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Oh Yeah, I've google all of them. Every destroyer and submarine I ever served on is now decommissioned, tho. I've managed to connect with a few old shipmates via the web. Two have come to visit me, several still call to swap sea stories.

I've moved on past all that old stuff....I don't miss it, but I do miss most of the guys I served with. Lots of blood and tears lost back then by all of us. I don't want to remember them that way...I know you know what I mean.

I may have lost some hearing and gained few ouches, but I came home with the important things intact. Many didn't.


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Mine ended up getting sold on Ebay, didn't get much either  :(


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I know i'm a strange bird so don't be hard on me. On my karaoke music channel i use a bbe sonic maximizer, hardly any adjustments needed after that baby. On my mic channel i use a 31 band eq.

I have never had a smiley face on it, If its a tough room i usually have to tone down the right third a tinge to ease feedback.

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One bar i did for 2 years was heavily mirrored

One bar i did for a year had lots of triangles and columns


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I know i'm a strange bird so don't be hard on me. On my karaoke music channel i use a bbe sonic maximizer, hardly any adjustments needed after that baby. On my mic channel i use a 31 band eq


When I added the 362 I quit using the eq i tailor somewhat both bass and treble with the 362 have since added an aphex104..


My worst nightmare I went up to Laramie and installed a jukebox and sound system in a big hotel... The carpets were so thick I couldnt get any bass at all... I later on converted to a 70 volt system for other areas than than the lounge.. It was the worst sounding system I ever did put in.... LMAO

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:01 pm 
The BBE is a grin of sorts, so be careful how much you boost the hi and low ends.


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mroctober @ Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:16 pm wrote:
....I  used to allways run Flat (with my old Peavey X600G) and see others creating all kinds of curves and wondering why they cant sound as good as my system.



your 'old' X600G?   sheesh, I am using a Peavey XR600G now.  

I too usually run pretty flat on the equilizer.  The dealer I bought it from also ran karaoke, and recommended to always start with it flat.  I have also dealt with a dealer that handles a lot of live music with the same recommendation.  Of course, his other recommendation was to bring it in and trade up to more power, which is looking like a great idea....


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:05 pm 
One thang about Peavey powered mixers is they are honest about their power ratings. Peavey has always been honest in my experience.

You are right to start flat...and then listen as you tweek up.... especially on the low end.

Peavey built in a lot of forgiveness in their stage gear..

I love the guys.

I think they offer a powered mixer now that has 3 CS800 amps built in....That's a lot of power and flex for a small gig that runs monitors and needs reliability....It ain't cheap, but it's true power and reliability if one needs it.

I run three Peavey CS800S amps and I ain't never had the first problem...I have one bridged on my subs at 1200 watts and it reaches deep with great damping and offers tight bass....The other feeds two SP2 woofers @ 600 watts each and the last one feeds the SP2 horns......I have to attenuate the horns thru the Peavey VSXII crossover, but it all sounds real good at 120+ SPL's.

Those three CS800S amps and SP2's  and subs will cover a yard party anytime we want.

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I like Peavey too Keith.  Back in the days when the classic guitar companies were charging alot of money for guitars and amps, (prior to the days when so many decent imports were available), Guitarists, and bassist's didn't have all the options they have today for buying affordable passable equipment. Peavey produced a really nice decent tube series amp, the Classic 25, 30, and 50 watt tube amps, always rivaled alot of what Fender produced around that time, and these amps provided nice vintage amp sounds, great blues amps, and generally decent classic rock amps too. (even before the EVH endorsement times).... Also, Peavey turned out affordable Bass guitars, and guitars that were decent quality too... I've always considered Peavey to be a workhorse of a company in the guitar and amp related market.. Some people love to denigrate their products, but I find the reason's many use to be baseless.  They've been in the market a long time, and have hung in steadily turning out decent good quality products... Even during days that Fender's quality was questionable, and the Gibson Norlin days, when you payed alot, for questionable quality...I've always liked Peavey, and during the late 70', very early 80's they were an affordable alternative for even the pro musicians.  They have a history of providing good AFFORDABLE stuff for we musicians, over a long period of time.  They were among the first companies to make me question the point in musicians becoming "name" snobs, and having to have Fender, Gibson, Rick, Guild, etc. on the headstock of a Guitar in order to be happy with it's quality. Yamaha couldn't even produce a comparable product in the musical instrument amplifier market. (IMHO)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:47 pm 
You know Steve............I'm starting to like you.

