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i've got a pretty good idea, but i was never sure.

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All work and no play make Homer something something

During the Psychedelic era of rock MANY shock antic's were used to sell stuff... The Paul McCartney being killed in the 60's rumor sold MILLIONS of the later albums for the beatles, many of us Jr. high kid's spent hours spinning albums backwards listening for clues, it was a freaky time....Pretty scary, listeners in the states didn't know the truth for awhile...This type of awed-fascination with weird stuff DID in fact sell...



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yeah they use to say the same things about AC/DC and Black Sabbath albums.  truth is, yo can hear just about anything you want to if you spin albums backward.  kinda like EVP (electroinc voice phenomenon) in with ghost hunters.  they claim it's the souls of dead folks talking, but it's really just a bunch af garbled crap!
here's a link for research on EVP if you're interested although a search of EVP on google will turn up a myriad of believer and skeptic sites.
http://theshadowlands.net/ghostwav.htm

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All work and no play make Homer something something

I don't recall whether or not on Vinyl the companies could record a track or more in reverse, I think they could record certain things that would remain discreet, or wouldn't be too audible if recorded backwards on a record, but if you have a song such as revolution #9 (long filler version) ANYTHING you record in reverse on a track can be logical, because that 9 minutes noise of a song on the white album itself was just garbled noise...

Incidently that stuff DID have me going, I was one of the teenagers spinning the albums backwards ticking off the parent's who were afraid we were going to destroy their high-fi's....  It did actually say "Turn me on dead man" on the back of revolution number 9, also said "Paul is Dead, Miss him, miss him, miss him" stuff was weird.... When listening straight or stoned...

ADDED IN:

Still, at the VERY end of Strawberry Fields. Is the voice saying "I buried Paul", meaning vocally buried, or mix too loud ?   Was that another attempted "message" ?
or does the voice say, "I'm very bored" ?  Final sounds that can be heard on the song after the instrumental's pick up again, and than die down...


Keith, Yeah, You know this song... Think Blood Sweat and Tears style... and that last line is a give-away.... Song had a horn section too.. Sounded alot like DCT...One of the biggest hit's around that time in 1970 or 1971, He slow's that last line down...


I need ya
I want ya,
got to have you child,
Great God in heaven you know I love you. <------

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There're a few song's that I haven't a clue as to what the lyrics mean, one of those song's is Plush.  The other (since Cat Steven's was mentioned in this thread is Into White.)

What the heck does this mean ?

I built my house from barley rice
Green pepper walls and water ice
Tables of paper wood, windows of light
And everything emptying into White.

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Interesting thread. Love the song "Vehicle", but now ya' got scared to sing it again!  

Here's a song that I've alway's thought was just creepy with it's lyrics... Van Morrison's "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl". Have it on karaoke, but I'm not sure I've heard the actual song. Looking at the words on the T.V. screen made me wonder "What the heck was he thinking?!". Unless that song's about something "normal" that I didn't notice, it would be weeiiird to hear someone sing it. Hopefully it has a reassuring story behind it like "Vehicle" does.

Don't worry about it,  that song wasn't written by Van Morrison, It's an OLD blues tune written by Junior Wells (I think), and covered by more artist's than you can imagine, including some VERY well respected artists.... as I recall the lyric's even mention her boyfriend, so if an older bluesman is fantasizing about a highschool aged girl who's 17, or 18....to a bluesman in his late 20's, a late teens highschool girl would be "little"...  That's an old blues tune....picture one of the older Delta Bluesman sitting around singing that about a girl passing by who has a boyfriend..


One of the first bands I was with did that song around 1971,  and it had been around for years,  We covered the "Yardbirds" version which goes back to around 64-65...Most blues musicians have done that song...It's a popular standard,  don't have reservations about that song.

I'm not certain, but I think John Lee Hooker covered it, Clapton has done several renditions of it, Johnny Winter (I think) has done it quite abit, and the list goes on...

