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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:21 am 
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i never had i bit of trouble with my AS-890's till they started cutting out when i turned away from my console


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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:32 am 
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the as990s are miles above their cro-magnon cousins, and I never had any troubles with them, either!

For the KJ on a budget, they're a perfectly fine mic.


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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:40 am 
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Capt Midnight @ Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:38 pm wrote:
I have a Shure that i paid over $300 for.  I am having a hard time understanding what you all are so scared of?????

That Shure wireless has been used, don't think it was dropped that i know of.  I know that if it was, it will hold up, as opposed to a $60 or $100 mic.

I have hosts that use the higher end shurs with the multiple frequencies,and also wired SM58's, THEY HOLD UP

The first poster has now spen $160 on mics that are now in the trash.  That is $160 that he could have saved and put towards a decent Shure or higher end Audio Technica system.

Do I own a freeway 200 series by Audio Technica - yes i do, it is a wireless bodypack with an ATM75 headset mic, and it works great for what i use it for - announcing and doing trivia shows when both hands need to be free.

The only two parts of a SM58 wireless that i can think that would be damaged would be the battery cap and the grille, both are probably $5 each from Shure

NOW, i am not going to hand every staggering drunk a wireless mic, that is why I get the wireless back from the singer and don't leave it on a stand.  putting a mic on a stand seems to be the best way to get it dropped; either they can't get it out and when they do it goes flying, or they can't get it back into the clip.

Let's do some math:

Case#1:  host buys a $100 wireless mic set.  The set is NOT dual diversity, and is VHF.  This set cuts out if the singer goes too far (most will cause of interference and non-diversity).  This mic sounds ok.  The host plays friday and saturday nights at various bars, clubs, and resturants.  After 3 months of regular use this mic breaks (either through wear & Tear, dropped, purposly broken, etc)

ORIGINAL COST $100
Life 3 months or 24 shows (2 shows per week * 4 weeks a month * 3 months)
cost per show $4.17

Case 2:  host buys a multiple frequency SHURE PGX24/SM58 WIRELESS HANDHELD .  This is a UHF Dual diversity unit with 90 selectable frequencies.  This set will switch receivers if one gets a better signal, the range is long enough for all of the areas you play, no interference, if you do, you change the channel on the mic and receiver (which is basically holding the bottom of the mic to the reciver and hitting a button) This thing is sweet sounding.  The unit takes minor bumps and is dropped a few times, (no mic body slams).  This mic lasts you 3 years and counting.

Original cost $399.99 (PSSL)
Life 3 years, 36 months, 312 shows and then some
cost per show $1.28  
and as an added bonus this mic uses cheaper AA batteries, so you are not buying costly 9V batteries.  Shure rates that 2 AA batteries will allow 8 hours of continious use

Do the shure's last 3 years and counting - yes they do...... I know hosts that have had the same Shure mics for 3 years, they lost one system due to voltage issues (which cause more harm than one can imagine), but even then that unit was over 4 years old when that happened.

If you buy good NOW you spend less later.  That mic system in case#1 at the rate of failure you would have spent over $1200 in replacing them, and still ended with just one mic system, where you could have bought and kept 3 higher-end ones working.


original poster here and yes, i see your point, however........
1 ---- the other audio technica i bought is holding up fine.   i think maybe the one that went out was defective.  
2 ---- i have never had my audio technica 200 series cut out on me even when the singer goes OUTSIDE and have never gotten a lick of interference from anything.  the bar is next door to a fire department and a radio tower, so i'm pretty sure i'd get some interference if that were going to be a problem
3 ---- i run a show on a concrete floor, not very forgiving to droppped mics
4 ---- my mics are ALL wireless meaning four mics X $300-400 per mic = $1200-1600 in mics alone on the floor if I spent that kind of money.  
5 ---- the shure sm58 also has a plastic body that can (and will) get cracked pretty badly if dropped

thanks again for al the input y'all!

