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Well I got my RSQ MK-22 and Shure SM58 wireless mic. I am playing it through my HT reciever and some Aiwa speakers that I had for fear ofblowing them, and let me tell you it totally sucked (live voice). It did not seem like "live" music if you know what I mean. Once you get into it turn it up there is tremendous distortoin when you start to sing loud! And it is all bassy and basically does not feel like a live band or at a restaurant...

so I need some help. I guess I need to buy a powered mixer and speakers, or powered speakers and mixer with effects to get this thing to sound good right? Will it sound like at a live band or a retaurant?

The basment is about 2200 cubic feet. I am going to need to fil lit. I also want speakers that would provide nice bass as well not just mids. Is this possible? Or perhaps I can use my subwoofer from the Home theater it is a rather good SVS Sub. But it connects via RCA jacks so I dont know if those connection are available at the mixer. Also I want to be able t osing loud without any distortion and clean music. So what can you guys tell me. My budget is about $650-$700 for the whole setup minus the mic and player which I already have. This also should include cabling and such. So let's hear your comments and suggestions. Thanks everyone

A couple JBL EON15 powered & Mackie DFX12 mixer (probably could get away with the DFX6).  Wouldn't need anything else not even the sub.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--JBLEON1500
http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?form= ... rch&q=dfx6

As far as cords, it just needs 2 mic cords from the mixer to the speakers.  Slightly over you outlined budget but not much.

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Thanks Lonman. But how do those speakers compare to these?
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=600200

Also the reasons I was uhappy with before would be solved by getting these type of speakers? I will get nice bass out of them?

Also how would the "package" aove that you recommended compare to this:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=630194

I would also get some stands there and still be $50 cheaper. Also what kind of effects does the MAckie have? And lastly, I was really hoping to stay under $1000 for this since it is for the home. IS there no way to do that with a nice setup?

Well these are almost double the power over the standard EON & also double the price, I was trying to stay in your budget, but these would sound cleaner at higher volumes over the standards, but chances are for home use, you'll never need to crank them up that loud.  



These will provide ample bass response.



This system is decent, however it would push less power than the standard EON's.  The Yamaha mixer/amp pushes 190 watts per channel into 8 ohms & the EONs push 225 watts to each box.  Not a great increase but the more power the cleaner the sound (as a rule).  



Ok, I didn't notice the price on the link was blemished speakers - I would still call to see HOW blemished, usually they are just store demos that have slight scratches here & there, but @ $269 each, that's a great price & they only have 2 left.  The 2nd cheapest I seen that set was at http://www.abesofmaine.com/viewproduct.asp?id=jbeon1500
The Mackie effects are pretty decent for a built in effects, it has several reverbs, delay, chorus, flanger all adjustable.  A little better the the Yamaha IMO.  
Again, I was trying to stay around the $700 mark you had outlined while still using quality components.  If you want to push to $1000, there are a couple other ways i'd personally go.

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thanks for the help. Yea I Def. dont want to go to $1000 but aftger I looked at the price of the stuff you recommended seemed like I had no choice! I'm not too crazy getting the blemished ones, especially since they are so much cheaper, maybe tehre is a reason for it. And do you think it is a good idea to get the floor models? I mean they are usually abused and still I am getting a used speaker so it has more of a chance of blowing or wearing out, no? I def. want to be around $700. Can I Get anything around that price new, that would be as good/ or better than the yamahas which u said looses to the jbls? Thanks.

Also any idea if samash has these in stock or something so I can listen to them in real life? Also when I Asked about if it would resolve the issues I Was having I did not only mean the bass. WQould I sound live like at a resaurant or a concert with these type of speakers? Im not just talking about the bass. And can you pelase recommend something in that range that is new? Thanks again.

*EDIT* By the way one of the reviewers for the Eon1500 said that they are a little bit better for music than live vocals, and another said he was dissapointed with the bass from these speakers, but that is what his SUB is for. Im not sure if it is something to be concerned about or not. Anway Ill see your response to my other questions and give them a call to find out what this blemish is , if you think it is safe to buy "demo" stuff and from these guys.