Junior Well's was like Muddy Waters, and worked with Buddy Guy and ALL sort's of bluesman, yet he even did stuff with the Rolling Stones & Van Morrison, so the rendition you do might be Van Morrison AND Junior Wells....He sat in with ALL types of musicians before he died in the 1990's...

"Little Girl" was so commonly used among blues and rock musicians alike in the 1960's, it's was just another way of saying "sweet heart", "honey",  etc... I'm quite familiar with "the oldies", and believe me,  I know of no song's that we ever thought of as being suspiciously "funny" in terms of what the concern is now by a few of you.....  

Although there was one I found sort've bizarre...

Kisses for me
Save all your kisses for me
bye bye baby bye bye
don't cry baby don't cry

....Than at the end it goes

something like..

Won't you save them for me, even though you're only three
.
Now I always thought THAT was a bizarre song til someone said,  Sheeesh Kappy, It's just a cute song about a guy going to work thinking about his young daughter who he say's goodbye to every morning

I thing the artists were

Brotherhood of man
and the song was
"Save your kisses for me"

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That's the indication of a good written song (IMO), it really means one thing but can be interpreted<sp> to mean what you think it means.  There are probably thousands of songs that are written to mean one thing but everyone else hears & deciphers it in their own way.  Ozzy Osbourne's Suicide Solution, it was brought up in lawsuits that he was telling people to kill themselves when it was actually  written to warn about the dangers of alcohol abuse & how it can kill you - written after the death of Bon Scott - AC/DC - died of alcohol abuse.  He had another in Paranoid everyone interpreted the line "I tell you to enjoy life, I wish I could but i'm too late" as "I tell you to end your life, I wish I could but i'm too late".  It's all in the interpretation & perception.  Some will hear the lyrics for what they are & realize what the artist is singing about, & others will take them in a completely non-related direction & morph them into something they aren't - such as Vehicle in this case!

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Yeah Lonman,  Remember all the rumor's that were flying about Phil Collin's "In the Air tonight" ?   How it was about the witnessing of a drowning ?


This is from Wickapedia.. There are other sources of course since rumor's were huge regarding this song's meanings...

Urban legend
"In the Air Tonight" is the subject of variations of an urban legend arising from the lyrics' reference to drowning.

The most common version claims that Phil Collins saw a man drowning but was too far away to do anything, but a man nearby who could have saved him did nothing. Other versions of the rumor claim that the drowning was not accidental, but murder.

According to the legend, Collins bought the man a front row ticket and sang it with a spotlight on the man. Again, depending on the version, either Collins had the man arrested, or the man was filled with guilt and committed suicide.

Years later, Collins commented on the legends about the song in a BBC World Service interview:

I don't know what this song is about. When I was writing this I was going through a divorce. And the only thing I can say about it is that it's obviously in anger. It's the angry side, or the bitter side of a separation. So what makes it even more comical is when I hear these stories which started many years ago, particularly in America, of someone come up to me and say, 'Did you really see someone drowning?' I said, 'No, wrong'. And then every time I go back to America the story gets Chinese whispers, it gets more and more elaborate. It's so frustrating, 'cos this is one song out of all the songs probably that I've ever written that I really don't know what it's about, you know.

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Okay, made it back. Thanks for the background Kappy... Just noticed that it was on my S.C. "Legends Of the Blues" disc, so that makes sense now. Love the sound of the Blues, but I'm not too knowledgable about many of the songs and artists, so that helped. Being born in the "banjo" side of this state doesn't help either

Think the part of the "Morrison" version that REALLY threw me off was:
"Tell your mama and your papa, I was once a schoolboy too-a"

Yeah, you're right Lonman, people's interpretation is an interesting part of the writing of a tune. Good points on "Hotel California"....I've additionally heard where it was supposedly about the "Manson" family murders, unless that's what the "Church of Satan" story was about. Always interesting where people's minds can go with that kind of stuff.

Forgot about that Phil Collins thing. Love the song, but it also seems like the MUSIC has kind of a "deathly" sound to it. Kind of "hauntingly" beautiful, I guess. The sound of that song could stir an image of suicide, drowning, etc...at least for me. Happy thoughts, happy thoughts, happy thoughts....

