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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:27 am |
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Yeah, but how about those of us that are telling the truth ?
It's one thing not to have the kids in your High School believe a fib, but if the actual composers of songs stood a chance against better known names who exploited their "foot in the door" status to lie to the public, do you think I'd be here with you guys after getting my due compensation for writing Stairway to Heaven, and Freebird ? I don't believe a 9th grader could write a screenplay like that. It wasn't until 11th grade that I got the idea for "Silence of the Lambs".
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Laura
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:01 am |
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Quote: Although there was one I found sort've bizarre... Kisses for me Save all your kisses for me bye bye baby bye bye don't cry baby don't cry ....Than at the end it goes something like.. Won't you save them for me, even though you're only three . Now I always thought THAT was a bizarre song til someone said, Sheeesh Kappy, It's just a cute song about a guy going to work thinking about his young daughter who he say's goodbye to every morning I thing the artists were Brotherhood of man and the song was "Save your kisses for me"
I used to sing that to my son when he was 3. Then when he turned 4, I changed it to "Won't you give me some more, even though you're only 4." ("more" in this case being "more kisses", OK??????)
Maybe I should start singing it to him again. He's 8 now. Let's see...great? wait?
(edited to say: Whoops--I just noticed I made another double-double posting-posting--sorry about that)
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Laura
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:04 am |
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Laura @ Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:01 pm wrote: Quote: Although there was one I found sort've bizarre... Kisses for me Save all your kisses for me bye bye baby bye bye don't cry baby don't cry ....Than at the end it goes something like.. Won't you save them for me, even though you're only three . Now I always thought THAT was a bizarre song til someone said, Sheeesh Kappy, It's just a cute song about a guy going to work thinking about his young daughter who he say's goodbye to every morning I thing the artists were Brotherhood of man and the song was "Save your kisses for me"
I used to sing that to my son when he was 3. Then when he turned 4, I changed it to "Won't you give me some more, even though you're only 4." ("more" in this case being "more kisses", OK??????)
Maybe I should start singing it to him again. He's 8 now. Let's see...great? wait?
Regarding Knightshow's comment about the reference to "candy" in the song "Vehicle" : When I first heard that song, I thought the word "candy" referred to...
...candy. Hey, I was just a little kid then!
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UncleFire
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:35 am |
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Some good commentary. Now that I think about it, it does make sense and comfirms "some" of what I thought. That is, the lingo of the era meant something different that what we may think today. Also, the background story on the song makes sense too.
I originally thought the song (vehicle) was about a "talent scout" disovering young talent and developing affection for said young talent.
Yeah, lyrics in songs can be interpreted many ways. Oh well--
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curet30
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:39 am |
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Hi UncleFire...
My story is a little different. I must have been 3 years old at the time. My dad used to throw house parties and he was the "DJ", master of the 45 disc player. Anyhow, one song he would play (can't remember song) was a "boo-ga-loo" and the hook was: BACKUP SINGERS "To the bush g-i-r-l" LEAD "Do it - do it - do it - do it !!!". I guess my parents thought I was asleep whenever they played their music until I heard the song at someone else's home and I SANG ALONG WITH THE HOOK . Needless to say this song was about a man sexing up a woman in the bushes.
Imagine the look on my parents' faces
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pkircher
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:38 pm |
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Ya know being a song writer myself I gotta tell you guys that songs sometimes mean nothing. I can't tell you how many song I have written where I just thought the words sonded cool together. Oh and the words to December by Collective soul are one of those songs. It means nothing I heard an interview with him just a few days ago he wrote it in literally five minutes in the studio while he was waiting for the other guys to show up, and when the other guys got there they thought the song sucked.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:35 pm |
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Quote: Hi UncleFire...
My story is a little different. I must have been 3 years old at the time. My dad used to throw house parties and he was the "DJ", master of the 45 disc player. Anyhow, one song he would play (can't remember song) was a "boo-ga-loo" and the hook was: BACKUP SINGERS "To the bush g-i-r-l" LEAD "Do it - do it - do it - do it !!!". I guess my parents thought I was asleep whenever they played their music until I heard the song at someone else's home and I SANG ALONG WITH THE HOOK . LMAO The song that you are talking about was from the female Disco Trio "Musique", it's their 1978 single "In the Bush" (Album: "Keep on Jumpin") Open this page, and click on the 3rd featured clip "In the Bush" This is a 30 second sample of the song you are referring to. http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/music/a ... 70,00.html Quote: Needless to say this song was about a man sexing up a woman in the bushes.
[strike]No plural[/strike] ! LMAO
. [font=fantasy] This has been a 70's flashback with Kappy Casem[/font]
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Babs
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:24 am |
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How about the song Proud Mary. I've been singing the Tina Turner version for
a long time. Then I was asked if I knew I was singing " pumped a lot of 'tane down
in new orleans". Now is that octane?