Guys have to stick together in this world. They can't survive if they fight over women and other silly stuff...you seem to have the brains to go beyond all the silly stuff.

I bet you would make a great fishing buddy....and a life long friend.

You denegrate yourself in a lot of your posts.

But if I know you, it just seems that way.

Denegrate yourself all you want....I still respect you cause I know where it comes from....And I know how strong you really are inside.

You don't fool me.

I've shared pain and blood and heartbreak with my fellow Man...I've tucked a few in their graves.....And I've respected them all-the dead and the living, for the way they died and what they died for....Living Men die too, huh? They die inside.

I like best spending time with the dead...Who have somehow survived.....to bait a hook and laff with me at what killed me too.


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You denegrate yourself in a lot of your posts.



I just like to have fun, and I try to grab some anyplace I can.  I try not to upset too many people along the way, so I often resort to the self-deprecating humor as a safe means to be a clown.. I know what I'm not, I know what I can't do..I'm no tech, and I can't sing...Incidently I also suck at fishing, but I also give myself permission to enjoy things I'm not good at (just seldom in public).  

Main thing is,  I'm here to learn, and have fun, meet new people, but mainly to learn new stuff !  That's always #1 for me.


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                   stuff can make life miserable !

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I like best spending time with the dead...Who have somehow survived.....to bait a hook and laff with me at what killed me too.


Wow, Keith !    I certainly hope my sardonic glib is a few steps up from a wake.  Perhaps this stiff needs a different presentation  LOL  

(I figured the avatar of when I was alive would throw everyone off)


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your 'old' X600G?   sheesh, I am using a Peavey XR600G now.  

I too usually run pretty flat on the equilizer.  The dealer I bought it from also ran karaoke, and recommended to always start with it flat.  I have also dealt with a dealer that handles a lot of live music with the same recommendation.  Of course, his other recommendation was to bring it in and trade up to more power, which is looking like a great idea....







Yes I still Have My peavey System set up in My bedroom for Practice . I use my New Bose Personal Amplification System now     google it Bose L1 and Pictures of it in my pic gallery


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Keith01 @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:47 pm wrote:
You know Steve............I'm starting to like you.

Guys have to stick together in this world. They can't survive if they fight over women and other silly stuff...you seem to have the brains to go beyond all the silly stuff.

I bet you would make a great fishing buddy....and a life long friend.

You denegrate yourself in a lot of your posts.

But if I know you, it just seems that way.

Denegrate yourself all you want....I still respect you cause I know where it comes from....And I know how strong you really are inside.

You don't fool me.

I've shared pain and blood and heartbreak with my fellow Man...I've tucked a few in their graves.....And I've respected them all-the dead and the living, for the way they died and what they died for....Living Men die too, huh? They die inside.

I like best spending time with the dead...Who have somehow survived.....to bait a hook and laff with me at what killed me too.


Geez, why don't you take his address, then you can get together and cuddle  :no:

Steven Kaplan @ Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:22 pm wrote:
I like Peavey too Keith.  Back in the days when the classic guitar companies were charging alot of money for guitars and amps, (prior to the days when so many decent imports were available), Guitarists, and bassist's didn't have all the options they have today for buying affordable passable equipment. Peavey produced a really nice decent tube series amp, the Classic 25, 30, and 50 watt tube amps, always rivaled alot of what Fender produced around that time, and these amps provided nice vintage amp sounds, great blues amps, and generally decent classic rock amps too. (even before the EVH endorsement times).... Also, Peavey turned out affordable Bass guitars, and guitars that were decent quality too... I've always considered Peavey to be a workhorse of a company in the guitar and amp related market.. Some people love to denigrate their products, but I find the reason's many use to be baseless.  They've been in the market a long time, and have hung in steadily turning out decent good quality products... Even during days that Fender's quality was questionable, and the Gibson Norlin days, when you payed alot, for questionable quality...I've always liked Peavey, and during the late 70', very early 80's they were an affordable alternative for even the pro musicians.  They have a history of providing good AFFORDABLE stuff for we musicians, over a long period of time.  They were among the first companies to make me question the point in musicians becoming "name" snobs, and having to have Fender, Gibson, Rick, Guild, etc. on the headstock of a Guitar in order to be happy with it's quality. Yamaha couldn't even produce a comparable product in the musical instrument amplifier market. (IMHO)


Strange though, that the big name artists always have, and always will play with equipment like Fender, Gibson and Rickenbacker Guitars. Not saying there's anything wrong with Peavey, it's just that everything about Peavey is "nice", as you yourself said Steve. Myself I paid a bit more for the true classic sound of the VOX AC30TB, you just can't beat the sound combo of a true Strat and a Vox.


