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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:22 pm |
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Yet I'll never fly at full mast when in Europe !
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:25 pm |
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Keith, do you still have that Framus ? Some of those have a pretty decent Blue Book value. I have the Orion BLue Books on musical instruments if you are interested in knowing what the market value is now.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:52 pm |
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:00 pm |
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Keith01 @ Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:52 pm wrote: Steven Kaplan @ Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:25 pm wrote: Keith, do you still have that Framus ? Some of those have a pretty decent Blue Book value. I have the Orion BLue Books on musical instruments if you are interested in knowing what the market value is now.
Nope, it's gone with the wind,
I returned from Germany with that guitar in 1972....I ended up in Louisiana....I was dating a gal named Dianne Popoloski (a 16 year old polack with a really cute butt on her) when i joined the Navy....I left the guitar with her and never saw her or it since.....
Last i heard she was operating a bulldozer way down south louisiana and had 3-4 kids...I can see where she might be in high demand as breeding stock and end up with lots of kids, but never in my wildest dreams would i predict that a little gal with a butt like hers would end up driving a bulldozer....Her butt looked like you had split a basket ball in half and placed both halves side by side in a pair of jeans and then filled them with sweet thick jello.....She had it going on!
Check your book for me while I google up Dianne Popoloski.........Just for grins n giggles, what does a prewar Framus Valencia sell for today?...I remember it had hand engraved keys and the most beautiful rosewood back and sides....The lacquer/varnish finish was so deep the wood just glowed and the grain looked miles deep.....If you tapped it anywhere with a stiff finger, it resonated deeply forever.
The old man sold me that guitar for what would then be $117USD, I remember the price cause it cost the same as my moped....All us kids and most Germans drove mopeds back then....He made sure then to tell me it was worth many times that.....As a kid i never really appreciated it I guess, but at least i took good care of it while I had it.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:51 pm |
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Here ya go Steven...i found this:
http://www.framus.de/modules/frameset/f ... hp?lang=en
It all fits what the old man told me......My box was made just before the war and apparently it was handmade by the violin makers of Schoenbach, Germany before the founder of Framus, Fred Wilfer moved his workers to Bavaria in '46....That explains why "Framus" never appeared anywhere on or inside the instrument....There was only a carved engraving of several surnames inside, no lable....Framus, the name, didn't exist until '46 after it was relocated to Bavaria where Wilfer reassembled what was left of his craftsmen and restarted production of stringed instruments....Then they went bankrupt in the 70's and most records were lost...
This helps me understand why that old man was so serious about my guitar and why he acted like he was trusting me with it and not selling it to me.
I let a piece of history slip thru my fingers.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:23 pm |
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Goodnight Steven,
I gotta go to bed and face some ghosts.....Dianne, Pam, Framus, Munich...And lots more since.
Tonight has been kinda strange for me...It's brought back so many memories...I ain't sure all of them are good yet....I know I'm going to allow some to come back cause they are so special, but i'm half afraid of what else they might reveal.....I don't like regrets...I cherish the sweet times, but it seems I buried them to forget the bad times...I'm afraid of what might arise with the rest....I'm not good at missing people...i just bury them and move on...I ain't never learned how to look back....But I just discoved that i need to.
So wish me a happy holloween.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:31 pm |
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Keith, Framus went bankrupt in 1975, but they are going to be at the '06 Namm with new model's. It appear's the company is back in production.
Just got off the phone, let me look up the guitars for you, I'm curious myself
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:35 pm |
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Night Keith, LOL, as you were typing your "now I lay me down to sleep, unto my dreams the past ho's creep", I was looking at the Framus site... It appears that after 30 years (just like Hammond with the B-3), they're making a comeback... I'd like to grab a Travis Bean bass speaking of 30 years ago...Those were nice, for-runners of Kramer with the Aluminum knecks...but nice tone...Talk about an exploited market. TB owner's get HUGE bucks for those basses these days...
Chat at you tomorrow, hope you survive the nightmares ! LOL, take care Keith
Maybe what's her face will drop off the Framus in your dreams ~
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:45 pm |
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Quote: I let a piece of history slip thru my fingers.
As soon as my finger's could no longer secure my future gems, my parent's absconsed them (while at college, baseball cards from the early 60's-on thrown out) Comic books, ALL sort's of stuff, thrown away or donated..Glad I didn't have a Vox or Farfisa organ, or any stomp boxes that'd be a fortune today... all they got rid of was an old Doric organ... , yet even that cost me $300 back in the 60's, and to think my Gargoyle water gun collection ! Gilbert erector set, chemistry set...I suppose the GE 100 mw wakie talkies I can live without... Wine making stuff was intact. Fermentation locks, hydrometers, etc.... MIcroscopes and rock collections I still have, funny thing, to me the rock collection is still valuable, in reality for an adult it's nothing, probably worth a total of $5 bucks, but I still have about 400 45 RPM records.... Including that weird song "Timothy" and stuff like that...
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:47 pm |
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Steven Kaplan @ Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:35 am wrote: Maybe what's her face will drop off the Framus in your dreams ~
What's her face?....You mean Dianne Popoloski.....To be honest with you, I'd rather she reappear just like she was at 16 with that sweet butt of hers....I can always buy another guitar, but her stuff was special....Now, that's what dreams are made of!
