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Suzan you hit it right in the nail. The media sure has a way of distracting the American people so not to inform us about what the Bush Administration has been doing to this Country and is not only about the war. They try to jumble our minds so to keep us confuse and divided  :argue: by blaming liberals and democrats about not being Christians when they pretent to be their not Christians or even real Repulicans they are actually antichrist cause they do the opposite of what Christ teaches on the bible their out to control the world and the American people. While the media kept the story on Christmas going the Repulican house of representatives cut programs for the poor, student loans, medical so they could give more tax cut to the elite their base. they also down played The Bush administration big "F" they got for homeland security by the 9/11 commission. This Administration are a bunch of crooks and liear who have stolen billions of dollars from the tax paying Americans for their war machines they are war mongers who want no end to wars cause it makes them big profites at the coast of our American Solders. This will continue untill all the American people wake up and start getting really inform and involve so to inform others to make the right choices to change the house of representatives on the up coming elections so to impeach this Administration and hold them all accountable for their actions.

The death of Christmas started long before Bush got into the White House.

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So did the "Project For The New America Century" (PNAC)  read it. I advice everyone to read it. it's in the net. You will find their war mongering plans for the on going invasions all over the world for"The New World Order" at the cost of American tax payers and American lifes (Our Troops). Bush is actullay their puppet if you have notice. Their plans are backfiring and they are being expose for what they are. I believe we will overcome as  American people.

Hi Suzanne,

OK, if we are all going to be all so sensitive, then lets do it...

No more Columbus Day, very very insulting to all Native Americans as Columbus enslaved and murdered Indians.

No more Valentines Day, as India people are very offended by this, that we should have only one day of the year to honor love

No more Easter, and no Easter Bunny, that's another of those bad Christian days, that needs to be converted to the Holiday Bunny as well...have a Holiday Egg hunt...

No more Washington's Birthday or July 4th, cause these insult the English whom we revolted against...

No more Memorial Day (change to Beginning of Summer day) cause all the people who are against War are insulted that its participants should be revered and honored and that's a bad influence on our children....

No more Thanksgiving day cause vegetarians are insulted by the barbarous butching of all those Turkeys....

Lets just call them all "Holidays", and number them...

Holiday #1
Holiday #2
Holiday #3
Holiday #4
etc.

see, now all the sensitive people are calm now....

Damn, you are good!  I get to like you more and more  Logic, that's all it is, but do we have to use the word holiday? as in


I'm sure there is a sensitive connection somewhere, because holiday does mean

Main Entry:   holiday
Part of Speech:   noun
Definition:   celebration
Synonyms:   anniversary, break, celebration, feast, festival, festivity, fete, fiesta, gala, gone fishing, holy day, jubilee, layoff, leave, liberty, long weekend, recess, red-letter day, saint's day, vacation

See, you are celebrating something! So away with the

Let's just work and forget about those special moments we can share with family and friends, then we won't hurt anyone's feelings or be stepping on anyone's toes.
That's how to avoid a civil law suit.

Pines belong to the evergreen family   have many native species and have many uses... It used to be if had a tree on their property  they could call it anything they wanted...

Now one more sparse verbalism.... An Ash is an ASH is an A**.....We used to have Oaks in our nation's leadership...Where in the hell did all the ashes come from...

Choose a tree that you have always admired ... Sit under that tree 30 min a day and do some serious introspections. Ask that tree questions about things that truly matter.. Gradually that tree will subtlely put you on spiritual highs and teach you the natural and spiritual laws that governed in the beginng and will determine the paths and outcomes of souls, both good and bad and the evolution of this planet plus about 8 billion more...Then you will be able to see through the smokescreens and lies of those who think they can replace mother nature and Your God....And you will realize how most of these shenanigans are about as significant as 1 snowflake in a blinding blizzard... And how simple it is ..With that I give you all unconditional Love and hope all can develop spiritually during the next year at your rate and with your decisions not by selfish others..  This is what I mean when I say  "Happy New Year"

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Actually....

'Columbus Day' is extremely annoying to me as well, for MANY reasons aside from the Native American issues. As far as that goes, the Native Americans were probably the most abused group in our country, and much of the predjudice remains to this day.

'Easter' is just another one of those original Pagan celebration converted to a 'Christian' holiday (explaining why we have 'bunnies' and 'eggs' on easter). 'Holidays' tend to irk me in general, but at the same time, I enjoy an excuse to get together with loved ones, share a special meal and be 'extra nice' to each other (yeah ok, not always, but it's a nice thought). I don't think there is a way to appropriately solve these issues, but generally the best policy is to just celebrate the way YOU want to celebrate and give everyone else the opportunity to do celebrate the way THEY want to.