I sing a lot of songs not thinking of the meaning I just like the music. If some words are offensive to me I chang them. There is no rule in karaoke that says you have to sing the exact words on the screen.
The song You oughta know. I am not going to screem the "F" word, so when I come to that part I hold the mic out to the audience and they do it for me.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:02 am |
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This is how lyric's get distorted and changed to a person's liking over time. Here are 5 versions of just that one verse. Which one is correct ?
Seen a lot of places in Memphis.
Hogged a lot of playing down in New Orleans.
But I never saw the good side of the city
'til I hitched a ride on a river boat queen.
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Cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis,
Pumped a lot of 'tane down in New Orleans,
But I never saw the good side of the city,
Until I hitched a ride on a river boat queen
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Cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis
Pumped a lot of pain down in New Orleans
But I never saw the good side of the city
'Til I hitched a ride on a river boat queen
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Well I cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis, yeah
Pumped a lot of tanks in New Orleans
But I never saw the good side of the city
Till I hitched a ride on the river boat Queen
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Been a lot of places down in memphis
I umped a lot of babes down in new orleans
Had a lot of shots at good times in the city
Till I hitched a ride on a river bout queen
When I learned the song in Jr. High, It was pumped alot of tanks,
or pumped alot of Pain (I heard both even in 1970)... "Proud Mary" operated on Gasoline. So to me pumped alot of "tane", "tanks", or even Pain....would be correct
Yet someone will surely soon come out with a rendition, "tang" now too...
and as the result of this thread, in a few years, some band will likely
release
Did alot of playin down in Memphis
hump** alot of Po** down in New Orleans
never seemed to have the good times in the city
Til I met my guy he's the river boat queen
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timberlea
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:54 am |
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It's "pane" as in "propane" which is the most used fuel in restaurants which New orleans is also famous for.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:43 pm |
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That makes the most sense of course Tim
Since CCR wrote the song in 1969...
Their lyrics have likely been misinterpretted some of the time in transcriptions
as "Pain"
CCR lyrics state
Cleaned alot of plates in Memphis
pumped alot of pain (which perhaps is meant as "pane") down in New Orleans...
Yet "Proud Mary" was a diesel boat, correct ? what does diesel run on as fuel... Is
it propane ? I don't know...What is diesel fuel ?
or are we going to find out the Proud Mary was the Madame at the "House of the Rising Son" LMAO (or sun even)
actually "propane" in this case is likely unrelated to the fuel the boat ran on...
assuming he's claiming he "cleaned alot of plates in Memphis" and then "Pumped alot of propane in New Orleans".... and then he discovered Proud Mary the boat...
Is cleaning alot of plates in Memphis alluding to being incarcerated ? or a dishwasher in memphis ? who knows...
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Lonman
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:57 pm |
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ecerpt from wikipedia.com
The second lyric of the second verse has generated considerable confusion, and can be considered a type of mondegreen. Listeners have variously interpreted it as "pumped a lot of pain" and "pumped a lot of 'pane", referring to propane, which is commonly used as a fuel. The controversy was further fueled by Ike & Tina's cover, in which Tina sings "pumped a lot of 'tane", referring to octane, another common chemical used in gasoline. The author, Fogerty, finally laid the confusion to rest, saying, "Sometimes I write words to songs because they sound cool to sing. Sometimes the listener doesn't understand what I'm singing because I'm dedicated to singing the vowel, having fun with the word sounds coming out of my mouth. `Cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis, pumped a lot of pain down in New Orleans,' is a good example. I think Tina Turner sang `tane' instead of `pain,' as in a contracted form of octane. But I knew what she meant."
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:21 pm |
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Thanks Lonman, here are other commonly misheard, or misinterpretted lyrics to popular songs..
"There's a bathroom on the right."
"There's a bad moon on the rise."
Bad Moon Rising, Creedence Clearwater
"Excuse me while I kiss this guy."
"Excuse me while I kiss the sky."
Purple Haze, Jimi Hendrix
"Dead ants are my friends; they're blowin' in the wind."
"The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind."
Blowin' In The Wind, Bob Dylan
"Midnight after you're wasted."
"Midnight at the oasis."
Midnight at the Oasis, Maria Muldaur
"The girl with colitis goes by."
"The girl with kaleidoscope eyes."
Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, The Beatles
"Sleep in heavenly peas."
"Sleep in heavenly peace."
Silent Night, Christmas carol
"I blow bubbles when you are not here."
"My world crumbles when you are not here."
I Try, Macy Gray
"I got no towel, I hung it up again."
"I get knocked down, but I get up again."