I'm just dyin' over here...

I've always interpreted Phil's song "In the air tonight" as being exactly that... ANGRY. The whole LP is like that. I watched an interview on MTV with him, and he said basically the same thing about it as above... that he was very upset over his divorce and separation, and poured it into his music. Which is why his next albulm was much easier on the ears and soul.

On another site, there was a lot of confusion over the Pat Benatar song "Hell Is For Children"... and from the title ALONE, little lost minds were just going apesh*t! It took myself and a few others to actually QUOTE the derned thing to relax these folks.

While I admit it's a great idea to read the lyrics and see if you know what the song is about, don't read too heavily into stuff, y'all. SHEESH!

He wasn't happy when he wrote it,  he was going thru a divorce, and that was the catalyst for the song "In the Air Tonight", He really didn't have much in mind when he wrote that song (according to an interview with him), quite honestly it's far from one of my favorite songs (but that's besides the point).


Hotel California in my mind was another drug and prostitution song, I never analyzed it...Thing is, I never saw the lyric's until I just looked them up. I've played instrumental parts to it, yet never listened that carefully to what the vocals were singing, or actually saying, and of course, having heard the song itself ton's of times, just got an idea in my head, and assumed he was saying something different than what I just read...  Never tried a karaoke version of this song. I heard our vocalist's singing the song, but quite honestly this is what I thought the lyrcis were...

Welcomely to the hotel California
Such a lovely place
Such an attractive face
there's plenty of room at the hotel California
any time of year, you can find it here

Her mind was defineately twisted, she drove a Mercede's Benz
She had alot of pretty pretty boys, who she called friends
?????????????????????
Some dance to remember, some dance to forget...

Half the lyric's I didn't understand, and contextually nothing made
sense either....So I just listened to the melody  and figured it was a
drug, alcohol, and prostitution song...

Now after reading the lyrics, those are VERY freaky !  Never thought about
this before not being a vocalist..I pay more attention to melodic content.

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How about Stone Temple Pilots song PLUSH. They make no secret of the fact that that song is about the fantasy kidnapping, rape, murder, and burying of an ex-girlfriend, yet people sing that at karaoke all the time.

Nirvana's Polly is also about kidnapping and rape, and that song played on the radio for a while.

The vast majority of people in this country can tell the difference between reality and fantasy, and don't act on their impulses, which is why you can enjoy a song like Plush and not have to go wacky about it. It is just the vocal minority (not to make this a political debate, but IMHO, the liberal wackos who thing people can't take care of themselves and need the gov't to do everything for them) that somehow things these songs (which have always been written and always been listened to without much tangible issue) influence people to carry out the lyrics.

Basically, if you ar a pediphile after you listen to Vehicle, you were a pediphile before you listened to it. If you are a rapist after you listen to Plush, you were a rapist before.

PERSONAL RESPONCIBILTY people!! F*** Tipper Gore...


PLUSH

And I feel that time’s a wasted go
So where ya going to tommorrow?
And I see that these are lies to come
Would you even care?

And I feel it
And I feel it

Where ya going for tommorrow?
Where ya going with that mask I found?
And I feel, and I feel
When the dogs begin to smell her
Will she smell alone?

And I feel, so much depends on the weather
So is it raining in your bedroom?
And I see, that these are the eyes of disarray
Would you even care?

And I feel it
And she feels it

Where ya going to tommorrow?
Where ya going with that mask I found?
And I feel, and I feel
When the dogs begin to smell her
Will she smell alone?

When the dogs do find her
Got time, time, to wait for tomorrow
To find it, to find it, to find it
When the dogs do find her
Got time, time, to wait for tomorrow
To find it, to find it, to find it

Where ya going for tommorrow?
Where ya going with that mask I found?
And I feel, and I feel
When the dogs begin to smell her
Will she smell alone?

