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I don't believe in astrology--we Gemini are very skeptical.   LOL

Seriously, though, I'm really not into it.

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Falls in the same lame category as Oprah, Dr Phill and the rest of the nonsense that is portrayed as "entertainment". If you are gullible enough to believe in it, good for you, that’s your right.


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My sign is Pisces.
I don't believe in it, but like to dream a little. So I'll read them here
and there. It seems like if I'm in a new relationship I like to check if we are
compatable, but even if we aren't it doesn't stop me.

I seem to be like my description though. I am very laid back and try to be the piece
maker.

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I have NEVER believed in any of that........

BUT:

Have you ever READ the profile of a Taurus? Haha, suits me to a T.  LMAO

And, just for kicks, I went and got a free "past life" reading, haha.....

Chapter 1: The Sun

Your Sun is in Taurus (Tropical zodiac).

        Taurus' influence inclines you to be somewhat headstrong, with a very set and determined manner.

        Remember, Charmin, success or accomplishment in life is not a matter of some great force or influence.  Just as taught by the Master, it is not the power of the storm or of the earthquake or of great noises and the like.  Rather it is the still small voice speaking from within you which becomes the influence through which movements of truly great forces really arise.
       
        Since your childhood, being outdoors and living close to nature is probably more significant to you than to most others. This love of nature and the great outdoors is from one or more past lives spent on a farm or in nature settings.  For ages countries on the Mediterranean such as ancient Egypt, Greece and virtually all of the ancient Mideast lived in close contact with nature.  So did the Native Americans of pre-Columbian America. And surely you were one of them.

Yup, that fits me pretty well too. Maybe there is a bit of something to it all. But, nah, they speak in such "generalities"..... kinda like the weathermen do.  :)

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I went to one of the Astrology doctors one time. Ill never go back there again :shock:

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Dr. D @ Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:15 am wrote:
I went to one of the Astrology doctors one time. Ill never go back there again :shock:


I would go once........ if he was cute enough....... and promised to make me see stars.  LOL

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My boyfriend and I went to a guru - a real life Guru. I have some friends
who are Indian and suggested we go into Chicago to this guy.He came highly
recommended.
It was comical from the start. We met in the back of this jewelry store. He
had on this hat that looked like something out of a doctor Seus Book. We sat down in this little office with a picture of a guru guy on the wall that looked like a throw back from the sixties, big huge afro, giving the peace sign.
He had our personalities all wrong. He wasn't even close. He also told us what stones
we should wear to bring us peace. Next thing we knew the owner of the jewelry store
was trying to sell us rings with those stones in them. Come on.......we took a 45 min trip into Chicago for this? We just laughed it off and had a good time going to dinner after.

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BlueStainedShoes @ Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:17 pm wrote:
Dr. D @ Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:15 am wrote:
I went to one of the Astrology doctors one time. Ill never go back there again :shock:


I would go once........ if he was cute enough....... and promised to make me see stars.  LOL


I'm no Astrology doctor, but I can promise you I can make you see stars :angel:


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the bible speaks of this and says NOT to get involved in it....God Knows Best


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I'm pretty sure that nothing in life can truly be "predicted" .... but, I am a believer in the concept of "fate" .... and that certain things are either meant or not meant to be.  I think we are being rather naive to believe that the universe ... the alignment of the stars .... and the world that surrounds us doesn't "influence" in some way ... the way we behave.  

Lets face it... changes in atmospheric pressure give some headaches.... cause our ears to plug or pop ... etc.  

Do I feel that my "horoscope" is a predictor of my "future" .... NO ... not at all ... not in any "pure" way.  However... I do think there is some validity in the concept that our personalities, behavior... and to an extent ... our "lives" are in some way affected by the rest of the universe.  

I don't read my horoscope on a regular basis.... but I have done some reading on my sign "capricorn" .... and having been born on the very last day of that astrological cycle ... I've also looked at "aquarius".    In a great many ways, I am much like the description of a capricorn... personality wise... yet possess a "bit" of the aquarius's phiilosophies about life.  

I've read several other "cycles" .. and none of THEM describe me well... at ALL.  So.... while I don't put a ton of thought into or give a good deal of attention to astrology.... I do believe we are all, in some ways.... affected by the "stars" .... or the world around us ... and that that affect shapes some of our personality characteristics and beliefs.  