In addition the Eon1500 you recommended was an unpowered speaker. So that Mackie is a powered mixer right? I was kinda under the impression though that it is best to not get a powered mixer and to go with a powered speaker instead? I could be wrong though.

Also how would these compare? http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPV115
They are 400 watts and cheaper. But I understand its not all about the numbers...
Also what is the difference between a 2-way speaker like the jbls, and an all range speaker? Should I be looking a an all range one? Thanks guys again for your help.

by the way Lonman, you do realize that you stated to get an Eon15 powered speaker, but linked to an Eon1500 passive? Now I'm a little confused.

Blemished stuff like I said isn't always used & abused.  Some are just ever so scratched that you can't even tell, I buy "b" stock all the time which includes blemish items & never had a prob.  Most floor models aren't necessarily used & abused, many are just set up - some aren't even ever hooked up.  Like I said for $269 each, I would call & see what "blemishes" are on them.  They have to disclose if there are any other problems with them.  



MOST music stores will have those in stock for listening to.  MANY karaoke companies use these speakers & alot also use the DFX series mixer.  Yes it would sound like you hear at the clubs.



Depends on what those reviewers were using them for.  The guy that was disappointed with the bass was probably using them for dj work, in which yes I would say a sub would be needed.  You would be using them in a relatively small room, the bass will not be an issue.  Like said, many use these same speakers & run correctly, sound just fine vocal wise.  As far as demo stuff, again, I never have a prob with the used stuff from the stores (knock on wood).



These are not powered speakers to start with so you would need to purchase an additional amp as well.

A 2 way speaker is basically considered a "full" range speaker.  You can also get 3 way & 4 way speakers, but then you are also talking more cost again.

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oh I see. Thanks buddy. Thing is if I am going to purchase the eon1500 speakers than I will need an amp. I was hoping not to have to get an am pand get either powered speakers or a powered mixer to get rid of the extra cost of an amp. If I go with those speakers dont you think I should go with a powered mixer?

Also how would they colmpare to the $200 PEavey's I posted above. Thanks again for your help you are awesome. Seems like everyone else is away .

*EDIT* Oh and on their website it says that because their warehouse is so huge they can not tell me exaclty what the blemish is, but they just have a broad explanation of what it is. What do you think? I would think that these suckers last forever (just like most PA speakers). But damn, I thought those where powered speakers and I was so excited. I just don't see how I can get it to be $700 now especially being tha tthey arent powered. So how would you address the amp issue.

Yes it does because someone would've jumped on me by now giving wrong info!

Crap I am very sorry, I thought HAD posted the powered version link.  That price was awesome for powered's which is why I kept suggesting them.  I feel stupid right now!  No the EON1500 are not powered which you would need a powered board or separate amp.  Don't know why I did not catch that earlier, mind wasn't focused.  That Yamaha package you linked is looking better now.

I have to get to bed now,  so there will be more recommends here by the morning.

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no problem it happens. That is why I was so confused. Im like there is no way this is happening. That Yamaha is still out of my price range though, I just wanted to see how it would compare. Plus I dont need mics...

I basically had a $1200 budget to set up this karaoke for the home. I got the Shure SM58 wireless mic for $400, and the RSQ MK-22 for $120. This leaves me with $700. I thought that $1200 would be enough to have a nice sounding home karaoke system.

By the way for the powered Eon g2 speakers, there is a regular Eon G2 powered, and one with Powered and EQ. Big ddifeerence in price. Do most people use the regular powered G2 or the one with eq? The review for the regular powered one said it was very good becasuse you can't adjust it. Anyway this is just out of curiosity because they are way to expensive...

And yea I thought those where powered at first too so Im like PERFECT, and when I realized they weren't I was ready to cry llol because fot all the reviews for them. Oh well Im sure someone can help me out pick something nice for the home that still will be bassy fill the room, and sound club-like. Anywa thanks man, and have a good night.