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Strange though, that the big name artists always have, and always will play with equipment like Fender, Gibson and Rickenbacker Guitars. Not saying there's anything wrong with Peavey, it's just that everything about Peavey is "nice", as you yourself said Steve. Myself I paid a bit more for the true classic sound of the VOX AC30TB, you just can't beat the sound combo of a true Strat and a Vox.


I like that combo too of course Allstar, and for certain styles naturally I can't disagree. In 1964 however, the JMI Vox sound was well known, Fender was (of course) a prototype (about to face the CBS transition), and both of these instruments were unaffordable to me, the younger guitarist (and MANY others too; these were expensive even in those days). The AC30, and American Standard Stratocaster are a luxury I don't take for granted. Reason being, this combo wasn't an option for me in 1964, just on a "wish list".  I wish Peavey existed in 1964,  If it did, I'd have been able to afford a "nice" guitar.  I had to settle for a Danelectro convertable and a Univox.  There weren't many options in those days. Peavey is 40 years old,  I wonder how things would've been had their first year been 1955 (and not 1965). Affordable and "nice" were tough to find as a young guitarist who grew up during those "classic rock days" you speak of. I struggled to afford my Hagstrom.
Fender Strat's, Tele's, J and P Basses,  as well as Gibson EBO's, SG's, and LP's were a gift kid's dreamed of in those days. Fender, Marshall, and Vox amps too.


Just a thought.


(Incidently, I too became a traditionalist. Around 1970 an excellent Jazz Guitarist in
my school sold his silver face Super Reverb and purchased a Peavey 8x10 stack for his Gibson Johnny Smith.  I thought he was nuts at the time. Wasn't until years later that I was able to admit to myself that I like Peavey, and would even consider buying Peavey myself). I wasn't quick to accept Mesa, or PRS either.  (Still feel Santana should stick with an SG)  LOL.  JMO

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AllStar @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:37 am wrote:
Strange though, that the big name artists always have, and always will play with equipment like Fender, Gibson and Rickenbacker Guitars.


Here's a list of artists that are Peavey users either guitars or amps.

http://www.peavey.com/artists/browse.cf ... istsAE.cfm

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and there're lists of Ibanez, Carvin, Washburn, Steinberger and of course G&L users etc. as well :) G&L turned out some spectacular guitars, yet of course so did Hamer, PRS, ESP, Valley Arts, Brian Moore, etc. Some of these were really nicely crafted guitars !

Does that mean these people don't own a few of the classic "Gibson, Gretsch, Fender, Rick, or Hofner" guitars/basses in their collections, "Classic" Guitar makes that were huge around the time of the British Invasion ?   Of course they own them (In many cases). Who doesn't respect the "Classic's" in their area of skill ?

They own them, play them, yet like Bettencourt, Vai, Benson etc, have endorsements, and do quite well with companies that design them signature models.

...and in some cases, (just as with the now imported lower end models of the big name guitars, or many guitars under the $500 dollar range) people are satisfied with better imports made in the "Samick" plant. Headstock just doesn't show them that LOL.  Tokai is a name I know nothing about.  I'm curious however.  Need to do some reading on who they are.  I should know something about them. I don't know much about them,  but like Electra/Westone they supposedly have decent knockoff's.
I'm curious as to what I'd see on the Headstock of guitar's in China, Russia, etc.  (Probably their own brand of guitar made in one of Samick's plants),  Importing Gibson, and Fender's higher end US guitar's is extremely costly for them, also not always possible I suppose.

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Steven Kaplan @ Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:37 am wrote:
I like that combo too of course Allstar, and for certain styles naturally I can't disagree. In 1964 however, the JMI Vox sound was well known, Fender was (of course) a prototype (about to face the CBS transition), and both of these instruments were unaffordable to me, the younger guitarist (and MANY others too; these were expensive even in those days). The AC30, and American Standard Stratocaster are a luxury I don't take for granted. Reason being, this combo wasn't an option for me in 1964, just on a "wish list".  

:rotflmao:  Steve, I couldn't agree with you more! Fact is, I have had the old VOX AC30 now for many moons, picked it up at an estate sale for $15, still working condition, even though the cloth was badly beaten up (by rats??? :shock: ) People didn't have the faintest clue when they told me, Aghh, just take it, nobody else wants this "old junk"
My first guitar,  :rotflmao: I don't even think it had a name, it was so cheap. Second hand at a pawn shop, around $3.00's
Now that I am older (a lot) and the kids are out of the house, I can afford the toys I always wanted as a young musician. My latest addition is a 2005 Strat. OK, so I have fun with it.

