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Don,   My guess is that many of us fear another person stealing from us, and exploiting something we all have FAR more interest in than our money... That's our heart.... Alot our age, are pretty afraid of being really (@$%&#!) over....  That's just my guess.... It's not hard to pick out your ideal house, car, etc.... but relationships involve a degree of dependence....and vulnerability.... and NOONE wants to suffer heartache....Physical pain is easy in comparison...  I suck at suffering emotional pain,  I really don't know how to do it...

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Keith,  here's an idea for direction...serious question, I think you even answered it..

Does Donna know that had she been there this morning, and left on normal type terms...she wouldn't have had this much of an affect on you ?   Assuming she's there for you, and loyal on your terms, would you want her ?   If you told her "stay, don't go"  assuming you were up when she was leaving... Would she have lost interest in you ?

This relationship thrives on you two being free....You know that...  Why did what happened this morning have such a profound affect on you... This is what YOU BOTH want.... or don't you...  Do you want her back ?  or do you want to be free ?  What do you want from her ?  You have to ask yourself this..


Incidently,  one of these days Keith,  She likely won't come back,  you know this can't last forever... Not as it currently exists... It either comes together, or you two go your own way in time....but the thing is, you stated;

"as long as I play hard to get, she's there for me"..

and it works the other way around.... She got "one up" doing her thing this morning and running out..

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Good question.

I guess the best answer is I want her on a shelf ready for when I need/want her.

But before you scream, that's exactly how she used me last night.

I'm willing to compromise, tho...I got room for two shelves here....One for me, and one for her.

Steven, if you had ever seen her butt you would know why I miss her....Did i send you pics of her butt yet?

No,  Just the flooring..  I did see the blinds, and peach valance however... but never saw that nice flooring that girl was blocking from a different angle in that other room


Probably rainy day,  you're abit worn down, Robbie isn't around, it's rainy, saturday.  Yeah,  easy to get depressed I suppose... You aren't used to not having Robbie around..  It's quiet there

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Ok. ok...I owe you some butt pics...

Do you like them with or without thongs? I've got one of her touching her toes if you want.

Yeah,  problem is.... One of you likely will stop needing the other on a shelf down the road.. She's likely going to want to marry again.  That might mean you don't see her for a few months so get used to it..

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Nah,  I've always found thongs to be in the way,  too uncomfortable...

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OK.  time to place wagers


1-   This thread will go over 1000 posts
2-   This thread AINT gonna last anywhere near Billy's threads life..

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Funny you should mention it....This gal would sneak to see me when I was shacking with the third wife...She would call me and then sneak over to visit and then leave just before the almost third wife came home from work....So let her get married, it might make it better for me......Hey, you got me thinking-maybe i should get married again if I want to see more of her.

So I take it you already have the thong pics?....did I send you the ones where she ties herself in a knot?

Keith,  one of these nights,  You, Karyoker, Don, me, and anyone else who's abit mature should head over to the dance club I sent you....  We all could watch, and even talk to one-another at the club,  it's quite interactive !

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ok, here's my single guy cullinary tip - get an electric steamer.  You can do some great meals that are proper food but take no preparation work in one of those.

For example - take some small new potatoes, cut them into slices or wedges, just something small so they cook quickly and put them in the steamer.  Then add some vegetables - carrots, broccoli, parsnips, baby corn etc.  Then some meat or fish etc.  Chicken breast fillets work great, as does most fish.  Even things you wouldn't expect to be able to steam like pork work ok.

Turn the steamer on for about half an hour and forget about it, although you may need to empty the drip tray so it doesn't overflow.

