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I need >ONE MORE TIME< to ask for some help, if anyone is willing. (?)

As some of you know, I recently ordered a new karaoke machine & mixer.
(RSQ 333 & Behringer PMH2000)

Then, as some of you also know, my mixer was bad & I sent it back to the company & upgraded to a bit more expensive Yamaha mixer.

Well, alot of funny (*&#*^&@%&#$*&)........ maybe NOT so funny......... things have happened since then.

I sent the Behringer back, they received it at the warehouse, my Yamaha was SUPPOSED to be in stock & shipped that next day. This was a few weeks ago, mind you. I called repeatedly, and got the "Yes, we've received you're return, but the return department is backed up after christmas, so we will process your new order as soon as possible"....... blah blah BLAH.......

Just 3 days ago, I got an email that the Yamaha is on back order- they did NOT have one in stock after all. (#^%#%@*) SO...... I decided fine, I could wait a bit longer. Then I called back in, to be told that my $$$ had been refunded to my credit card.........???......... Which, to put it lightly, made me MAD.

Turns out, when I called back AGAIN (and got a person who seemed to know how to read the companies computer screens) my money had NOT been refunded yet. So, after listening to my husband rant on how "I was gonna get ripped off if I kept waiting"....... I told them "Fine, send me another Behringer if you have one in stock".

BEFORE you go there,  let me just say, I KNOW........ I ranted like a banshee on how I would never ever get one again. But I'm gonna take my chances that I just got a bad apple- if not, I guess I can always return it again. (but cast a prayer upwards for me, seriously, I have to think this one will be fine) I really wanted this one anyhow.

So, now that my story telling adventure is over, here is the  REAL reason I started this thread.......

I don't know if my speakers are proper for the set up I bought, and I don't want them to blow as soon as I crank my system. (because it WILL be cranked up a bit) I can't just get a new system and not see what it can do. Course, I wont be blowing out windows, but I want to get it nice & loud.

Someone- I think it was Lonman- mentioned in another thread that they might not work out, if I didn't have proper speakers.

I'm not gonna post links, anyone who is willing to help knows how to look up this mixer & get the specs. It's the Behringer PMH2000. (or PMX2000..... I guess they are called both by different companies??)

My speakers are cheapos...... but they are okay, they get pretty loud. They say "Max Power 125 Watts". So, is this mixer overkill for my speakers? I can't afford to go buying new speakers right now, but I don't want to blow these up right away. And I really am clueless about most of this stuff.

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Oh, and I PROMISE......... this will be the LAST thread about my new stuff.  :roll: Really.

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I'm sorry to hear about your mishap with the stuff you bought. Now, let's look forward and hope all get's better.

I finally found your reference to your new system that you bought (congratulations) but can't really follow the story. For some reason all your stuff is edited


Anyhow, I think the Behringer PMH2000/PMX2000 is a pretty decent system for home/pool party use. The speakers: you mentionedI could not find much information on the after a Google, so all I can say is be gentle. Without the specs on the speakers, it's hard to tell if they're goo or bad. Play with the system but don't overdrive your speakers. I know this is not exactly what you wanted, but it's the best advice I can give. Keep saving and when you can afford speakers, we can find you a match for the Behringer.

The power is probably going to too much for the speakers.  As they are "max power 125" they probably handle around 50 - 60 watts comfortably & your mixer/amp is pushing 180 watts into 8 ohms (only assuming your speakers are as well).  You could (and very likely to) blow them if you drive them over anything close to a below than average listening level.

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Thank you. In light of the "other thread" I just talked to you in, haha, I appreciate you coming here to help. You keep hanging with ME and people are gonna start thinking you're not so "Shy" after all. So....TY



Yeah, haha, well...... that was another of my "mishaps". You really don't want to read all the smut that preceded those "had to edits" anyhow. Except dang, I was actually mad enough to delete the good stuff too. Someone needs to learn to control their temper a bit.  :D  (I'm working on it)



Yeah, I think so too. Somebody who's word I trust suggested I get that one, so I did. Unfortunately the first one was a bad apple, but those kinds of things can happen I guess.