Point is, there's nothing wrong with Peavey, I just prefer the old fashioned tube sound of the VOX with the spring reverb. The Gibson guitars to me are just, not my sound. Maybe I should change my name to OldFashioned! Let's see if I have enough points :wave:


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Steven Kaplan @ Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:54 pm wrote:
Does that mean these people don't own a few of the classic "Gibson, Gretsch, Fender, Rick, or Hofner" guitars/basses in their collections, "Classic" Guitar makes that were huge around the time of the British Invasion ?  


Never stated that they wouldn't own & use the other brands, each brand & model has a signature sound of their own.  It was stated that Peavey wasn't used by "big" names.  There are several & some DO use them exclusively.

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LOL,  Allstar,  You should see the names on my "classic guitar" collection... LMAO
Here's the thing.  There might very well be a reason that you, and I have different preferences regarding Gibson.  Might even have something to do with the ten year difference between our ages.  By around 1976 after Gibson left the Kalamazoo plant, and went to the Norlin plant, their quality REALLY became questionable.  Yet in 1965 of course,  Gibson, Fender, (and of course at that time the NON-Fender owned Guild Acoustic lines) had amazing respect among Guitarists.  I recall in High School, we used to sit around in class staring at photo's of "The Gretsch White Falcon" :drool:    *THAT* guitar was over $1000.. LOL..  (At least in my New England location not many played Fred Gretsches guitars, and I always thought their necks were weird, as a kid...hehe..)  I liked the Rick 360, and 360-12, thing is, these were ALWAYS expensive during my day. When I was young this seemed to be pretty much what was going on (at least as I recall). You found as far as "Classic" use (besides the standard Stratocaster which everyone seemed to love in the Rock Genre)

East coast- Gibson Les Paul
West Coast- Gibson ES-335

For awhile, this was more common to see. Fewer 335's were being used here for some reason, Les Paul was the big East Coast fad late 60's, early 70's besides Fender Strat and Tele.

I'm thinking perhaps that Fender, and Gibson were the classic prototypes (to purchase) in the rock genre when I was in my teens. (Rick and Gretsch were already sounds of the past, IE.. The Beatles, Byrds, and they weren't as available as Fender and Gibson around my area, also didn't offer the "wail, or "howl" of the strat and LP or have enough "balls" for harder rock.) About 10 years later, Gibson had lost ALOT of respect.  In fact that 6 (or so) year Norlin period of production really harmed them. At around 1981, Gibson had their Sonex line, and Firebrand lines...Fender still (with the exception of "the bullet", had the Lead 1, and Lead 2 that were decent guitars, Amercan made with HB technology, and affordable)Active electronics on strat's was increasing in popularity, Strat was versatile for R&B, classic sound's, etc.. but few people were paying the $700 at music stores to get the LP, or 335;  For cover, and contemp styles during that period they were buying strat's, but Fender was starting to lose their reputation as the "classic amp" maker it once had been. Fender was getting into SS lines. Tube amp's were becoming much too costly to purchase, and classic sounds were becoming custom shop, or boutique lines, selling for $700+ for even lower wattage lines. Guitarist's were getting into newer make guitar's too such as Kramer aluminum neck stuff, and Gibson was falling even further behind. Ibanez was getting really popular, and soon Charvel/Jackson, BC Rich, Washburn, Epiphone for beginner's, and the day's of the "Lawsuit model's" were in, etc.. "Metal" guitar's were becoming the thing.. (Day's of the import's for the under $500 dollar electric had hit).  Fender always hung strong for guitars, yet started importing during the mid-1980's too, Japan, Mexico, Korea... and now all better companies started trying to hoodwink the buyer (unfortuneately) using their past reputation for USA lines, yet almost all started importing :(    Hamer, Gibson, Fender, PRS, Gretsch....they all have Korean makes now... Yet again,  imports are much better today than they were in the past.. Guild produced their "DeArmond" line of korean guitars, and the pickups are really nice, (they might've purchased the patent from Gretsch years ago for the pickups),  I don't recall.... LOL,  don't get me going on this,  I can yack away for years, I love guitar chat !! I too wished for these toy's when young, naturally had the "Kay George Washington bridge" model acoustic and I suppose in some ways,  have never gown up.

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