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John Lennon song trivia questions:
In the song "Remember" off of his first solo album what event happened on the 5th of Novemeber?
Which early solo album song was extremely critical of Paul's songwriting and lifestyle?
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:07 am |
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Which ever the album was with Yoko Ono.. She had caused probs for those two as I recall, Was that "the plastic ono band" or something like that ? Don't recall..
November 5th isn't anything I recall.... Must be obscure to many.
I wasn't into the Ono/Lennon stuff to be honest. Was never my cup of tea.. WAY back around 71
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McCartney and Harrison were the two Beatles that interested me the most musically. Especially "All Things Must Pass". That was a gorgeous Album... Beware Of Darkness is a pretty song. Speaking ot Tear jerkers...heh
Don, It's sort've interesting. I think the small age gap between us makes a difference in those who really adored Lennon, vs those of us who didn't really find his "pacifist" phase quite as profound, granted he has a HUGE fan base of all ages, yet I think I was abit too young during that period to appreciate alot of what he stood for, and the late 60's period. Seems that those slightly older than me really were profoundly touched by Lennon. Just that short margin between us age-wise, seems to make the difference between adoring Lennon, and not quite appreciating what was happening during that time, politically etc. I was on the tail end of lashing out at Nixon in effigy for Vietnam, etc.. Was too young to go to Woodstock, and the Hippy movement wasn't really known by my age-group, Yet the Graduating HS class the year before mine had loads of Overdoses, The ambulance was at our HS at least twice per week, carrying someon off for Quaalude, smack, or LSD related stuff....sure we lived thru it, yet "flower" children, LSD-25 (not acid of course, that remained huge throughout the 70's in my area) and the Woodstock age-group were those just one year+ older, many I knew, and ended up in bands with, yet you folks were the "older folks" that had a slightly different Political understanding. Your age bracket was getting into the margin that was more affected by Vietnam, and can relate to the Seals and Crofts, Ruby Jean, and BIlly Lee. Loggin's and MEssina "Golden Ribbons" period... Even the dress was different between the classes of 1972-1974.. I got my selective service card the year the draft ended... ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) , I was number 6 on the lottery
Senior's in HS were wearing Dashiki's, and Kurta's.... Alot more jewelry, and alot of denim, the leisure suits were dying out by my time somewhat....
We played Loggin's and Messina though.. THe song is beautiful melodically... That was a tough period, HUGE ballads were written around that period. Too bad the 70's were reallty the end of the great ballad ! and duo's like L&M, S&C, S&G, etc..
"And sweethearts and wives alone with their memories, and golden ribbon's those fortunes of war ..."
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Steven Kaplan @ Tue May 02, 2006 6:07 am wrote: Which ever the album was with Yoko Ono.. She had caused probs for those two as I recall, Was that "the plastic ono band" or something like that ? Don't recall..
November 5th isn't anything I recall.... Must be obscure to many.
I wasn't into the Ono/Lennon stuff to be honest. Was never my cup of tea.. WAY back around 71
The song that was critical of Paul was How Do You Sleep from the Imagine album.
Remember is from the first solo album called plastic Ono Band. Yoko wasn't on it at all -- just Ringo on drums and Klaus Voorman (sp?) on bass and John.
The 5th of November is Guy Fawkes day in England. In the 1600's, Fawkes wanted to blow up Parliament.