Tubthumping, Chumbawumba
"She's got a chicken to ride."
"She's got a ticket to ride."
Ticket to Ride, The Beatles
"You and me and Leslie."
"You and me endlessly..."
Groovin', The Rascals
"Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble; tres bien ensemble."
"Sunday monkey won't play piano song, play piano song."
Michelle, The Beatles
"I'll be your xylophone waiting for you."
"I'll be beside the phone waiting for you."
Build Me Up Buttercup, The Foundations
"Are you going to starve an old friend?"
"Are you going to Scarborough Fair?"
Scarborough Fair, Simon and Garfunkel
"Baking carrot biscuits."
"Taking care of business."
Takin' Care Of Business, Bachman-Turner Overdrive
"Donuts make my brown eyes blue."
"Don't it make my brown eyes blue."
Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue, Crystal Gale
"Got a lot of lucky peanuts."
"Got a lot of love between us."
Let's Hang On. Frankie Vallee and the Four Seasons
"What a nice surprise when you're out of ice."
"What a nice surprise bring your alibis."
Hotel California, Eagles
"Hope the city voted for you."
"Hopelessly devoted to you."
Hopelessly Devoted to You, Grease
"I'm a pool hall ace."
"My poor heart aches."
Every Step You Take, The Police
"Just brush my teeth before you leave me, baby."
"Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby."
Angel of the Morning, Juice Newton
(some of these really have me cracking up)
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Babs
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:00 pm |
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I have to say I am relieved. LMAO
I'm glad it isn't the meaning this guy was referring too.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:07 pm |
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Seems there're always million's that know more about the nature of a song than the composer himself, eh ?
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Babs
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:13 pm |
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Yeah I think a lot of people will go for the dramatic negative meaning or look for a sexual meaning.
Do you listen to the words or the music first?
I tend to listen to the music and how it moves me and a lot of the time am surprised
when I actually learn what the song is about.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:16 pm |
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Here's a question I've always had.. I won't bother looking this up. Feeling lazy.
In the early 70's a song we covered was the Dooby Bros. "Long Train Running"
There was also a "term" that I recall the vocalist couldn't figure out...Yet he insisted the term was "Crawfish"...I assumed it was "Long Train" yet he said "That's not what Johnston is saying.
Down around the Corner
Half a Mile from here
See them_____run, and watch them disappear..
Last time I heard this song it wasn't a "Digital" recording
on the Vinyl it's tough to tell whether the term is
Coal Trains
Old Trains
Long Train
Crawfish (according to this vocalist)
(It did sound like Crawfish back in those days, yet that wouldn't have made sense)
(I haven't heard this tune up close since the 70's)
Needless to say, we spent hours drunk and stoned trying to figure out in what part of the country "Crawfish" was a term for a specific type of train car...
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:46 pm |
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Quote: Do you listen to the words or the music first? I tend to listen to the music and how it moves me and a lot of the time am surprised when I actually learn what the song is about.
Quite honestly, (and I believe I'm different than most in this area), I seldom hear lyrics.. I listen to melodic flow..I have a VERY difficult time memorizing lyrics.. I listen to the more abstract melodic, harmony and rythmic content..Probably because I started music before I could really talk (not sure)..Now with the exception of a few of the great balladeer's such as James Taylor, Harry Chapin, etc... In such cases the lyric's are tough not to hear. Some of these great story teller's tell their story using such profound lyrics and poetry it's VERY difficult not to hear the message...
Can't justify this in my case, or really explain it...It just is the answer to your question .. As a musician who's accompanied vocalists for ages, I listen for phrasing, song dynamic's and more abstract aspects than lyrical content in most cases....Perhaps like a dog, I'm trained to follow commands and cues without an actual awareness of what the "leader" is saying.. I've never been the "front man" (at least since I was studying music and had to give recitals), I follow the leader...just the accompanist..(who as the guitarist on occassion is given room to run free for short breaks same with piano or other improv instruments) Jazz is different, alot I do isn't lyric based....Some standards of course are, as is alot of the blues based "big band" or "swing" genre..as is cocktail or "light jazz" (as some call it)
A trio is one thing, in most cases my comfort is following the vocalist, or another lead instrument. I'm used to being behind the front person, having someone to follow, almost hide behind (at times it feels)
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Isis
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:36 pm |
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Have you ever been to the website kissthisguy.com It is a website of misheard lyrics....It's very interesting and fun...
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:01 pm |
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No, but assuming it's about music, and I'm not the only straight male there, I'll check it out ! Even if I'm not the only straight guy there, if it's not about Mondegreene's, I'm outta there....More room for you girls !!!
Hey Billy , meet me over at that site around midnight <giggle> It'll just be the two of us straight guys :party:
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