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Actually no it doesn't... any music or sound recording is a sound WAVE... The options in CEP say "Import Wave File" which is actually any kind of sound recording... not just WAV format which is just another method of storing sound WAVES.  The problem with the WAV format is that it is uncompressed and very large.  A typical WAV file can reach sizes of 30-50 megs in size... that makes more data that needs to be processed thus causing the apparent slow down in speed when you're dealing with them.  However CEP supports MP3 format directly (as well as many other file formats like WAV, OGG, WMV and many more).  Since MP3 format stores in a compressed form the typical file sizes are 3-5 megs in size, making them much faster to process and load.  Less data to sort thru, the faster the processing time.  Make sense?

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I am even more confused. Does CEP actually process the mp3 file or does it converted it to wav first.? If the audio engine within CEP process mp3 file then it does make sense using mp3 as a file input. But if it convert the file to back to wav then I might as well just rip the backing track from the cd in wav form before loading it to CEP. Conversion to and from and back degrade the audio quality of the file, so I was told. Mp3 is nothing but a compressed file so you say. So it need to 'decompressed' before it is processed. The 3-5 mb will be 35mb wav. So where is the advantage of using mp3 as the starter file? See am more confused.

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[quote="Badsinger @ Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:42 amI am even more confused. Does CEP actually process the mp3 file or does it converted it to wav first.? If the audio engine within CEP process mp3 file then it does make sense using mp3 as a file input. But if it convert the file to back to wav then I might as well just rip the backing track from the cd in wav form before loading it to CEP. Conversion to and from and back degrade the audio quality of the file, so I was told. Mp3 is nothing but a compressed file so you say. So it need to 'decompressed' before it is processed. The 3-5 mb will be 35mb wav. So where is the advantage of using mp3 as the starter file? See am more confused.[/quote]

It doesn't convert anything to WAV format... What actually happens is this...

When you import any sound file (WAV, MP3, etc) CEP will read all the information in that file.

It will convert that file in memory to it's OWN temporary file format so that it can read all the information faster and easier.

When you go to save the file... it then converts its OWN Temporary file back to the WAV, MP3 etc format that you wanted to save it in.

Now... what I am saying is that if you use a WAV format, it's gonna be a bigger file and it will take alot longer to read the information... whereas, with MP3 it will be alot faster.

If you don't believe me, try it yourself.  If you're having problems with processing time it could mean you need more memory.  Time the difference in file formats processing time for yourself and see what happens!  Lemme know what you discover...

-=> Jim! <=-

Now I got it. Thanks a much.

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put a file into edit view on audition, and save it as a mp3, you'll see the file named as an mp3, but it not an mp3 actually. Its still a wave or internal format. I notice if i save to mp3 it takes time to save, where when saving to wav its much much quicker...could be in audition the internal format is wav.


Jim, i got what the compressions are doing now, and the one you refer to as great is your own creation. Those screen shots made me finally get it. Sometimes, my s's when i'm singing really get over emphazied if i processor per your system, remove noise, appliy three compressions...any ideas?....Also, if i capture noise, then remove noise at 100 percent  voice can sound like your at the bottom of a trash can, metal that iz !!!

russ

That's quite possible... I haven't messed around much in Audition... but then again, this tutorial was written for Cool Eddit, not Audition.  And its is quite possible... seeing as WAV format is completely uncompressed.



There should be a DeSSer preset in your Dynamic Processing list.  Give that a try.  Another thing you could do as well is when you're singing, try holding hte mic a little further away and too the side.  That could help too.  Lemme know!

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Well  I too am learning and just figured out how even audocity works and I have soundforge 8 and music Creator Pro .all bought recently except audiocity which was a free download ..  I thank you for your instructions Jim for they explained to me some steps I have been taking myself and helps me undertstand some controls in Sound Forge better too.  

PS.  About the comment on no posting much because .......  
I understand ... and that is me too ..on various Yahoo Groups about karaoke .. I know what works for me in degitalizing my karaoke, burning a custom CDG etc and have almost any software you can name for doing it, usually downloaded as a trial or from P2p ..but if it works I buy it ...and I know a lot of folks like that.
But I seldom will answer a help call ..on certain subjects because Someone will allways say but mine ...... and you can ....... and no you don't need Plextor .....

so usually I just say your the winner  I Quit ....  Like the Bobby Bare Song  ..  Take care and enjoyed  listening to your excellent recordings that are crystal clear to me (The Proof is in the Pudding ..and the recording show that this methoid is working) Plus its neat that you take the time to post up the screens for everyone to see. I see a lot of similar controls and by checking them out was able to pick up some good info to apply to my existing programs)  THANKS

Jimmy

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Hey Russ... been working on a better form of this tut... I created a bunch of screen captures of the entire process and added a bunch of other tidbits to it... you can get to it here:

http://davisworks.net/cer

Lemme know if that helps out some... with the screen caps it should give you a better idea of what's going on so that you can apply it to Audition.

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Geeze Jim,
Now we're all gonna sound like pro's, how will we stand out now    Awesome document and easy to follow. Thanks  

[shadow=midnightblue]Incredibly kind of you to go to so much trouble. This will be most helpful for many!!![/shadow]

Hi Russ!!!  To find the DeEsser take this route from your Edit Screen:

Effects>Amplitude>Dynamics Processing

If you're using Audition there should be 3 or 4 DeEssing presets listed--I usually find the medium setting works perfectly unless you're having an especially bad lisping day hehehe.  Hope this helps!!!