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Steven Kaplan @ Tue May 02, 2006 6:12 am wrote: McCartney and Harrison were the two Beatles that interested me the most musically. Especially "All Things Must Pass". That was a gorgeous Album... Beware Of Darkness is a pretty song. Speaking ot Tear jerkers...heh Don, It's sort've interesting. I think the small age gap between us makes a difference in those who really adored Lennon, vs those of us who didn't really find his "pacifist" phase quite as profound, granted he has a HUGE fan base of all ages, yet I think I was abit too young during that period to appreciate alot of what he stood for, and the late 60's period. Seems that those slightly older than me really were profoundly touched by Lennon. Just that short margin between us age-wise, seems to make the difference between adoring Lennon, and not quite appreciating what was happening during that time, politically etc. I was on the tail end of lashing out at Nixon in effigy for Vietnam, etc.. Was too young to go to Woodstock, and the Hippy movement wasn't really known by my age-group, Yet the Graduating HS class the year before mine had loads of Overdoses, The ambulance was at our HS at least twice per week, carrying someon off for Quaalude, smack, or LSD related stuff....sure we lived thru it, yet "flower" children, LSD-25 (not acid of course, that remained huge throughout the 70's in my area) and the Woodstock age-group were those just one year+ older, many I knew, and ended up in bands with, yet you folks were the "older folks" that had a slightly different Political understanding. Your age bracket was getting into the margin that was more affected by Vietnam, and can relate to the Seals and Crofts, Ruby Jean, and BIlly Lee. Loggin's and MEssina "Golden Ribbons" period... Even the dress was different between the classes of 1972-1974.. I got my selective service card the year the draft ended... ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) , I was number 6 on the lottery Senior's in HS were wearing Dashiki's, and Kurta's.... Alot more jewelry, and alot of denim, the leisure suits were dying out by my time somewhat.... We played Loggin's and Messina though.. THe song is beautiful melodically... That was a tough period, HUGE ballads were written around that period. Too bad the 70's were reallty the end of the great ballad ! and duo's like L&M, S&C, S&G, etc.. "And sweethearts and wives alone with their memories, and golden ribbon's those fortunes of war ..."
You're making some really good observations. Culturally things were changing very fast from the mid-60's through the '70s. A couple years made a big difference. I was just on the tail end and just old enough to appreciate what happened in the '60s.
Also, a lot of my close friends and people I played music with were from the class of '69 and '70. I never did take any drugs, not even pot, but I was around it quite a bit. The type and quality of drugs in the '70s became a lot nastier and stronger as I understand it. Much easier to get addicted to the type of drugs. I liked all the musicians that you're mentioning too. I liked the duos and singer/songwriters that
popped up all over the place in the 70's. You didn't have "sensitive", for lack of a better word, songwriting that much before or after really. Just good melodies, chord patterns and lyrics. I heard Jim Croce's "Operator". That song and "Time In A Bottle" have some intricate acoustic guitar picking. Croce and his lead player (can't think of his name) had their parts well planned out and performed. Jim Croce's uptempo stuff didn't impress me that much, bud his ballads were great. Yep, music in the 60's and 70's covered a wide spectrum and I liked most of it!
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:37 pm |
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Quote: The type and quality of drugs in the '70s became a lot nastier and stronger as I understand it. Much easier to get addicted to the type of drugs. I liked all the musicians that you're mentioning too. I liked the duos and singer/songwriters that popped up all over the place in the 70's. You didn't have "sensitive", for lack of a better word, songwriting that much before or after really. Just good melodies, chord patterns and lyrics. I heard Jim Croce's "Operator". That song and "Time In A Bottle" have some intricate acoustic guitar picking. Croce and his lead player (can't think of his name) had their parts well planned out and performed. Jim Croce's uptempo stuff didn't impress me that much, bud his ballads were great. Yep, music in the 60's and 70's covered a wide spectrum and I liked most of it!
The danger was that shortly after these drugs hit the streets, people started "lacing" and "cutting" them, so you never knew just what you had. People were smoking nasty things such as :embalming fluid: when they tried Angel dust. (Which was often laced into pot). In fact we never knew what we were getting when we were told we were smoking "Hash Oil"...What was usually a really mellow high for me... (Pot alone NEVER was, I was always super sensitive to THC, and needed alcohol to calm me down when I smoked) While Thai Stick, and Red and Blonde leb, even hash oil were pretty safe up until a period (the short time available), people started cutting this stuff, and ripping off the buyer... Columbian, and Jamaican pot were shooting way up in price, and noone even knew what they were smoking when they were told "Homegrown".. People hadn't a clue what they were putting into their system when they "dropped acid", they never knew the content, they just ingested it. Around early 1970's there was a huge "Dosing" phase. You didn't dare get up from your seat in the cafeteria and take your eye's off've your food. I'm quite sure something was dropped in my beer around 1972.. All I recall was smoking some pot, and drinking beer at a jam session, and I ended up going thru 2-3 days of terror, and sensory distortion.. I never knowingly ingested any hallucinogen for fear of the "bad trip".. Which was something I was prone to even sober ![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif) ..
