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WHY DO IT AT ALL.     If you don't ever want to hear anything bad about it, don't do it.    We deal with crybabies every night at karaoke.   Everyone thinks they are the best.     If your intention is to be dicovered, it won't happen here.   You need to submit your work to professionals that have half of a chance to help you.    If it's for fun, then you don't need the critisim, that you can't handle in the first place.

That brings us to the next item.     [highlight=crimson]Who is[/highlight] qualified to offer any valid critique?

Are there any professional record producers or singers, that are famous, on here to critique any performance?

I heard an old interveiw with Simon.   The reason Simon does what he does is, he owns a record label.   He's looking for talent to make money for him.

Steve, You couldn't have said that better!

In some ways, ANYBODY can offer a critique.  Like all arts, it is a subjective expression--everyone is affected differently by what they see, feel, and hear.  This is always a touchy situation for the person being criticized (whether positively or negatively) is never sure who has the definitive take on the deal!

Then again, American Idol is a case in point.  Perhaps if it were judged by people with a more critical ear, the right person might have won this year.

I believe AI has been fixed since the second season.  

Seems odd that the first year they raise the age limit, the oldest guy wins.

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Remember what I just told you about Simon.     HE owns the record label, they get a contract with.     DAAAHHHH

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Had to Edit Again - I'm such a noob!!

I'm just going to let this one go...probably for the best...

ok so I have been avoiding this topic...  :fright: hehehe...but I figured it was time I put in my 2 cents worth.

This is what I think about critique for songs.  First of all...I think that if you TRULY want an honest opinion about your singing and/or mix you will privately ask someone whose singing/mixing you admire for their honest opinion...this is what I do.  I know I'm not the greatest and never will be...but I DO enjoy singing and would like to be the best that I can be.  So I have a few friends who are awesome at singing and mixing and I am not shy about emailing songs to them and saying, "hey...what do you think of this and where can I improve?"  Because I know that they will be supportive...but also honest and helpful at the same time.

Now I'm NOT saying that subbing a song for critique is a complete waste of time...there are a few folks who will point out things that can be improved...

What I DO think is wrong with the ranking system is that the score you give should be SHOWN in your comment...for two reasons.  1)  It will stop folks from dumping people's songs they don't like.  2)  If you really give an honest critique this would be helpful both to you and the singer...say I ranked someone 8...they could go and listen to me and say "hey she's good...I should take her advice" or "geeze...she stinks I ain't listening to a word she says"  LOL

Just my opinion...

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In my opinion it's all about having fun.....there are some really awesome singers on the site, and there are some singers who are working hard to improve.....I think everyone knows where they personally rank as a vocalist so who needs someone else on the site pointing out anothers personal flaws in a comment?....If someone truly needs that kind of feedback, then they should ask for it privately like Tammy (above) said....If they want to take it a step further, they should seek out professional vocal lessons who can help them improve....Personally,  I'm not into negative remarks at all or putting down someone elses singing....What I am into is supporting those who I have become friends with on SS and sharing something that we all love and have a common interest in....singing

 Well said Kev...

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[glow=violet] **Sing like nobody's listening...live like there's no tomorrow**[/glow]

I'm thinking that the "J" and "C" system works for the most part.  The actual numerical ranking probably isn't all that accurate and meaningful though.  Now if you want the "J" category, "Just For Fun", the praise that you get may not be all that realistic.  But it doesn't really matter anyway, it's just for fun.  The listener is recognizing the person's effort and the fun they had doing it.  Harsh and extremely picky remarks should be taken with a grain of salt too.  Once again, it's just for fun.  The singer probably knows his vocal wasn't a 100% perfect anyway.

If you do want the "C" critique category, then hunting season is open so to speak. You may get an occasional rude or overly critical comment, but they better be able to pin point the problem and support their case.  Otherwise I don't think their comment is valid.  But a good reviewer will list the positive points and any negatives. If you're after a critique, I'd be leary of a completely glowing or condemning review.  I don't think any performance is 100% plus or minus.

The fun and pleasure of singing should come first.  If you don't have that, why bother?  :)

my favorite compliment to give people who were just not intended to sing (we all know them) is to tell them how much i like the song. they go away happy and i have been honest. i had a couple of tone-deaf singers when i ran a show--i was not going to take away their fun just because ther best work was still...okay, i will say it...awful. someone who is hovering on the edge of a fine performance, who will know what i am taking about if i provide pointers, i might give specific advice (breathing, reaching for high notes, etc.). then again, the only thing that qualifies me to critique is the fact they asked me for my opinion.

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I gotta say I agree with Kevin...when I first came here, I would put my songs up for rank, but it was just to experience it. However, when I went around and listened more and more, other than a handful, most of the best singers were putting their songs up "just for fun". Surprisingly enough, I'm a classically trained muscian and if I hadn't been such a dumba$$, really could have gone far. However my singing has never been a strong point for me - basically limited to sight singing courses in college. I know what I sound like - good? not really...entertaining? most definitely . I just go out of my way to post songs that are very rarely heard and that most are too smart to sub...and that I have a blast singing them. To me its all about fun...If I had taken it serious, I would have followed through on my acceptance to Berklee College of Music instead of sticking closer to home.