Ok, awake & focused.  There are two version of the powered speakers from JBL, the EON 15P (originals - no eq, lower power - the ones I thought I had posted) & the EON 15 G2 (with eq, almost double the power & heftier price tag).  I've seen both sets used in clubs with more of them being the G2 series only because of the higher power - which equals cleaner sound at normal listening levels which is another reason they are more expensive.  You are getting the speaker AND the amp with a powered speaker which can be cheaper than buying a separate amp & speakers.  
Figure the speakers - we'll go with the EON1500 (passive), they run about $400 each ($800 per pair), now you need an amp that is equivalent to the amp in the powered.  For that we'll say the QSC RMX1450 (close enough power wise) that runs  $430.  So that's $1230 just for a speaker system (not counting speaker cords - more expensive than mic cords used in powered).  Now for a set of the EON 15P (originals) will run about $900 for both - that's $100 more than the passive set orginally.  Granted this doesn't include the mixer.  Now not saying you can't get cheaper speakers that sound good.  I happen to like the Yamaha Club S115V as well & have seen those as low as $300 per, but generally they run around $325 or so.
A "decent - (I say this as most powered board that are affordable don't even push the power that some powered speakers push)" powered mixer & passive speakers are going to run you right around the same price as well.  
You have to remember many (willing to bet most that you've heard) club systems are running 15" 2 way speakers with some decent power pushing the speakers.

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Damn. So no way to get good stuff for my budget huh? I guess Ill have to wait and save $

Well you can buy cheaper stuff, but chances are you aren't going to be happy - although I could be wrong.  I'm not big on Behringer products, but you could go with one of their powered boards for $350 & a couple of Peavey PV115 speakers for $200 each bringing the total to approx $750 (minus cords).  Could make you happy, or not - only your ears would be able to tell.  The speakers probably won't have alot of bass response (although I haven't heard these yet) as they use their lowest quality woofer, but Peavey stuff is usually pretty crisp sounding as a rule.

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Well, I think we hit this topic in another thread.  Not knowing exactly what you have... I would have predicted marginal sound with Aiwa speakers (what's your HT system?).  

I have two systems in my house -- consumer stereo stuff and they both sound pretty darn good in a karaoke setup.  One is not even a HT setup.   that said-- no way would this work in a KJ gig but quite fine for home use.   Of course, limited (no) clipping, effects, capabilities.  So nuf said.  But still sounds clean even at fairly high levels.


system 1
- Onkyo stereo receiver (don't remember wattage-- someting like 100 per channel).  Purposely bought as  'cheap' sound sytem just for music.   receiver/amp was something like $300
-  speakers.  Polk audio towers -- don't remember model though -- around $200 a piece
-  player-- RSQ-333    tripple tray thingy that has mic inputs etc.

system 2
- Yamaha - don't remember model.  Also about 100 watts per channel all around. separate amps per channel if I remember correctly.  somewhere around $500
- Klipsch towers -- great mid and high end response.  bass is pretty good too.  somwhere around $300 per speaker

Ok, so that said-- my stuff is now where near top of the line for HT or music gear and yet it sounds pretty darn good IN A HOME.  Again, I wouldn't even try to use this stuff in a bar.  but home use is a different story assuming you're just messing around.

question again is-- Do you really need "DJ" type of equipment?  For what I thought you said you had, you should be able to get into something with speakers, amp etc.

He said he wasn't happy with the sound the home gear was producing, his goal was to have club style sound & that cannot be done with a HT  system.

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Yep,

The guy will be SO much happier and excited once he goes pro level VS consumer grade with live sound....Even if he does it on the cheap, he will hear the diff...

HT and home audio is designed to playback prerecorded stuff, and it does that very well....but add live vocals and it just cannot reproduce the dynamics of same. You needs lots of dynamic range and power to make live vocals stand out and sound "live".

If however he recorded karaoke, then played it back on his HT stuff, it would sound ok providing he compressed the vocals properly....Prerecorded music is compressed and processed...FM radio is highly compressed....But live is not....Live needs huge dynamic range and lots of power and speakers/amps that can deliver it.

Lonman is correct....And 2200 sq/ft is not a small venue even if it is his home....The guy needs to go pro and go pro all the way thru from mixer to speakers.....There just might be a day when he decide to haul the stuff up out of the basement and do a yard party....If so, he will fersure want lots of power and big subs.