I think around the 60's thru much of the 1970's Don, The well written ballad both in terms of lyrics and musical comp. as well as vocal harmony were at their best. Those were the days of the "Profound" message.
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Wow! It's weird, I always thought that LSD would be an "interesting, profound" experience at the least. But I know my brain couldn't handle it. Heck, I can get freaked out a bit if I feel a little dizzy from standing up to fast!
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:30 pm |
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I suppose people such as myself "Type A" personality. Shouldn't mess with something like that. Especially since I'm pretty high-strung. They can't shoot you down with Thorazine when you are having a bad trip. The stuff runs it's course regardless. That's what made me aware that I'd be F____'d. As a result of what I saw around me, and knowing how I am. I stayed AS FAR from the hallucinogen's as possible. Never tried "shrooms" Psilicyben, windowpane, purplehaze (those were more common around your earlier time period in my geography) or any form of "blotter"... Turned out ten years later a rumor circulated from CT about a substance called "tattoo". Originated around Danbury Hospital here in CT... That kid's were in danger because a highly absorbable substance usually sold around playgrounds would get them hooked, and harm them. Rohypnol (knockout) and these other date rape drugs didn't exist when I was in school... I guess they made their way up north from Mexico a few years later, into the 80's..
In a way, It would've been nice to go to a bar, sit down next to an attractive female, and drop some of that stuff into my own beer. I can be so shy. I think the mind produces that stuff anyway naturally when we hit around 50 :(
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Out of all the bands you played in over the years, which one did you like the best and why?
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:31 am |
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I would've loved to have done more with L. West. Just wasn't meant to be.. Outside of that Don, I don't know. There were too many, covering too many styles. Also being a "switch hitter" instrumentalist I suppose it depends on what instrument. I just don't know.. I enjoyed most of the cover bands I was in. I hated the life-style when we got going. Sitting in with Phil Keaggy when he was in Western NY was also alot of fun (Glass Harp days when his bass player was messed up), but he was getting into his Christianity during that period in the 70's, and hated hard rock. I couldn't have hung in with him playing "Christian" music. Talk about LOUD... My ears felt like they had that film over them, and were deadened for hours after I'd stand in front of his Marshall Stacks. One of the NY guitarists I was with was amazing. Doug Roselle. Guy was 24 and if he was easier to get along with, and didn't have such an ego, would've likely stayed with Dickie Betts. Yet as someone backing him, the music was excellent. Just a fabulous cover guitarist who was fast as lightening.. Covered alot of Alvin Lee stuff. We went right thru "A space in Time"...I liked that stuff... Another guitarist "Kevin Keefe" was Phenominal too, we did Wishbone Ash stuff, Uriah Heep..It wasn't easy.... He ended up with the band "Jet" in Boston. I enjoyed those two as musicians.... Anything that was tight, and well covered I liked..
Incidently, VERY FEW of these musicians, with the exception of Keaggy were easy or fun to "get along" with personally.
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Hey Don, Do you like Tommy Castro ?
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Steven Kaplan @ Wed May 03, 2006 6:46 am wrote: Hey Don, Do you like Tommy Castro ?
Frankly, I'm not up tp speed on a lot of contemporary national blues bands.
Anything in particular that you'd recommend listening too?
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Not really. I'm not current on them either. I only first heard of him about 5 years ago. Amazing guitarist and vocalist. Just amazing how much talent is out there.
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I just at times stumble into the P2P areas and do a search for "Blues" "Jazz" etc. Just to see what's out there. Ocassionally I discover someone I like and go out and buy the album.. I always love discovering new stuff I never knew existed.
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Didn't Prince produce Sheila E ? She pretty much owes her success to him as I recall. I don't think her work in Azteca with her father would've gotten her too far. Not sure though.
Regarding Maureen Tucker, Was the John Cale that played with Velvet Underground J.J. Cale ? or no ?
I'm going to move this over to my music thread Don. I don't want to take space on Eben's thread about this...
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Sure, Prince brought her to the public's attention. But she had the talent.
John Cale was in the earliest version of VU. He played on the "Banana Peel" albumVelvet underground w/ Nico and the White Light White Heat album. He and Lou argued a lot and Cale ended up quitting. Cale and Reed to a tribute CD for Andy Warhol around 1990 called Songs For Drella. I've got that one too. Pretty interesting.