As far as critique goes, I feel if you are going to rank someone and give them less than a 10, you should at least have the decency to tell them why. I had someone do that to me before, they gave me a 9, but then they explained exactly why they did. I really appreciated it. However, I also had someone give me an 8 just because "the song didn't work for them." No explanation, which was rather bizarre. Anyway, I feel its misleading to rave about a person's song then turn around and give them a 9 or less. If you feel they deserve a 9, tell them why...I think thats where most have the biggest complaint - it leaves way too much up in the air and is rather confusing. If the rank given were visible, then they'd have to explain themselves.

Just my ever rambling thoughts...

I received a partial scholarship to Berklee but my parents wouldn't let me go At the time it was only a 2 year non-accredited school, and they refused to pay if I went to a "rock" school. I got into Eastman, but didn't want to be that far, got a scholarship to Hartt but didn't want to be that close . I was feeling too contemptuous towards the rigidity of straight classical music during that time, and didn't dream of applying to a conservatory, figuring I'd be miserable, and flunk out..
The folks had different plans for me.  They wanted me to be a brain surgeon, or rocket scientist.  Even though I majored in very different areas, I suppose I must've somehow attained such status regardless of having received those deploma's.  People refer to me as a "real rocket scientist" all the time, anyway

In retrospect, I'd have waited a few years, and escaped to GIT in California, or even Berklee, which VERY shortly afterwards received accredation as a 4 year school.  I didn't want to go to school when I did.... I'd rather been allowed to stay home and drink my parents alcohol, smoke pot & Hash out back all day, and sit in my room with the door locked watching my tropical fish.  I always excelled in that type area anyway.

Even when I was 6, I was really bored reading music.  I felt that was just two-dimensional and not about what being a "Musician" really is.. Always felt it's not much different than the artist just painting by numbers. Of course I felt that way about school in general,  that it's just for wannabes.  I never could understand why a person bothers going to school.  It just serves as another area of clutter that prevents many from knowing what they want to be when they grow up

I liked the concept of trade schools, or apprenticeships

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Steve well I was known for my "lack of follow through" so my parents insisted I do my first year at a college closer to home...this one was only about 3.5 hours away. However my instrument of choice was bari sax - and I played it with the same agility most could play an alto or tenor sax. I wasn't there 2 months when I was moved to the top above the other 3 bari sax players and was actually out on promotional tours for the school's music department - the only freshman ever to be invited - at that time anyway. One of the joys of playing an instrument that was rather rare . Funny enough, I got bored - I was at the top and there was no place else to go, in my mind anyway, so I just quit putting any effort into it. Of course there is no going back, but I did start taking piano lessons again and, why...I'll never know, more theory...eeeeeeeekk!! I'm actually pretty fascinated with that aspect of music. I also just bought a tenor sax and flute and am relearning to play them just for kicks.

  You OWNED a bari-sax when you were in HighSchool ? DAMN,  those have ALWAYS been VERY expensive !!!   Don't tell me you owned a Selmer  :shock:
Although didn't "Conn" also make them back in the earlier days ?




OK, let me guess,  you are 9 feet tall, have lungs the size of an average swimming pool, fingers about 3 feet in length, AND money,  am I close ???

How could you have had the lung capacity and size to play bari with the same agility as a sop or alto ?

This is almost as bizarre as when Lisa Sharken (editor of GP magazine) was telling me  how she was under 100 lbs, under 5 feet and carried her Fender Twin reverb up and down the steps of her Jr high School bus alone without probs. (wait, she's currently under 5 feet, and 1oo lbs) This was when she was smaller, and abit more frail.

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no I did NOT own a bari sax...however the school bought a brand new one for our music department and I got to test drive them and pick the one I wanted. I don't even remember what brand it was, but it had a huge bell - came right back up the sax almost to the mouthpiece. Ok here is the funny part - I'm only 5'2" . I had to sit in a higher chair just to clear the ground!! My fingers are long and narrow but hey I could also type 80 wpm on the old electric typewriters and also played piano and spinet organ...so the speed and dexterity were just there!! Craziest thing we ever did...for a solo/ensemble festival, a friend of mine played E-flat clarinet (the really small high pitched one) and I played bari sax. I took the top line, she took the bottom and we did a killer duet. Got first place across the board...the judges were stunned that it would even work, but it sounded kewl. We took first at both regional and state levels. I also played contrabass clarinet - that big chrome thing that looks like alien plumbing...I was in a few clarinet quintets for contests and concerts. It was pretty kewl...I did independent study for 2 years in high school so that I could learn to play more instruments...I covered a lot of them...but most not very well .