I DO agree that religious symbols shouldn't be displayed on public property (and Columbus Day should be abolished). heh

 :shock:  :shock:

WOW Heated subject - I respect everyones opinion even if I disagree. I don't think any of us would go out of our way to offend anyone. It just comes down to what offends you. I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want, just don't force it on me. In a public setting any religious or political object should be allowed and not discouraged. I may not like seeing the devil on clothing, but I don't have to buy it.

Peace on earth - good will to everyone

Merry Christmas - Happy Holidays  

I'm just trying not to gain 40lbs this holiday season  LOL

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I see DJLou couldn't WAIT to bring up Bush!! JEEZ!

Sybechick20 you highlighted a part of my post and presened me with a bumper sticker or banner type of mentality  I do not communiate wth cliques or  debate with sentences contrived by others   Do you have a direct response or are you of that mentality that lives in a fantasy world generated by the media and the the ones that think they are in charge?

I do not fear the devil or the evil ones for I know the truth and I see through your misconceptions and lies... I am a shepard of thrbflock  Do you show your ways or do you lie??? ....

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Again,  :shock:  :shock:

This is a 'reaction' to what you said, not an attempt at dialogue, but hey... I'll take it.

I was actually just expressing 'suprise' at your comment. I have 'communed with the trees' plenty of times myself, but it was a little odd to see a comment like that here.



Who do you communicate and debate with then? Perhaps we're dealing with a language barrier here, because I'm confused.



Sorry, but the only fantasy world I live in is the one created by my own mind and yes... I am in charge.



wow... finally, someone who can see through my misconceptions! Could you please clear everything up for me then? Life would be much simpler. I'm not really sure what a 'thrbflock' is, but it sounds scary... so please keep it away from me

My mind is still foggy from the weekend ....d  LMAO Dont take anything serial and try to read between the lines even tho they are wavering a tad...  What lines?  What band?

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oh darn... that's no fun!!!

Hurry up & recover so I can get all wrapped up in posting something dramatic.

It might take a couple of days  and alot of  :)

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Tim, it is very arrogant of you to say that you have to celebrate Christmas the way YOU think it should be celebrated, or believe the way YOU think, in order to be celebrating Christmas.  Christmas is an official U.S. holiday, not just a Christian one. Many people celebrate it who are not Christians.
I wasn't talking about immigrants...not sure how you read that into my comments. All of us in the US have roots in other countries (and I'm sure that's probably true in Canada where you live, too).  Unless you are a native American or Inuit, your ancestors came from eleswhere.  The point, though, is that there are many different traditions, religions, and beliefs in both countries, not just Christian.  To ignore those other beliefs, religions, and traditions and to try to force your own beliefs down other peoples' throats is insensitive and  rude.

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Auctionmusic, if you read my comments you'll see that I never said we should get rid of Christmas, or any other holiday.  In fact, I'm pretty sure I said the opposite.

You asked why merchants and others felt the need to put "holiday" instead of "Christmas", and I was explaining why.

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Suzanne, not being arrogant about anything.  You celebrate a gift exchange day, I celebrate Christmas.  Christmas is a religious holiday no matter how you slice it.  If you don't believe, you cannot celebrate the meaning.  You may act it out but has no more meaning than an actor playing a doctor or a cop on television.

BTW according to you state and church is supposed to be separate, so I guess the government should cancel Christmas and replace it with something else.  Only one big problem.  Both our nations were founded on Christian-Judeo principles, if there was true separation The Holy Bible would be thrown out government buildings, courts, legitslatures, etc.  As much as you may believe there is a separation of state and religion, you are sadly mistaken but you and people like you are trying.

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Ok pagans have always try to fool the children by trying to cover-up Christian holydays by putting a tree and santa in the celebration of Christ birth even though December is actually not Christ birth we all know that we celebrate His birth on Christmas day right. Then on Easter they have a bunny and egg hunt to cover-up Christ's sacrifice for our sins and His resurrection for eternal life for those who believe in Him. I guess pagans just don't want to be left out of any Holyday and they changed that too to Holiday. And why I brought up George Bush  and his cronies  Knighshow is cause his a pagan trying to say his Christian so to fool the Christian people for their votes on his last elections. He's nose has grown all the way to Iraq and there is no end. Well Merry Christmas or happy Holydays to all.

I'm glad we could lighten up the subject a little

No one has ever told me I can't say Merry Christmas. I've never been told I can't have a christmas tree or celebrate my holidays the way I'd like. One time I said Merry christmas to some one who was jewish and they said thank you, but I'm jewish. I apoligized and said happy hannikah.

Isn't this more about people trying to force their personal believes upon us? If we don't like a stores policies we have the right not to shop there.

Everyone has there own opinions. I don't take it as a personal attack when I disagree. No reason to get hostile when we disagree. My thoughts when reading these posts is, I now know more about that person.

For instance I can't spell worth crap  LOL

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