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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:14 am 
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Hi guys i hope you can help this is my first post im based in the uk

im looking at buying some software that incorporates karaoke and disco, but what i want the software to be able to do is play the disco on the laptop, through the mixer and also do the karaoke side of things but i only want to display the lyrics on the tv screen and not all of the desktop that is on the laptop, is this possible ? if so does anyone know of any decent software to use ?

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try http://www.mtu.com I have been using hoster for 4 years now, and it works great.

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Does this give me the option to only put the graphics on the tv screen ?


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You need dual display capabilities....In display properties click on settings tab.. If you have 2 display screens then you do.. Next step is see if you have rca tv or s-video out..This goes directly to a tv monitor or channel 3 or 4 modulator..

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Dr. D @ Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:07 am wrote:
try http://www.mtu.com I have been using hoster for 4 years now, and it works great.

If you want to go a cheaper route and not need a separate player for your disco music try www.kjamp.com as it runs dual winamp instances for djing as well as KJing, it even has an easier search engine than Hoster and costs less than Hoster. It has everything you need to load your laptop in one simple download and installer.
you can print from the database created by the songfile names. I have been using it for over a year now and won't use anything else untill their all in one player is ready.
All upgrades are free. and you tell the graphic screen which display to play on.


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Thanks for the advice guys  :worship:


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There is no need to buy any software to run a Karaoke Show.  It can all be run from winamp for free using the CDG plugin for winamp.  The only thing is you will need to convert CDG discs to the MP3+G format to be ab le to play on winamp.  There is tons of info here on converting.....
[url]karaokeplayground.co.uk[/url]


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How does the UK get past their own laws on using computers for karaoke or regular music?


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its just for back up purposes we have the multi loaders there aswell  :oh yeah:

unfortunately my laptop does not have dual display i've got to switch the whole desktop to the tv screens :(


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a friend of mine used to use a piece of software that zeroed in on the karaoke window (or whatever you told it to use) and put THAT on the tv out!

I'll do some checking around to see what it is, and if it's still available.

But I heard even the backup situation over in the UK is strictly enforced.


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knightshow @ Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:59 am wrote:
a friend of mine used to use a piece of software that zeroed in on the karaoke window (or whatever you told it to use) and put THAT on the tv out!

I'll do some checking around to see what it is, and if it's still available.

But I heard even the backup situation over in the UK is strictly enforced.

KnightShow, then how is S&D being usewd in the uk being successfully used?
A number of UK KJ's are using it and have not been shut down as far as their forums have stated.   So I personally believe it's selective enforcement and not stictly enforced.


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DannyG2006 @ Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:44 pm wrote:
knightshow @ Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:59 am wrote:
a friend of mine used to use a piece of software that zeroed in on the karaoke window (or whatever you told it to use) and put THAT on the tv out!

I'll do some checking around to see what it is, and if it's still available.

But I heard even the backup situation over in the UK is strictly enforced.

KnightShow, then how is S&DA being used in the uk being successfully used?
A number of UK KJ's are using it and have not been shut down as far as their forums have stated.   So I personally believe it's selective enforcement and not strictly enforced.


1...If you are using a laptop, and it doesn't support "Extended Desktop" (one monitor for operations and one for lyrics), there are PCMIA cards that will allow the addition of a 2nd monitor/tv, and allow a screen for operations, and for the lyrics.  I have a link on my home computer for these cards, as I am on my laptop right now.

2...As far (@$%&#!) S&D (sax & Dotty I assume), that  is a program I use for all of my shows and is only a front end for winamp.  I basically creates a searchable database of the songs on your computer, keeps a rotation, and then ques and plays the songs for the singer into winamp.  It has noting to do with any copyright infringments.  

I am not sure how the laws are in the UK, but in the US, we are able to convert to computer based systems under the "FAIR USE ACT"  http://www.ipjustice.org/karaokefairuse.shtml

Also under US copyright laws you are abe to convert from an old out-dated system to something newer with out violationg copyright laws.  Such as if you had a cassette tape of an album, you are able to to convert it to a newer format such as CD or MP3, since the casette format is now out of date.

I am sure the laws are similar in the UK, as long as you own the ORIGINAL Cdgs, I doubt if you will get it trouble for converting and using them on PC based karaoke.


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wrong. Fair Use is only for NON-commercial. That part is clearly explained.

Those of us that convert do so by breaking the copyright law. Period. We THINK we have the right, but by that law you just quoted, we don't! Because we're being paid for it. We stand by the stance that we can because we paid for it... but there's no law that states we CAN. NOT as commercial entities.

Is it prosecutable? Doubtful, but if they EVER get their mitts organized, ya never know!


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knightshow @ Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:32 pm wrote:
wrong. Fair Use is only for NON-commercial. That part is clearly explained.

Those of us that convert do so by breaking the copyright law. Period. We THINK we have the right, but by that law you just quoted, we don't! Because we're being paid for it. We stand by the stance that we can because we paid for it... but there's no law that states we CAN. NOT as commercial entities.

Is it prosecutable? Doubtful, but if they EVER get their mitts organized, ya never know!

On that same matter even using the discs is illegal as a majority of manufacturers are not up to date with their licencing.   How can we as end users be legal if the manufacturers aren't.
You ever notice that most have a notice stating public performances not allowed?


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Danny,

the public performances merely is talking about the buying of the cdg is not covering the perfomers/songwriter's fees... any bar that has live bands or karaoke is paying a fee such as Ascap/Bmi/Seasac, etc.

as for the cdgs that aren't legal, that's only an issue if you make them yourself. If you buy through a retailer, it's the same as buying a cd from a store. The responsibility is not yours to ascertain that they're legal... it's the retailers.

I bought some DKK discs a few years ago and the legal estate of the Bee Gees nullified two of the sales as evidently, DK never paid for all their rights... the estate management for the Bee Gees said that the licensces were never secured, so the cdgs were illegal for public sale.

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