When the dogs do find her
Got time, time, to wait for tomorrow
To find it, to find it, to find it
When the dogs do find her
Got time, time, to wait for tomorrow
To find it, to find it, to find it
To find it
To find it
To find it

POLLY

Polly wants a cracker
I Think I should get off her first
I Think she wants some water
To put out the blow torch

Isn't me... have some seed
Let me clip... dirty wings
Let me take a ride... don't cut yourself
Want some help...pleased myself
I've got some rope... have been told
Promise you... have been true
Let me take a ride... don't hurt yourself
Want some help?...to help myself

Polly wants a cracker
Maybe she would like some food
She asked me to untie her
A chase would be nice for a feel

Isn't me... have some seed
Let me clip... dirty wings
Let me take a ride... don't cut yourself
Want some help...pleased myself
I've got some rope... have been told
Promise you... have been true
Let me take a ride... don't cut yourself
Want some help...pleased myself

Polly said...
Polly says her back hurts
She's just as bored as me
She caught me off my guard
it Amazes me the will, of instinct

Isn't me... have some seed
Let me clip... dirty wings
Let me take a ride... don't cut yourself
Want some help...pleased myself
I've got some rope... have been told
Promise you... have been true
Let me take a ride... don't cut yourself
Want some help...pleased myself

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KJ, FL

Not necessarily,  I've also heard that he was high as all hell when he wrote that song and it's about possibly heroin, or coke.  Where does he admit to that song being about rape and murder ?  I tried to find the meaning of that song, and the rape murder interpretation is likely another urban legend... Not sure however...Have you read what they've typed in the STP site ?  It's pretty speculative


"Dog's begin to smell her"  meaning his stash, other interpretations are that this song is about nothing at all, and wasn't inspired by a murder in calfornia .

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Watch the VH1 Storytellers where Scott Wieland does this song acoustic. He says the song is about a little girl he knew when he was younger who was kidnapped, raped, and murdered. Then once he started writing the song about that, he threw in some metaphors to relate that to an obsessive relationship he was in at the time where this girl he was dating that he was googoo over cheated on him all the time. So it really is about both and the simularities between the two situations...

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KJ, FL

OK thanks,  If he admitted to it that's good to know.  I tried searching for the meaning to this song (because I like the song), and as of about a year or so ago, wasn't ever able to find anything, I searched the STP sites as well..

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And Kurt Cobain said in an interview about Polly:

"Polly is a true story about a girl being raped that I heard on the news. 'Think she wants some water to put out the blow torch' is about how the guy torchered the 14 year old girl upside down in his trailor park home with a blow torch, a razor, and hot wax. 'She's just as bored as me' was about the girl pretending she was bored and pretending she liked what the guy was doing to her. The girl did get away and they caught the guy the same day when he stopped for gas. 'She caught me off my guard, it amazes the will of instinct.'"

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KJ, FL

Polly I believe, although I wasn't a big follower of Nirvana, so I don't really know

Yet look at how many idea's there are about Plush...

The Song was written about a 14 year old Virgin named Lisa Marie Taylor. She said no many times (is it raining in your bedroom?) because she knew he was a no good two , three, four timing dog, but finally gave in to the Rock Star, 'cause she loved him. But he used sex, like drugs to hide from his true feelings for poeple, and by twist of fate...He fell in love with her, but she fell in love with sex,(Where are you going with My mask you found?) On prom night when he was going to propose to her, (And I feel it, and she feels it)she called him and said she was going with just her friends....(Now I see through the eyes of disarray)(when the dogs find her, will she smell alone?) The original lyrics went... "I'll just have to wait for tomorrow, to find out, to find out." The song is still painfull to remember, even to this day almost 25 years after I wrote it. Me and Scott where friends since 9th grade (1982) and I wrote that song and let him borrow it. P.S. He never once has said thanks either. Gabriel Ortiz


Funny eh ?

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....I think poor Gabriel Ortiz needs to sue for some royalties if he's the one who wrote the song and Scott Weiland "borrowed" it.

Reminds me of this kid in my HS in 9th grade who told all the girls that he wrote the original screenplay to "Scent of a Woman." The bad thing was no one believed him, but no one ever told him they didn't beleive him, we just played along, so he probably started believing his own lie after a while!!

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KJ, FL