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:51 pm |
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Steven Kaplan @ Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:45 am wrote: Quote: I let a piece of history slip thru my fingers. As soon as my finger's could no longer secure my future gems, my parent's absconsed them (while at college, baseball cards from the early 60's-on thrown out) Comic books, ALL sort's of stuff, thrown away or donated..Glad I didn't have a Vox or Farfisa organ, or any stomp boxes that'd be a fortune today... all they got rid of was an old Doric organ... , yet even that cost me $300 back in the 60's, and to think my Gargoyle water gun collection ! Gilbert erector set, chemistry set...I suppose the GE 100 mw wakie talkies I can live without... Wine making stuff was intact. Fermentation locks, hydrometers, etc.... MIcroscopes and rock collections I still have, funny thing, to me the rock collection is still valuable, in reality for an adult it's nothing, probably worth a total of $5 bucks, but I still have about 400 45 RPM records.... Including that weird song "Timothy" and stuff like that...
Stop crying Steven,
Your folks sold that stuff to pay your way thru college.....I was different....I pissed my stuff off on girls and paid my own way thru college.....Hey, at least we both kept what we learned, huh?
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:54 pm |
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Keith, years later if she's been working in construction, she probably has a beer gut, and that cute butt although still in shape...God only know's what she's into these days....When I operated a backhoe (for a short time) the brakes, and clutch was REALLY stiff and required some muscle, as did the stearing the thing.... I just can't see a dainty girl showing up after years of operating construction equip like that..
That is TOUGH to operate, takes muscle. She might be fun in a cat fight, however I doubt she'd want to have one with a male LOL Yeah, that shouldn't affect either one of us ever, we've both emerged from the closet, admitted we were Lesbians...
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:59 pm |
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Yeah, I'm not really crying, The folks had money Keith.. They got rid of my stuff because to them it was junk, same reason most mom's throw out their kid's dust collectors when they leave the house for 2 minutes....One of these day's I have to tell you about my adventure trying to ferment apple cider with bakers yeast, In those day's I knew nothing of fermentation locks, and common sense didn't exist... Good thing the explosion took place while we were away.... Glass impaled the walls, ceiling, etc... The guinea pig fortuneately remained unscathed... 5 gallon cider jug, filled 3/4 way capped air-tight
Quote: Your folks sold that stuff to pay your way thru college.....I was different....I tinkled my stuff off on girls and paid my own way thru college.....Hey, at least we both kept what we learned, huh?
Well, when I was in college there were only two things I lost that I don't miss, One was the Dan Electro Formica guitar with the mother of toilet seat pickguard, the second thing I lost, I think has found it's way home :( God, the night it got away, I spent about 3 hours in the shower scrubbing, I felt so cheap,,,Never thought I'd get used to feeling cheap, and making it a life-style..
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:11 pm |
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Steven Kaplan @ Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:54 am wrote: Keith, years later if she's been working in construction, she probably has a beer gut, and that cute butt although still in shape...God only know's what she's into these days....When I operated a backhoe (for a short time) the brakes, and clutch was REALLY stiff and required some muscle, as did the stearing the thing.... I just can't see a dainty girl showing up after years of operating construction equip like that.. That is TOUGH to operate, takes muscle. She might be fun in a cat fight, however I doubt she'd want to have one with a male LOL Yeah, that shouldn't affect either one of us ever, we've both emerged from the closet, admitted we were Lesbians...
SHHHHSSSSH!
I'm easing into a deep sleep....I want to remember her as she was at 16......Who cares what she looks like now....I don't do gals her present age anyway.....But I do chase their daughters if they are at least 18.
Steven, I got a confession to make.....My last wife is two years younger than my son....They went to high school together....He used to thump her on the head with his books and pluck her massive bra straps....He's 28, she's 26 now.....Stupid broad never considered that there have been 8 legal issues since she became legal or she would have done a better job at keeping me happy....Every year another group becomes legal....Why should i deal with anything past that?
See it this way...If vintage Dianne Popoloski appeared right now with my vintage guitar, which would I chose?...The guitar, cause the world is full of 40 year old women, but for some reason they just don't hold up like real wood and hide glue.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:21 pm |
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Ha!....1979, USS Tecumseh SSBN-628 Gold Crew...We are underway on a deterant patrol....
Deep in the ocean and not a ounce of alcohol to be had.....
So I grab a 5 gallon empty milk carton an a case of concentrated grape juice.....
Add a little yeast and sugar to get things boiling.....Configured a water trap to bleed excess pressure....In 28 days we had 5 gallons of grape hooch that was so strong and acidic we had to refine it....So I converted a huge coffee pot to boil the stuff and then rigged a long copper tube to recondense it.......Half the crew was drunk before it was discovered....And all they did was pour what was left down the drain.....We were so (@$%!) faced we didn't care.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:23 pm |
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Keith what's interesting is that ALL the bluebook list's for guitars that aren't electric, are archtop electrics, there's the Atilla Zoller, Billy Lorento, Golden Television, and Missouri, as well as Sorella model's (and more), I'd at least need to know ABOUT when the guitar was built, within 1/2 decade. ALL these guitar's listed have at least one pickup, so nothing note-worthy evidently in Framuses straight acoustic line... Might as well let her keep it...