What I don't buy into is "mind reading" ... or the such.  However.... I think there is some validity to some amongst us having stronger or more highly develped senses to or about certain things. The brain is still a great mystery to us.... so I don't discount the possibility that some people could possess higher or more developed senses than the majority of us.  We've all heard of "savants" .... perhaps those that claim to have the ability to "see" or "sense" are simply telling us that in some way they too are "savant" like = Having a highly developed ability that is exceptional ... unique ... and not well understood by most.  

I really don't know ... but I certainly can't totally discount the possibility that there could be some validity to the effects of the universe on us.... and not just "physically"".... but perhaps in some spiritual or exceptional way that us unique.  

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Lonman @ Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:49 pm wrote:
 Seems like EVERY newspaper has a different horoscope reading, then there are the online ones as well that don't coincide with anything either.  Some are daily, some are weekly, some are monthly.  They are so vague that they can apply to almost anyone or anything at SOME point in there life, day, week or whatever.  It's just for entertainment value & just like fortune cookies, someone probably has a program that randomly picks what todays horoscope will be.

I noticed the other day while checking my horoscope it stated I should "Take a brisk walk." to clear my head. :)  Then, I read every other horoscope and noticed the same "opinion"--ex. take a brisk walk; go for a jog to clear your mind; exercise will clear your mind, so on and son on. What applies to a person in one particular situation often holds true to another, so I can see where some might feel that the "reading" is solely meant for them.

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Keith01 @ 24th February 2006, 10:51 am wrote:
I'm a Leo and I am fersure an arrogant self centered a-hole....So that reinforces the science of the stars enuff for me...

I'm also a Snake in the Chinese version, and I fersure do sneaky snake-like stuff.....So I guess you could say I believe in all that crap or at least grant it some validity....It could be worse....I could be a monkey and sit around and pick at my butt.


More good things to come your way this year,
Thank you....Yes, more good things are predicted to come my way this year....And bad things too.

Astrology is not prediction, it is in fact history.

Astrology, unlike christian and most other religions, allows us to remain positive because it is always positive. There is no guilt or condemnation associated with astrology...Astrology says simply that you are what you are and you will suffer or enjoy as you are destined...and it allows you an equal share of both suffering and reward.....And it promises nothing more than that....It describes you and your strengths and weaknesses and then it is up to you to to fight to be a better person.

Astrology is always very polite....It always focuses on your good side, and never really mentions the bad....It is up to you to look past the good it describes about you and dig into the bad it ignores.....What it doesn't say good about you should scream at you.

Astrology is something that always proves true....you can ignore it...you do not have to to subscribe to it or embrace it....You will have your good days and you will have the bad days just like it predicts....But not maybe exactly on the days it predicts...but nontheless, in the end it will explain the path the rollercoaster of your life takes....and only in retrospect will it seem valid.

Astrology is not so much a study of the future, but instead a look into the past...If you don't believe me, then go outside tonight and scan the heavens and remember that what you see there actually happened millions of light years ago...so if astrology is based on the stars, then astrology is based on ancient history.

You and your life is nothing new under the sun....all you feel and all you experience has been experienced before. All you suffer and all you rejoice has been suffered or celebrated already....So astrology is not prediction, it is history....

No wonder it proves so true.


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Keith, The good things to come greatly overshadowed these little bad things.

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My own thought's are how can astrology be discounted as TOTALLY wrong ?  Take certain phenomenon such as "lunacy".  The moon's gravity does exert a force on liquid..  Our body composition has an extremely high content of liquid. If you believe in certain aspects such as our biorhythms, if you believe that we exist within a huge universe, why is it unlikely that EXACT alignment of planets, stars, moon position at the moment when we were born, and when our parents and their parents were born has some degree of affect on who we are ?  Do you know enough about the universe and cosmology to say,  "We aren't a part of it's phenomenon, or we aren't integrated within it?"

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Billy,  I think this is the excerpt you are speaking of..


"The good Christian should beware of [astrologers], and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the [astrologers] have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell."
St. Augustine (354-430) DeGenesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37

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I'll say it again.

.......only in retrospect does astrology seem valid.

Astrology is not so much a study of the future, but instead a look into the past...If you don't believe me, then go outside tonight and scan the heavens and remember that what you see there actually happened millions of light years ago...so if astrology is based on the stars, then astrology is based on ancient history.

You and your life is nothing new under the sun....all you feel and all you experience has been experienced before. All you regret and all you rejoice has been suffered or celebrated already....So astrology is not prediction, it is history.... Astrology is not a window into the future, it is a mirror into the past...and in that way it is in fact a window into the future., because what has passed will pass again.

No wonder astrology proves so true.