If you use the Parametric Equalizer on your vocal track you can virtually eliminate the need to use your noise reduction as it takes much of the hiss/ambiant noise out.  To get to the Parametric Equalizer from your Edit Screen:

Effects>Filters>Parametric Equalizer

In the Presets section scroll down to High Boost 16K Notch for Audition or Mackie High Boost for CEP.  On your Equalizer (top right corner) change the following numbers:  

Male voice settings:  
 1) 4 or 5 (experiment to see which sounds better with your voice)
 2) 4
 3) 4 - 6 (again, experimentation is needed to determine which works better with your voice)

Female voice:
 1) 6
 2) 4
 3) 8
These are my personal settings ladies, I have an alto voice and these numbers are perfect for my range.  I've also mixed songs for other friends and the same settings worked very well so experiment if you like.

Bottom right next to your presets section is a small box marked Master Gain--change this number to 8dB.

Next click on your Add button and name your preset.  I named mine Cat (clever huh ).  Now when you use your Parametric Equalizer all you need to do is click on your named preset then click OK.  You'll be surprised how this can affect the clarity of your vocal track.  By the way, these settings came directly from a recording engineer friend of mine who lives in South Africa.  He definitely knows his stuff.

Hope this helps any who might be interested in improving their sound.  Using the Compander feature will also aid tremendously but that'll have to wait til the next time as it's wayyyyyyyyyy past my bedtime .

Happy recording everyone!!!!

yeahhhhhhhh cathiiiiiiii....thanks so much for posting this....i think it's gonna help me out a lot....i don't mess too much with the mixing part, but i want to start....i have an alto voice too, so i'll just start off with your settings....and i could definitely use the DeEsser......thanks sweetie....

Hi Jeanne, you're very welcome hun!  When you use the Parametric Equalizer in conjuction with the Compander (which I'll get to the hows the settings to use when I get some extra time, the next few days will be hectic to say the least) you'll be amazed at the difference in the quality of your recordings.  

While Audition and CEP are basically the same program (Adobe bought out CEP and renamed it) Audition has a few extra perks and doodads that are fun to play around with as well as renaming a few features in CEP.  I might even start a new thread to try to help recognize and explain the differences so as not to ruin the integrity of what Jim's done.

Glad to help hun, if you have any other questions you can always send me a pm or an email.  HUGGGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ sweetie!!

well i'm just glad some r willing to help....when i want to add a track to cep. i just drag the song over there...its done, that simple...after i get the track in i start sweating so much thinking...ok now i have to sing...and i get this bad twitch, heck i hardly ever can record after that....


but i don't spend anytime mixing, and my sound shows it to....not sure i'll use this advise either to lazy i guess plus its all in fun anyway....but glad ya'll did post it......

some lady asked about her vocals bleeding thru while singing, i always found that when that happens to me, my settings on my comp. WASN'T set to LINE IN....just a thought....again ty

Can I plug a shure SM-58 directly into the microphone input of the soundcard using a 1/16th inch RCA phono male adapter plug, or does the microphone need to have an impedance converter converting it to high impedence ?  How about a keyboard and guitar ?   Can they go directly into the line-in input circumventing a midi adapter ?

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steven why would u want to do that with u owning a mixer? go from the mixer to the soundcard, no need for a converter...
the way i see it is....and i could be wrong butttttttt....for the guitar, just plug it into the mixer which is hooked up to  ur soundcard...then record in cep....anything midi i'm sure is different but not a guitar....i wouldn't think anyway.....listen as u play thru ur headphone on ur mixer....add ur effect that r on cep....  JMO  ....then sub it so i can hear u play, u cheap sucker....now go do it....take care my friend

Um.  Because the mixer's in the next room and I'd have to unplug it ?  


Anyway thanks Billy !   I do have several possibilities.  In fact I have that Teac 4 channel.  Boss 6 channel keyboard mixer, Tascam 424 recording studio, Boss DR-5 which is probably my best bet because it is a sequencer, Rhythm machine with guitar synth stuff... I'm wondering about the Zoom 2020 multieffects unit too, that's pretty useless as an FX stomp for guitar because the sound's are dryer than using the individual stomp boxes...and that has the 1/16th out which can likely go directly into the computer...Not sure I want to lug in the Soundtech powered mixer for this, I use that with my other stuff.....  

Although I'm cheap... I also welcome terms such as "Lazy F***", "Tub of lard", etc.  Please don't feel bashful !  


                                                Later Billy, Big day tomorrow, I have to hit the
                                                refrigerator at some point and get something to
                                                eat, so I need a good nights rest !

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Hey Steve... I got my Shure RS130 mic plugged directly into the Mic-In jack using an adapter... it works just fine.  I dunno about the keyboard/guitar, but I don't see why not.  Give it a shot and see if it works!  Lemme know!

-=> Jim! <=-

Thank's Jim.

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Thank You!  :worship: This thread has been extremely helpful in learning from scratch how to work with CEP. You are very generous to share this info with us.

I'm now able to make submissions online that sound good. They are getting better all the time.

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