Well, unfortunately (again) I'm not gonna be able to afford speaks any time soon, unless of course my lottery numbers come up correctly one of these days. Mine really are decent- though not a big name brand. You ever hear of that "speaker scam" where men were selling speakers from the back of a van? Well, someone I know bought some, they sat in his garage, then when he moved out his mother sold them to me- still new in the box. $175 wasn't too bad for new speaks, and I had the money at the the time, so I bought em. "Be gentle"?????........ hahaha, okay- I'm sorry, I will SO leave that one alone.  :wink:

I will tell ya what my speaks say, but I realllllyyyyy do NOT know what info somebody needs to know. (and dang it all, I had this in another thread at one time!!!)

They are Acoustic Monitor 3312's
*Max Power- 125 Watts Program
*Min Power Handling- 5 Watts
*Nominal Impedance- 8 ohms
*Freq. Response- 35-22 khz
*Sensitivity- 92 db per Watt
*Digital Ready

And that's all they say. Oh, other than "Made In USA"........ which may or may not be true, and doesn't matter anyhow.

Again, thank you for helping. I will TRY to "be gentle" with the system, when it gets here. I have another 3-4 day wait for the new Behringer to get here.

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That's what I'm afraid of. As I said I don't exactly "blow out my windows".......... but I do like to make my noise. I can't stand to karaoke- or play live music- quietly.

Dang, I know me, I'm gonna end up blowing them. Then I'll be on here whining all over the threads. So, Lonnie, what are you saying.......... 1/2 volume or something?  :crying2:  Charmin basically can't do ANYthing "quietly". Really.

Thanks Lonman. Not the news I wanted to hear, but I do want to (kinda) know what I'm in for.

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I have had a pair of the same speakers, charmin, and they will blow if ya try to wail through them... definitely go slowly as you increase volume and listen for distortion... I used them for some mobile work in a pinch many years back and they worked fine for that... they also seemed fine for fairly loud music playing but when I started using them to play music and sing through, they just couldn't handle it... good luck and remember- blowing up speakers only gives you an excuse to go buy new ones...

It's nice to hear from SOMEONE who's had these before.
Tig, I ALWAYS wail, haha. But you know, my prior system got pretty dang loud too, I just didn't have a mixer hooked up before. I routed my karaoke player through a stereo system. (for speaker hookup purposes........ I was too lazy to rewire them)

I just don't want to start a song and hear music- pop- sizzle........ unless of course it's a Rap song, which I would never be playing.  LMAO

And I don't NEED a "good excuse" to buy new speaks, I have one of those- to go with my new system of course........ I can NOT afford them right now. That's why I'm so skeered.

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Just fer grins, who did you order the stuff from?

...anyway, everyone is right. They will sound plenty loud in a medium sized room when playing music alone, just don't boost the lows any....The problem will be when you add the vocals, so go easy there.

Believe it or not, too big an amp is better than not enuff just so long as you keep things reasonable.

I have a pair of 200 watt subs that I give a full 600 watts...I just make sure to filter out any freqs they can't handle and listen for overexcursion(which has never happened....They have survived just fine several years....If on the other hand I had underpowered them, the amp would have clipped and fried them quickly.

I'll PM that to ya. Last time I started a thread asking about stuff, and a company was dissed....... they zapped my thread off the board.  :fright:



Part of my problem IS...... don't snicker at my stupidity....... I don't really know what the low, mid, & high EQ's DO..... I just play with knobs until I get an okay sound. And the ONLY mixer I've ever messed with is the small non-powered one that is hooked up to my comp, that I record songs with. I think I am getting a pretty fair recording nowadays, but lord help me if anyone turns a knob on that thing- cause I have to go back to square one playing with stuff. (I dunno by sound WHAT knob needs to go up or down.......)



Again, dunno how. I'm really new at this stuff. I told ya before, I grew up playing all accoustic stuff only..... used mics set up by someone else. I've never had a "system" before.  Pathetic, huh?

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The mixer EQ associated with the player input?.....Start with all EQ knobs straight up....From there cut-not boost to Q....That's the safe way....I would suggest you reduce the lows as you go louder....The lows are maybe all you need to worry about til you get new speakers.

In this case you are not using the EQ so much for better sound, just for speaker protection.

Honestly, you probably won't be able to turn them up over 1/4.  My uncle bought those same speakers (literally) out of "the van" & he blew them up with his home stereo only pushing 100 watts per channel.

I would say MINIMUM, at least get the Peavey PR12 or 15, at least they will be able to handle the power better, aren't TOO expensive & for home use should be just fine sound wise so you can "make your noise"!

