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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:08 am 
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I'm purchasing a new system with my tax returns...
I love to sing, so i'm a bit acustomed to the equipment, but could use advice on what to buy. Looking to spend under $1500...
I also was wondering, what is good amount of songs to start out with?
I currently have 3,000 songs for home use... but what am i looking at as far as professionally? Any advice would be greatly appriciated... thanx

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faded_tattoo @ Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:08 am wrote:
I also was wondering, what is good amount of songs to start out with?
I currently have 3,000 songs for home use... but what am i looking at as far as professionally? Any advice would be greatly appriciated... thanx


Quantity don't so much matter over quality.  Are these 3,000 of the most popular songs to sing or are they songs that you personally bought for yourself?  What brands are they.  A ton of Sweet Georgia Brown & NU-Tech quality disc sucks vs a good core of Sound Choice discs anyday.  A good show can be run with 1,000 carefully selected tracks, more is not always better.  Most shows i've seen that have "more" are counting the duplicates in their library which can sometimes add up to 1/3 - almost HALF of their library.  1 I know in particular advertises almost 20K songs & EVERY song is duplicated at least 1 time, often more.
It's not how many songs, it's WHAT you have to sing (whether people want them or not) that counts.

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There are many variables that is keeping me from giving a lot of advice. But Under $1500 isn't a lot of money to get started.  If you are intnet on getting started for that amount of money, I would suggest making a lot of purchases through Mucisian's friends. The type of equipment will make or break you, but some of the sound packages are good investments and have a pair of speakers, Powered Mixer (mixer/amp combo), speaker wire, mikes and cables, and speaker stnds under $800. What are you planning on using for your player? I would look for a pioneer twin tray as it is by far the most reliable.


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For home use $1500  can get you a good sound. This depend on, your room size and what other equipment you already have.

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Well what is the least amount i could spend to get the best sound for say a medium sized bar.... i really don't want to be stingy on quality too much... but i'm a poor little kj too lol.... so if you care to... give me some specs and details i can look at that are in this range.... not too poor quality and not too high a price...


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Yamaha Blem EMX66M 6-Channel Powered Mixer
6 channels
2 mono 300W amplifiers (600W bridged)
3-band channel EQ
Dual 7-band graphic equalizers
8 digital effects programs (echoes and reverbs)
2 aux sends (monitor and effects)
Phantom power (+15V)
Yamaha speaker processing
XLR and TRS input connectors on channels 1-4, XLR and TRS pairs on 5-6
18-15/16"W x 12"H x 12-7/8"D

Peavey 2-way 15”
Freq. Range - 49 Hz to 21 kHz
400 watt (800 peak)
8 ohms

Nady UHF-16 handheld wireless mic.


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faded_tattoo @ Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:09 pm wrote:
not too poor quality and not too high a price...


You can't really have both.  This is one of the biggest mistake new kj's make, 2nd is that they will buy for a paticular size room (usually too small of a system) & then when they get booked for larger rooms, find that their system lacks because it isn't big enough.  They also buy "cheaply" & don't know how to mix sound or the basics of their equipment.  Cheap generally equates to poor sound (as a rule - there are always exceptions).

$1,500 is not a lot for a pro-system.  It may get you a small mixer, speaker & amp package.
Something like http://pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl~waGroup1datarq~[waGroup1datarq]~eqint_KeyIDdata~35713~itemNumber~[item_number]~UID~2006010316461643~disp_IMG~Y~catgroup~%5BcatGroup%5D will get you the speakers, amp, cords & stands for $1,050.  Then add in a $100-$500 mixer with effects & basic eq (recommend Mackie CFX12 good quality, although higher priced) you could go with something like http://pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl~waGroup1datarq~[waGroup1datarq]~eqint_KeyIDdata~34234~itemNumber~[item_number]~UID~2006010316461643~disp_IMG~Y~catgroup~%5BcatGroup%5D @ $230, a Sennheiser 3 mic pack http://pssl.com/bitemdetail.tpl~waGroup ... 3PACK%2001 $220 & this will at least get you going for "decent" sound for the $1500 budget.  This is also expandable as your system grows.

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faded_tattoo @ Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:50 pm wrote:
Yamaha Blem EMX66M 6-Channel Powered Mixer
6 channels
2 mono 300W amplifiers (600W bridged)
3-band channel EQ
Dual 7-band graphic equalizers
8 digital effects programs (echoes and reverbs)
2 aux sends (monitor and effects)
Phantom power (+15V)
Yamaha speaker processing
XLR and TRS input connectors on channels 1-4, XLR and TRS pairs on 5-6
18-15/16"W x 12"H x 12-7/8"D

Peavey 2-way 15”
Freq. Range - 49 Hz to 21 kHz
400 watt (800 peak)
8 ohms

Nady UHF-16 handheld wireless mic.


The EMX66 is a little underpowered for the Peavey speakers (didn't mention the model can only assume you are looking at the PR15).  Even though these are on the low end of the Peavey line, you still need to push adequate power to them.  Since this is a mono amp, both speakers will be connected to the mains amp & will be recieving the 4 ohm rating of 300 watts.  This is still a little too little for the Peavey speakers.  They should have an amp that pushes at least 400 watts in reality.  
Not too big on any wireless mics other than Shure or AKG, however, if you plan on going pro, you'll need more than 1 mic.

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Lonman @ Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:11 pm wrote:
Not too big on any wireless mics other than Shure or AKG, however, if you plan on going pro, you'll need more than 1 mic.


audiotechnica makes a wireless that runs about $100.  it's a pretty good mic with about a 70ft range and good quality sound adn yes you definitely have to have more than one mic.  i use three wireless and have four hardwired backups.

as for a good system inexpensivly purchased, you can look for systems in the paper and such that a dj or kj may be selling.  alot of times, kj/dj will sell their old equipment as they upgrade.  i knew one fella who bought an entire system, CDGs, speakers, amps, player, cables, the whole nine yards for $300 at an estate sale (lucky bastard!)


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When I started my business I only had 1500 songs. I now have over 11,000 so be prepared to add songs constantly. It's a bottomless pit. The quality and variety of  music styles are important. You don't have to have a great number of songs to build a good show.
As far as equipement is concerned, I just recommend tat you get something that sounds good. You don't have to be fancy to start but if your system sounds bad, your show will suck.[/b]

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