Anyone who does not believe in astrology is doomed to repeat history and relearn the lessons contained therein....anyone who denies their astrological fate will suffer what has already been suffered.....

Astrology is a prediction of the future based on the past. If you want to deny it, then don't repeat it.


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Keith01 @ 25th February 2006, 12:29 pm wrote:
I'll say it again.

.......only in retrospect does astrology seem valid.

Astrology is not so much a study of the future, but instead a look into the past...If you don't believe me, then go outside tonight and scan the heavens and remember that what you see there actually happened millions of light years ago...so if astrology is based on the stars, then astrology is based on ancient history.

You and your life is nothing new under the sun....all you feel and all you experience has been experienced before. All you suffer and all you rejoice has been suffered or celebrated already....So astrology is not prediction, it is history....

No wonder it proves so true.


That is the reason it is a form of science. To predict the future we need to know the past. Its call extrapolation. Science does that and mostly that. Astrology can be more accurate than  the weather forecast where they use multimillion $ equipment.

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It makes sense to me Keith, that people such as Isaac Newton, and Galileo weren't just being superstitious... I find it amazing that so many people will say "I know God exists"... yet many of these same people will say "How can anyone believe in something as nonsensical as astrology?"...  They believe "god" affects their lives.... yet discount that alignment of the universe can ?   To me that's absurd..

What people are mistaking for "astrology" is "newspaper horoscopes"... That isn't "Astrology".  That's entertainment.


Principles of Astrology take gravity into consideration, and electromagnetic field.. THAT isn't hogwash... Again, is it possible ?    I don't know,  yet I certainly am not smart enough to call it BS, and back up such an assertion.  Fact is, there are people that are affected by a full moon, whether they can see it or not.. Our calander is designed based upon lunar cycle isn't it ?

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ya got some good thought provoking posts there kappy.....what scares me is that i tend to agree with a lot of them.... :shock:


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Similarly,  Since we use perhaps 2-3% of our brain consciously, and we understand that ALOT of communication is non-verbal, and extends beyond what we are aware of...Why say "Extra-sensory perception" is total BS ?  Whether we call it ESP, Clairovoyant ability, or Paranormal phenom or "Psychic" phenom... There IS an explanation for it, we just don't understand what it is...Yet we don't understand MOST of our senses,  we just slap inductive explanations on things, and call these "math or scientific theory" hence we "buy it' as real..  Does that mean we really understand alot of our existence ?

Ever speak with identical twins that appear to be "telepathic" ?   or from OUR perspective,  the elephants that sensed danger, or heard vibration due to acute senses that *WE* don't have, and got out've harms way when the Tsunami hit...How about "service dogs" ?   They can sense changes in electrical field, and feel a human's seizures, or medical condition coming on before the human can.. It's believed that certain dogs can also smell chemical changes, and tell if types of cancer exists in a person... From our perspective this appears to be "Psychic" ability, enhanced ability, yet I certainly believe there are certain individuals that also have a super-normal,  or paranormal acute sense that many other's don't have... We know so little about the brain,  how can we claim phenomenon that does exist at times. Is total BS,  and always coincidental ?  We've seen otherwise.. I just say I'm not sure, yet when a pet can find it's way home long distances without a map.... Some will say, "Yeah, it's not ESP because he's a dog".... well to me that explains nothing...Some people do have certain abilities that extend beyond the norm, currently they are often just called "super sensitive"...

Not having an explanation, or label to slap on a physical or metaphysical area, doesn't mean it doesn't exist... How many understand "Time" and "Death"  are there equations that can explain either one of these aspects ?  Taking into consideration past, present, and future ?

Now about the idiots on Television that are trying to make money off've something they likely don't have...and these stupid infomercial type "you too can be a psychic 900 numbers"... It's no wonder there are so many skeptics regarding the paranormal.

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Jeanne,  I just say "I don't know".   If I say something is hogwash, I feel I should be able to back up why it's hogwash.  I can't. Fact is, when we use what we've developed as inductive reasoning  (which I believe is what Keith is stating when he's mentioning past being indicative of future),  that's what science and math basically are... Man-created skills that are inductive...  Yet physics, math, and all science eventually run up against a wall when it comes to explaining aspects that the physical sciences have no explanantion for... "our existence".

Jian,  Did you ever take any Cosmology in your scientific studies ?  That is a VERY difficult area...


(I lacked the mathematical skills at the time to take the course :(   )

My quantitative abilities in the area's of science always have suffered.

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