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Well while this is true, I don't think it will work in this situation.  These speakers only give a max handling capacity of 125 watts @ 8 ohms which means they probably only handle around 50-60 watts rms & continuous handling is probably even less.  Those speakers were a joke (sorry Charmin) & being that they are sold out of a van - the scam was basically my manager works at so & so & we are overstocked on these speakers & are basically blowing them out for this much $$ blah blah blah.  These speakers are basically no name brands even though they have a name plate, they aren't really a name, try to find that brand in any store.  
Normally you want an amp that pushes about double the RMS power which would be about 100-120 watts (if that max speaker rating is actual which it probably isn't).  The amp pushes 180 watts, not overly higher power IF the speakers were capable a little bit better to handle it - I can guarantee these won't at least with any kind of substantial volume.

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EQ - basically

Highs - control the "sparkle" of the sound like cymbals & high hats.  Extreme high frequencies of vocals & guitars.
Mids - control much of the vocal sounds & guitar tones along with the drums & keyboards
Lows - control the low frequencies like the kick drum & bass guitar, low (deep) voice quality

Look at a standard piano.  Divide it into thirds, the sounds in the first third would be "lows", the second third would be mids & the last would be highs - simplest terms.

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PM me with your shipping addy or get my email from Steven Kaplan.

I'll ship you a pair of these from MF...They can go out monday.

Product #600815

They ain't nothing fancy, but they will get you sqawking.

They are 100 watt RMS 12" with horns....They will work just fine on that dinky little mixer amp.

MF will let you trade up in within 45 days if you find something you like better.

Just call it a Valentine's Day present from all of us here.

Okay, so let me rephrase. I DO like "loud".... and would be in a pretty stinky mood if I had to karaoke quietly, for crise sake..... BUT "better sound" would always be MORE important to me than "louder sound". For home use anyhow. I don't like tweaky sounding vocals, I don't like to use much FX or anything. I really like music to sound natural- just amplified.  I don't want my voice to sound muddy, or too crispy, just to have it loud enough & protect my speakers. But I think I understand what you were saying.



A QUARTER of the way up?!?!?  :crying2: I mean, really,  :crying2: .
Well, honestly, since I didn't really get to "try" the Behringer, a 1/4 way up may be all I'm wanting anyhow. I dunno what 1/4 volume will BE on this thing. I'll have to see. I can contain myself though, and not just crank it to see what it can do.  :D



I agree, they were a BIG scam, and seems like the same lines were always used.... "They were overstock from a big job......blah, blah". But honestly, if faced with buying them again WITH this knowledge...... I'd make the same purchase. For the money I've paid, and what I've used them for, they have been great speakers.  I don't play much live, when I do, it's with my sisters' setup, and some borrowed stuff from a friend was used over the summer. They've worked fine for home use. I'm just scared the Behringer is gonna eat them up!!



Copied, pasted into wordpad, and saved on my hard drive.  :D  Thank you Lonnie.
And thanks Keith too.

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P.S.

I was reading the owner's manual for your mixer....you ain't goin to like this but you need special speaker cables....The mixer from what I can tell has only Speak-On output plugs....They don't say if they are the combo style Speak-On's or not.

If they are plain speak-on's, you need cables that have speak-on on one end and whatever your speakers require on the other end. If they are the combo type, you can also use 1/4"  cable plugs at the mixer.

If you want the speakers I offered you, they require speak-on and 1/4" cables as will most smaller PA speaks.

I'll chip in to get her what she needs ...i have pay pal and can transfer funds ...et me know if you need some dough keith.
Michael

Charm--why are you ordering all this stuff over the internet? There's plenty of good stores locally in PDX that carry the full range of DJ speakers/amps with knowledgable sales people who would help you mix and match a good system. Most have good deals in terms of cost, plus customer support. And there are a number of places around PDX/Vanc who carry Karaoke Machines(JVC) (RSQ).

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Charm--why are you ordering all this stuff over the internet? There's plenty of good stores locally in PDX that carry the full range of DJ speakers/amps with knowledgable sales people who would help you mix and match a good system. Most have good deals in terms of cost, plus customer support. And there are a number of places around PDX/Vanc who carry Karaoke Machines(JVC) (RSQ).

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT