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 What I'm wondering though is if there is any inherent difference in sound quality between the two.  

First time I heard that rumor.  Used to go there.  I know the family that owned the place.  It had nothing to do with them using CAVS units.   The owners sold the bar because they got an amazing offer on it.  I could go into it further but there's no need to.  Just thought I'd clarify.

Some of the family is still in the karaoke business and publicly supports KAPA.  They also still use CAVS units.

Oh yeah, and the name of the place was Starstruck in Plainville, CT.

All I know is there was a report to Kapa of having Sound CHoice on their machines.
Six months later every bar that had a Cavs unit that was bought from them had visits from Kapa.

No way could they close a bar for having Sound Choice music on a Cavs.

Number one I can legally buy soundchoice downloads and puy them on my Cavs and they advertise this.

Number two it is legal for me to copy the songs from my soundchoice discs that I purchased and put on my Cavs.

I have found the factory songs that come with the Cavs unit aren't good quality, so I put my own on. Yeah if someone is using low quality songs they will sound bad, it isn't the unit.

Lonman, and that's only if the unit even plays, I have seen them crash a number of times at one location and that was after switching between several machines.
Have also seen swipe problems- Most predominately on Sound Choice tracks.

What confuses the issue is there are reputable karaoke shops out there that are selling upgrades to the Cavs jukebox that replace the factory music with their compiled libraries with sound choice as one of the primary sources.

This one karaoke shop I am thinking of in particular is in Ohio. They are a huge seller of Cavs units and are hugely knowledgable about all things karaoke.
They even do internal work on the machines to upgrade their capabilities.

why feel stupid about anything you don't know??? NONE of us are born knowing the answers. What we do HERE and in other forums is ASK. We start out the investigation...

My ex partner started me out in a certain philosophy, and I stuck with it. I still feel to this day that my beliefs are the best for myself and the karaoke industry in general. BUT I didn't stop there... like you, I sought out others in this industry and maintained an open mind.

Still do!

By finding out the facts now, you're setting yourself up to support the karaoke industry, not hurt it. Start out now with the plan to BE legit... report the folks that are doing this with the CAVs machines TO sound choice. Unsure what all can be done at this level, but at the very least, maybe SC will work out a deal with you to get the discs that you "bought" and make it as legitimate as it can be! We've seen this happen in the past... it'll be a whole new investment for you, but probably not near what it would be to someone that just said "I want theses discs"...

Another thing you can do is demand your money back!! Pay the dealer for the player, but not for "a library"... if they charged you more for that library, that is. Report them to the Better Business B. if they won't make amends.  Cause they sold you something they don't have the legal right to do! When in doubt, ask the karaoke manufacturers themselves!

http://www.acekaraoke.com/mp3gplayer.html is where I see some good info on the JB99 machines... and I THINK that CB and THM DO have legit agreements with Cavs... but DK? No! The company is out of business! I've heard things about the others that CAVS asks about, but I have no idea if they're substantial.

Sure CAVS will tell you one thing. But if you go directly to CB and ask if the tracks are legal, they may tell you another thing entirely!

From what I have heard from MTU is that the reason they will "never" find a way to suport cavs version of MP3 or the SuperCDG is that the lisencing for the supercdg's they are selling are not paid for. The reason I put the quoptes around never is the fact that they said the same thing about MP3+G. Now if they are behind on that liscensing they may also be behind on the jb199 stuff as well.

I don't know what happened between you and Graham.  Yet what you stated was a lie.  Besides trashing Graham,  you lied to everyone in here as well.  Likely deliberately;  In the years I've known Graham Nicholson, he tells it like it is.  Despite your dislike for Graham (whether founded or not), I know him well enough to know that if your name came up (assuming he recalled you, or it was Graham you even dealt with, *OR* this story you are NOW telling is even true) he'd never denigrate you, or contrive a story to make his point.  Additionally, I have NO reason to promote Graham, and Graham has no reason to respect me.  He made VERY little money off've me.  I drank a few coffee's and diet cokes night after night, that's all.  He offered me live gigs as a musician (Graham played guitar himself), however being the lazy %&*$ I am,  I refused.  I prefered just hanging out trying to learn how to sing by shutting myself in a practice room at Starstruck (and hope some sympathetic 20 year old female bombshell would put me in a headlock, and jump me in the parking lot) :::::::::pipe dreams aside:::::::::   I never did get "lucky" at his bar  

I'll likely never run into Graham again,  he lives less than ten minutes from me.  I hope I do get to see him, he had a big heart, and was a fun man to chat with.

I respect Graham because unlike some in the bar business, he enjoyed people, DID NOT screw people (that I ever knew of, and we have many common friends) and strangely, he appreciated his customers as people, not just sources of revenue.  I never knew him to backstab anybody <a seldom found noble trait>.  He had money, he made it honestly, HARD WORK.  He liked to see people smile and liked seeing people happy (despite the fact he didn't have an easy life by any stretch of the imagination).  I knew him back when he was a Plainville cop too, and liked him in those days because he was a decent  honest person;   He did not "false advertise" birthday specials,  my guess is you haven't a clue as to who Graham is.  He wasn't a cheap person, nor did he rip people off.  I am defending him because he was an honest person in my eyes,  treated other's well  (throughout the time I knew him);  His family business DOES NOT deserve slander.  The lounge/bar shouldn't become the random target of someone's defamatory fantasies played out, and cheap vengeful shots because it closed years back. Similarly, it's name shouldn't become easy "dumping grounds" because an anonymous individual on the internet perceives "closed business" makes for a tougher burdon of research/refutal by those reading the lie, hence a rumor becomes much easier to launch.

Had you made up a lie at the expense of someone in "Karaoke Scene" that I had gotten to know over the years, (I've only been here about a year) and I spotted the lie, (assuming they were halfway decent to me when I knew them) I'd expend the same energy defending them (as I am Graham against your foolish "tale").

Regardless of how you rationalize this "DannyG",  You lied about Graham, trashed a family business name, and felt compelled to lie to all in here reading you.  Nobody here did anything to provoke your "tale". You were just asked to substantiate your claim regarding "KAPA shutting down a bar".  You felt it acceptable to fabricate a second lie to substantiate your point at the expense of a decent senior citizen, and fair businessman who closed one of his bar businesses almost three years ago to try to find some peace.  YOUR objectives being to make your lies appear credible, gain respect, bluff those in here reading you, and to trash a respectable local family and name.  Graham put hard honest work into what he built, and what remains. He earned the respect of MANY, and doesn't deserve to be implicated in such an unscrupulous, cowardly, and scurrilous attempt.  Graham Nicholson was perhaps one of the first in the nation to open a Karaoke bar and restaurant, that aside, he's an honest person.

Perhaps you should ponder name dropping obscure businesses when lying to substantiate a point in an international forum with many members.  You *might* succeed a few times,  or better yet         - Try feeling as though you can be interesting without embellishing your stories with lies, and having to be correct all the time

Always remember,  there're only a handful of people in here (if that) that know everything !