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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:31 am 
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i will give you a tip with the AT 200 series, the receiver just does not like to be close ot another wireless reciver.  I have a slanted mixer case and if i put the shure rcvr on one corner and the AT on the other, they don't play well with each other.

YES, i have taken my shure and the AT both outside a building before, and it has not cut out

yes the shure tansmitter is a plastic body, the mic head is metal and it does detach from the transmitter.

I have had great customer service from AT, never had to use customer service for shure.  The original headset that came with my headset system sucked, so they made me an offer to get the upgraded headset at a cheap price


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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:08 am 
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As promised an update on the $49 dual wireless Mics.

I used them both days this weekend.  

Pro's:  
VERY inexpensive
Light
Decent sounding for the "average" karaoke singer
Didn't spend a lot of time worrying about them when in the crowd.

Con's
Little Muddy sounding at first - which needed a little extra EQ'ing
Very Light made out of PLASTIC.
VHF
Doesn't Sound like a $600 Shure Cordless for the PRO singers

All that being said I would reccomend for any KJ who needs a disposable dual wireless for that occasion or private party where you KNOW things will get out of hand.  I asked one of my regulars how he liked them and he said they were good.
( and this guys sings karaoke 5 days a week )  IF you want to see if wireless is for you --Try these out The entire set was only $49.  Are they as good as a $600 set from Shure ... Come one --- Who would even think thats why you would buy them
Are they a decent sounding DUAL wireless set up for some crazy Karaoke times.
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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:15 am 
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Since I only have a single mic wireless, I am curious.....

On a dual mic unit like this, does it have two seperate 1/4 outs, one for each mic/signal, or a single output for both mics?  Just thinking about how to integrate it into my powered mixer........

Currently we used colored tape on the wired mic's to quickly identify which channel to adjust, as needed, and would expect to be able to do the same..


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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:41 am 
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The unit I was refering to uses only 1 input channel for both mics.
BUT each mic has its own volume control on the receiver unit.


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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:49 am 
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very informative, Jam!  thank you!  i will seriously considering those given your input.  keep us posted on the Wear and Tear end of those mics.

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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:41 am 
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my first dual wireless used one cable to connect for both mic units... I found the one for each channel works best for me.


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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:20 pm 
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I agree Matt that is the ideal set up

I don't want anyone to misunderstand my posts --I am not trying to sell a $49 dual wireless mic for anything but what it is --A very Cheap wireless set up for those occasions or BARS that NEED some cheap BUT DECENT sounding equipment.

Matt
I've been looking at the AS990's as we've talked about how much you like them
I also had the 890's and like everyone else had problems with the battery compartment and them not holding up too well.   I figured I would give these Geminis a try for $49 and if I didn't like them return them.


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I just purchased 2 AKG WMS40 Diversity systems for a venue, and they are fantastic. I got the 2 sets for 379.00 for both at American Musical Supply. This bar was a bit of a challenge with a lot of interference, VHF didn't cut it. I have a set of Samson UHF Diversity Mics in my rack, but this venue offered me 8 dedicated channels on the board, and the ability to just leave a player, and mics installed and use their effects rack and PA. It two shows in a row, TH/F so it was worth the investment of just showing up with books, cds, and mics, and being ready to roll in 10 minutes. They say you get 30+ hours each mic on 2 AA's, I'm at about 20 hours on my first set, so it's a savings right there vs a 9V per night per mic which I usually average. Just my 2¢


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 Post subject: Re: wireless mics
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:13 am 
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those Gemini's are fine for speaking... but if you give them a through check out, even for "bar" work, they just don't hold up.

The AS990s are MILES above their earlier cousins; the 890s.

The battery compartment threads are better.
the receiver end is far superior.
I like the mute switch and the power switch on the mics... however some folks turn them on and leave it on with tape, and just control the mics with their mixer.

I had an antenna snap off, but was able to replace it with a rat shack twist on antenna for $5!


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