalizing displace important principles a kid needs by having parents around.. School teachers aren't parents...  SOME kids just aren't getting attention they need...Some of the laws today supposedly protecting children against the very rare abuse situation in many cases, actually hurts the child... Child get's almost no attention in too many cases.... Has to bring himself up (at least around here).. young kids are left alone for days with a 12 year old watching them, just assuming because the neighbors are close by they could call a neighbor, are walk next door in the event of a prob... People don't pay babysitters around here to watch their kids when the kid's are under 12 or 13.. Single moms on occassion take off for a few days leave the kids alone..

If the 1970's was today,  I'd never have done homework, never have gone to school, blown up more with the M-80's and ashcans I was fascinated with as a Jr High kid, shot out more window's with my BB gun than just the neighbors that pissed me off...and called the cops on my folks loads of times.... Kid's have too much chance at manipulating todays foolish laws in essence telling parents they can't parent..  Even in animal species when a young animal get's out've line, goes against the social structure, or puts itself at risk...the parents picks the thing up by the scruff of the neck, and carries it back.. today someone would say,  The father was using excessive force pulling that poor kid around.... even though the kid was resisting, and the one pulling and throwing a tantrum...  WHile I know abuse is always wrong,  spanking is NOT always abuse !  Kid's can't handle some of the right'
s taken away from parents today in our absurd PC culture....

JMO....


(can someone proof read that, and correct it for me,  I'm too tired to reread what I just typed, long long busy day)

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Being civilized, I think, means having the propensity for both good and bad and using both at the appropriate times.

We haven't evolved beyound violence. Some people actually think we have, to them I need to say "Wake-up and smell the coffee."

What helps me these days is remembering a lyric from Keeping the Faith by Billy Joel, "The good old days weren't always good and tomorrow aint as bad as it seems."

EDIT: In some cultures, good and bad are remembered in their way of life. To deal with it they choose to accept that both are there rather than ignoring it and hoping it goes away.

I am neither overweight or a smoker.  That said, overweight people do nothing to endanger the health of others.  Smokers do.  Simple as that.  Can anyone (logically) argue that point?

Overweight people often have poor eating habits. They pas these habits on to their children.

Breakfast cereal is really big these days.

I don't want to argue, but a fat chick stepped on my foot once....I was on crutches for a week.

Besides that, we will all die of something....No one dies healthy of natural causes.

....And NO ONE can convince me that second hand smoke is more dangerous than sucking it directly into your face from a cig.

....And most of the screaming/complaining liberals who promote anti-smoking laws are potheads....or were potheads....and they think weed is ok to smoke.

Chuck, I find it really strange, that in the study they mention "work commutes", while failing to mention kid's growing up with few, or just a general lack of social activities, quality time with parents WHILE  parents are at home, and face-to-face activity, even just talking about important issues...Today how much of a decrease is there in kids contact games in front yards such as baseball, football, playing tag, boxball, what do kids do instead ? They isolate themselves and sit in a room alone with a computer, and their active imaginations, and needs that get shelved while they are distracted doing something else with their energy.. Yet who spots the troubled kids, when they don't talk, they play isolated and online ?  You can't spot them, you have no way to gauge if a child is having social probs by the way they personally interact, if the kid is playing a virtual game alone during his/her free time...HOWEVER, in past-times there were the sports activities, hobbies with OTHER people in real, real social interaction, and not a virtual gaming obsessions, or the internet displacing personal contact/interacting. ... Even prior to home PC, it was still Nintendo or Sega, Prior to that time, even, kid's under 10 were living at a nearby mall arcade playing point and shoot games on larger screens with nice surround sounds and noises when they hurt "the bad guy"...THAT was their babysitter !!!! The contact they had with adults were neighboring drivers that dropped them off to play in a virtual arcade; This doesn't pertain to ALL kids of course, yet it does pertain to a percentage that would be more asocial today, or those that DO get into trouble some of the time... Activies are MUCH less personal today, and they don't deal with real psychological aspects of a childs needs like the old days. TOday's activities just serve to distract a person of what may be bothering them... Heck,  that's why I'm here ! So can you imagine kids that have issues, and instead of talking out their rage...Going to a virtual game area, and if they have impotent rage, or harbored anger, killing a oerson pretending it's their classmate they don't like ? while NEVER having anyone to chat with about it, because they don't even know that's an option ??? ....It's not the "Fathers commute", but the quality of the time they are together with the spouse, children, and family, or LACK of that.. Parents often DID have to commute distances in the 50's and 60's, but there'd still be family time together, or someone watching the kids pretty closely making sure that SOMEHOW their needs were met, (at least the best way they knew how) as opposed to needs and concerns swept under a carpet, and masket by virtual activities and impersonal play... Lack of the family sitting down and playing a game such as Scrabble, Monopoly, cards, and MOST important of all... Why is it a surprise to ANYONE that a person's best friend today is often a Monitor and computer ?  The cyber era makes people more despensible, and cultivates a more superficial impersonal process... I don't believe that you can form a several year bond with someone you've never met, have never seen, have never even spoken to live, and compare that to the intensity of a childhood friend you visited and did things with frequently, played basketball with once a week, sat next too, and personally shared heart to heart chats with...We live in a technological world where our friends can at anytime wonder off someplace never to be seen again.. Some die, we never find out.. Other's don't exist at all... They are fabricated personalities, and creative writing, or imaginary fantasy characters that are just a figment of someones imagination...

Is it any wonder some kid's are more depersonalized today ?

This is MY feeling,  not any research study I've read to formulate an opinion with..

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I agree with that opinion Kappy.

I grew up when Dads worked and Moms stayed home.....The whole neighborhood was my daytime family where I had a dozen moms cause us kids roamed from yard to yard and played safely in sight of at least one of them at all times...and all the moms got together thru the day to drink coffee and share household tricks and parenting skills....Recepies, canning advice, gossip, and fersure told on us and bragged on us.....I was so very lucky to have so many moms and so many friends my age.

Today's kids don't have that...It's gone....and they are no longer safe in their hoods...or even in their own homes now that parents change partners so often.

What did *I* miss that you said chuck ?  You can PM me..  Curious just regarding the basic idea of what I missed.

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Yep.  those were the days,  friends in their 50's, roaming home to home ISO Mom's in their 20's & 30's !  I'm getting there !!!!

Here,  I'm going to practice, tell me how I do...


"WOOF"...



(good, eh?)    

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Sorry Kappy, I don't remember what was in the post that I deleted. I didn't mean to delete the whole post.

It looks like I've done that on a few posts. Dangit!

You folks are pretty cool. I have always felt welcome here. I will still recomend this site to my friends too. I have only gotten one referral but there may be more in the future.

Chuck

Yeah,  most of you folks I consider friends.. What I tell people, and similarly what I'm told via PM, doesn't leave the PM, or ever filter into "forum area", unless I make a gross mistake which I don't think has happened as of yet... PM's also get deleted afterwards, I seldom save PM's..  It's only the trash unsolicited PM that I'd ever display in public..

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That's a good plan.