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I was down in my storage area today. Came upstairs with a Thorens TD-124 TT in cosmetically excellent condition. It works, as I recall one of the channel output's might not've worked, yet I don't recall. These were nice Turntables. I think this was manufactured around '57. Solid. Also the original owner who I bought this from, (same guy I bought the Scott 222-D integrated amp from, Scott Receiver, and Heathkit tube AM receiver as well as IE-sub-mini speakers from; all for $75 in excellent working order) did some tone arm modification on this, It has some fancy Grado mod from Elpa Industries in NY.... I dunno. These are nice toy's that although not totally practical, I'd be a dumb$**t to rid myself of this stuff. Just wish I was more technically inclined to repair this stuff myself. I don't know who I'd get to do restoration on some of these components. Incidently this is the woman who's husband I was friends with. The guy passed away. I wanted to give her more for alot of this stuff but she wouldn't take it. Yet I also realized if I didn't take these, she'd likely end up giving them to someone just for taking them out've her basement and helping her move.. So I couldn't be totally stupid.. Also have some nice old machine shop tools. The guy worked for New England Lock, and I have some padlocks that look like they were constructed before Fred Flinstone was born. Ancient, and some others are quite intricate. Good I love collecting stuff.... Nicest part is that the folks can't trash this stuff like they did my comic's and baseball cards from the 60's when I went off to school.
(I'm here on the computer, and if the little elves try to sneak in, and steal my toys, the motion detector, or door alarm will catch them !)
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Hey Don, Is it just me, or might the sound of standard radio broadcasts on this Scott tube amp blow away my Denon 3600 DTS receiver. The Denon really blows throw JBL's, compared to this Scott 222-D cheaper int amp going thru only two JBL control 1-C speakers (set at 4 ohms)
Sort've like my Ampeg B-25B head. I swear it blows away my Trace Elliot head. Are tube heads THAT much better sounding for classic styles ? I've yet to find tranny that can do warm tube.. Bass or guitar. Give the spatial effect.
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Here's the latest Don. The front left channel on my Dennon DTS 3600 is shot, (meaning it's intermittent) I have a fan on the vents because when the channel warms up it cuts out completely. Not sure what it is, but I had a little explosion a few years ago ![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif) ... Rear speaker wires arc'd on very high volume, and naturally being the honest guy I am, the amp went back to Denon since I didn't have a clue how it could've happened ![no :no:](./images/smilies/emot-shakehead.gif) They sort've knew, but a few months after the amp came back from New Hampshire repair facility, the front left channel started cutting out. I've swapped speakers, and when I do-so, the right front main will cut out...So it's not the speaker or the wire...
Not sure if I can use the secondary fronts instead... haven't tried it, yet I don't know if that'd be more of the same...
Point of all this is, at this point I don't know if I want to spend another 1K for an amp that's going to sound like this, and have the same crap happen when the old smaller tube stuff sounds so good. I'm wondering if I should just scrap this, and go with a McIntosh stereo receiver, and that's it.... These 6 speaker rigs don't get the separation the older tube rigs get with just two speakers. Seems rediculous, and just gimmicky. 6 speakers can't even do what a decent shape tube head can do with two...IMHO..
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Steven Kaplan @ Fri May 05, 2006 7:25 pm wrote: Hey Don, Is it just me, or might the sound of standard radio broadcasts on this Scott tube amp blow away my Denon 3600 DTS receiver. The Denon really blows throw JBL's, compared to this Scott 222-D cheaper int amp going thru only two JBL control 1-C speakers (set at 4 ohms)
Sort've like my Ampeg B-25B head. I swear it blows away my Trace Elliot head. Are tube heads THAT much better sounding for classic styles ? I've yet to find tranny that can do warm tube.. Bass or guitar. Give the spatial effect.
I've never had the money to get into high-end audio. But a well designed adequately
powered tube anything will sound better then solid state anything. It just became cheaper and easier for companies to put out higher powered solid state equipment.
But there's just something about electrons traveling between a tube anode and cathode that sounds warmer. Tube harmonics sound better too.
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