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:28 pm |
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Keith, I made a white dry wine around 1972, and of course the alcohol content never got above 11.5% (or was it 10.5% needing to be at least 11 for dry wine, 13% for a sweeter wine ? don't recall) a dry white wine had to have at least a certain alcohol content assuming you wanted to age it, either that stuff was so damn acidic when I opened it 7 years later that I got sick from that, or the reason I couldn't move and was bed-ridden with the squirts for the next 3 days was that I got Botulism <SP>, I never drank anything I made after that point ! SHould've known the alcohol content not getting high enough was a red flag....MAN, I'd never been so sick before..I thought I was going to croak.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:48 pm |
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Steven Kaplan @ Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:23 am wrote: Keith what's interesting is that ALL the bluebook list's for guitars that aren't electric, are archtop electrics, there's the Atilla Zoller, Billy Lorento, Golden Television, and Missouri, as well as Sorella model's (and more), I'd at least need to know ABOUT when the guitar was built, within 1/2 decade. ALL these guitar's listed have at least one pickup, so nothing note-worthy evidently in Framuses straight acoustic line... Might as well let her keep it...
It was made before the Framus name was a lable.....The founder of Framus didn't use the name until '46 when due to the war he relocated what was left of his workers to Bavaria and it was there he had to have a name and actually form a company and be legal so he could get financing and all that silly stuff....
Up to then his workers carved out instruments that only contained their names and perhaps the name of the instrument....They made mostly violins and a few other stringed instruments.....My guitar was one of a very few they produced back then. Each was a one off production probably intended for a customer who had commissioned it.
Inside my guitar, all you could see was where several folks had carved their last names and the scrolling word "Valencia"
When I bought it, it was the late 60's....Everything in the shop was Framus.....The old man had to go in back to get the guitar....He insisted it was a Framus but that it was special....Now I know why....It was made by original Framus workers before they were called Framus and while they were located in Schoenbach Germany, not Bavaria....It survived the war unlike maybe the guys who made it.....
Go read the link:
http://www.framus.de/modules/frameset/f ... hp?lang=en
It all makes sense now after reading that.
Steven, WWII almost totally destroyed all of Europe....Very little survived...culture and crafts were very hard hit......Who knows how many Strats were burned, damaged or ruined then....Not only that, but the folks who made such were also destroyed or scattered forever......
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:55 pm |
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Steven Kaplan @ Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:28 am wrote: Keith, I made a white dry wine around 1972, and of course the alcohol content never got above 11.5% (or was it 10.5% needing to be at least 11 for dry wine, 13% for a sweeter wine ? don't recall) a dry white wine had to have at least a certain alcohol content assuming you wanted to age it, either that stuff was so acidic when I opened it 7 years later that I got sick from that, or the reason I couldn't move and was bed-ridden with the squirts for the next 3 days was that I got Botulism <SP>, I never drank anything I made after that point ! SHould've known the alcohol content not getting high enough was a red flag....MAN, I'd never been so sick before..I thought I was going to croak.
That, my friend is exactly why you boil and recondense it(distilling 101)...Brandy wine they call it.
Hey, did I ever tell you about Brandy, my past best friend's wife?....She was a guard at the local state prison....He and me were buddies til he caught us....The guy had no sense of humor....He still doesn't!
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:23 am |
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Quote: He and me were buddies til he caught us....The guy had no sense of humor....He still doesn't!
Well, the Kappy Komandments say stay away from friends SO's.... I was devastated at 19-20, I won't do to a friend what destroyed me for awhile. Killed just about every ounce of life I had in me..To this day my ability to trust, or get too close to anyone's shot... Two thing's I don't need, a woman I love *^(%()*& me over, or a friend *^(%*)^( me over, The two of them doing it together is unbearable, I walked into my first apartment and saw that, I also never saw the same world since that time...Some things aren't meant to be shared, assuming a woman I'm with doesn't agree with the "sharing" aspects of the relationship, I just stay distant...I'll share a few of my vintage guitars, not someone who I've emotionally commited myself to. I know this type of thing happens, grew up seeing it all around me in the *(%^*)(& ritzy neighborhood I grew up in.. I want to be able to trust people, I can't and won't contribute to the type of world I hate seeing around me....I'm about the least religious person anyone will ever meet, I don't believe in Karma, but I *DO* believe in "Do unto others", it makes alot of sense, I seriously doubt I'll ever *%^(^ over a friend, It's not in my constitution. Not saying I was an angel in the past, not saying I always realized it happened (I mentioned to you my past), but I will make darned certain I don't tread where I shouldn't be...I know I'm not a dog. I was, no longer...old middle-aged pig, OF COURSE.... Yet I'm no slouch... Well that's not exactly true, I can be a slouch and live by alot of the commandments, I made sure of that before accepting the 7 commandments as a way of life.... (or was it 5 or 8 of them) Dunno.... Need to surf the web one of these days....
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