Don,  Playing an energized form of music,  (but I have to admit I was younger than either of us are now when I ran into probs and eventually had to stop more than 6 years younger in fact.) served as distraction enough, although there is always some natural "stage-freight",  I suspect for some reason I just felt VERY confident that nothing could happen in a rock/funk venue, that people haven't been exposed to many times over... It's generally a less formal type of music (IMHO),(or-so it felt to me) and if Clapton got away with collapsing on stage in the early 70's, and artists were so damn blown out in our genre of music, or just so high on substances that they managed to alienate their whole audience...I just felt almost anything goes among rockers.... It's the perfect art for we quirky type folk....So what if we have to put a guitar down, and run to the door because were hyperventillating and feel like we're going to choke....In rock that's just another definition of "The guitarists sensitive side"....Easy way to handle that would be turn it into comic relief....just turn to the drummer, and say in the microphone...."Here it goes again, but I wouldn't expect you to understand,  it's a musician thing"..... .. I always used a LONG guitar cord, or wireless that enabled me to walk around and burn off adrenaline that way, or even wander some place while playing and hide if I needed to...Just knowing I could hide, made me feel better... but most of the time, I really got into the music, and that served as sort've "here and now" distraction bringing me out've the fantasy "what if" world of my head.....and into the present, which is something that helps anticipatory anxiety... When I was stuck in a violin section on-stage, I FREAKED !  STILL WOULD... you are really stuck there with lights on you....THAT'S when I felt I couldn't get up.....a reason I switched to string bass.......It was better standing over near a stage wing.. Yet I'll tell you, playing some of the slow boring stuff like Eagles  "Best of my love"  "Desparado", gave me ALOT of time to start wandering off into some boring and dangerous place in my head....I found some of the slow depressing love ballads of the early-mid-70's were tough to endure, or any stuff I didn't particular have fun playing could start the "What ifs", and the depressing stuff could bring me back to places that weren't "safe places" in my head..

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Keith ~ I wasn't refering to your situation.  I was just posing a general question.

Yet believe me,  I do understand EXACTLY what you are saying,  I just felt with ROCK music, I was safe from that,  same with jazz,  energetic forms that I can incorporate to burn off adrenaline fortuneately.  such wasn't the case in solo performing, classical music, and even certain types of piano accompaniment during a VERY tough song...I'd freeze ALOT... We all do...It's just a matter of either not having gotten to a point where anxiety has started it's paralysis via phobic avoidance.... Or somehow, it can be transcended.  Obviously for me, such wasn't the case,  my head got the best of me,  still to this day does !

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Steven ~ Interesting, a lot of times I would have problems on slow songs that followed a real uptempo song.  The nervous system is still in high gear from the fast tune then you have to come to a screeching halt almost on the slow song.  That's when I would often start feeling the weirdest.  Now were you ever bugged by playing in over-heated rooms like in the summertime with no AC?  I sure did.  Things could really get bad then.  Or doing outside gigs in the hot sun.  Gawd, I sound like a whimp, but the heat really could get to me and jack up the anxiety level.

Since I played bass, I always felt like the bass player just could not stop playing.
That would seemingly leave too much of a hole between the lead instruments and the drummer.  So I felt obligated to keep going and not ever leave the stage.

Exactly done,  the adrenaline is pumping, and not only that.. were you a vocalist ?  If-so some hyperventillation might be involved.... stages and lighthing is notorious for counter-indicating anxiety conditions... WHen you start hyperventillating, the lights and the space can for some reason get scary, anything where depth is involved and openess exists does that, or where there's alot of contrast...Some of the lighting would at times put me in a trance....especially the red, blue, or green lights...I'd stare into them like a zombi.....

ANother thing Don,  Like I was mentioning to Keith earlier, some of us at times worked a few jobs, and gigged at night...Did you eat first ?   or was your body possibly entering a starvation cycle, and you'd be hypoglycemic, have caffeine, and arrhythmia's such as extra-systoles from caffeine, and electrolytes thrown out've wack....etc... In my case between alcohol, caffiene, and just not watching myself, I was probably dehydrated 90% of the time....

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Yes, everything you're saying applied to me for sure!  Bright multi-colored lighting could really bother me.  Things would seem spatially altered, kind of unreal.
On the other extreme, playing loud in a dimly lit room seemed weird too.  The sensory input was unbalanced so to speak.  Too much audio and not enough visual
could also throw me for a loop sometimes.  I think I just have a weirdly tuned nervous system.  

Double posted!

Join the club,  It's what makes us musicians, acute sensitivity alot of the times....we're artistic people and aren't expected to be "Navy Seal" types ... Just get a medical alert bracelet that reads  "Musician"  everyone will understand !

I think that's the one thing that get's me thru.... and also one of the reason's I couldn't do much else !  Yet as I've stated,  I wasn't a vocalist, I'd NEVER have done well as "the front man"..... I like to hide behind you singers, and front people... So not being a singer except for harmony, and for that i'd crawl out've my whole just long enough to do what I had to do, than crawl back into my shell... I found my niche on-stage, and it was comfortable for me...

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I need to have just the right amount of food before playing.  Too little and I have very low energy reserves -- emotional/nervous energy can burn a lot of calories too.
But if I ate too much, I'd feel too slugish because all the blood is going to the stomach to digest the food not leaving alot for the muscles and brain!  Very tricky trying to get just the right amount!