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 Post subject: The Music Lesson
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:48 pm 
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The following is an an exerpt from a post I made about a year ago.
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The first year of the sixties was probably about the worst time to go into the military. But times were good, a man or woman either one could work forty hours a week and support the family before the lawmakers convinced everybody that they were responsible for the economy. We had the best music in the world Johnny Cash E P and all in between. With two A M radio stations you could get the best country or rock. At two in the morning right after a drag race Shreeves Port L A was kinda good too.

The bands in those times were country that could rock and rock and roll bands that could play country but all managed to play a couple of gospels sometime during the night. They started setting up with wierd lookin geetars leaning against the amps and I dont know whether it was the booze or all the gals in tight jeans but god we rocked.

About four year later I found myself with about five other sailors in a little bar in France on the southern coast. We were yearning for Trader Vic's in Portsmouth and a band who could really rock doin Long Tall Texan and others. There was only us the barkeep and a few old Frenchmen who would pounce on the cig butts we were snuffin out and smoking them in their pipes.

An old man walked in with a very old violin and threw his tam on the bar which we found out was to collect the few lira for entertainment. Bobbie Darr, a Texan looked at me and said oh god we got to listen to this crap now. After a couple of songs I didnt have clue what they were, I said I'm gonna hit him with Wild Side Of Life. I walked up put a dollar in his hat and belted out You woodnt read my letter if I wrote yuuuo. All of a sudden I thought there was a fiddle player out Memphis or somewhere for he kicked in the best country fiddle moanin you ever did wanta hear.

We sang evey song we knew learned some Medditranean stuff and even when we were doin cattle call and yodeling and screamin even the old guys were screamin and laughing and crying..I sat down awhile to catch up on the drinking and he played songs that made me weep, laugh and feel emotions that one seldom ever feels. He opened our heart and gave our soul wings. It took one whistlin and a couple of us humming but we taught him Orange Blossom Special. I dont know what I'd give to listen to him play just one more time.

And when we were walking back to the ship I realized that my appreciation for music had changed forever. I dont hardly classify or put music in specific genres. If it's good it's music.
And it dont make any difference if it's comin out of a big array or from an old violin if it makes your soul fly it's music That old man gave me a music lesson.....


I watched the music awards the other nite and it seems like they are coming out with some awesome music nowdays...  I'm 65 and one of my favorites is Don't Cha by The (@$%&#!) Cat Dolls .. I sing tilt ya head back...I Really think old singers and song writers spirits are reincarnating or inspiring the song writers today...Am i just getting complacent or are the new songs awesome? Or am I getting more mature finally?

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Maybe it your musical taste.
I truely think todays artist have nothing on the artist of 1990 to 1995.

The whole world went to crap after the black album.


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and I think that the music from today has nothing on the energy and drive of the music from the 80s... yes, the lyrics were pretty simplistic, but that was VH1 and MTV in it's heyday!

I'll admit that the songwriting of the 90s was far better than the majority of what we are seeing nowadays commercially. I think the label execs are playing it far too safe due to their huge monetary losses and no longer want to take the experiments that they did in the nineties!


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Remember the song by the Buggles - Video Killed The Radio Star? Well that's what happened. Before MTV and VH1, people were actually required to be artists in order to sell, now-a-days, as long as you show your crotch, shake your arse and have negative publicity, you'll sell. There are very few actual real musicians out there today.


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Remember the song by the Buggles - Video Killed The Radio Star? Well that's what happened. Before MTV and VH1, people were actually required to be artists in order to sell, now-a-days, as long as you show your crotch, shake your arse and have negative publicity, you'll sell. There are very few actual real musicians out there today.


 I think ur right Allstar...  I am caught up in the visual aspects...  Maybe thats why some of my gal singers sing real good LMAO

 I think it really depends on if they can shake their booty in time with the music..

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Men Without Hats - "The Safety Dance" was rejected by disc jockeys all over the country. The VIDEO that their manager insisted on making is what brought that song to prominent fame. Suddenly the song began to get TONS of airtime on video AND radio.

The same is said of Wall of Voodoo's "Mexican Radio".


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I'll be turning 50 next month and my take is that really good music is getting harder to find.  I'm sure my parents said the same thing. I know from doing my karaoke that as new songs come out, some people of course will sing them but then after 6 months or so they seem to not get sung as much.  But you take songs that are even as much as 50 years old, and then get sung all the time.

For years I have sorta had a theory about music and maybe how it relates to the end of time.   :shock:  Hang with me a minute.  Best way I can explain it is; take the numbers 3, 8, & 7 for example.  There are only 6 combinations that we can "play" these numbers.   378, 387, 738, 783, 837, & 873.  Now relate that to a piano.  88 keys.  Never have figured up the math on that one.  But my whole point is, mathematically there are only so many possible combinations of keys that can be played until at some point there are no more possible combinations.

How many times do you hear a new song and think, "Hey, that sorta reminds me of such and such song."?   :drunk:  No, I'm not drunk or smoking anything.  I know we "mathematically" still have a long way to go, but I'm just curious as to what will happen......... when the "last song" get's written.

Been a long day at the office.  Think I'll go home.  lol

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Kellyoke @ Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:41 pm wrote:
Best way I can explain it is; take the numbers 3, 8, & 7 for example.  There are only 6 combinations that we can "play" these numbers.   378, 387, 738, 783, 837, & 873.  

Now relate that to a piano.  88 keys.  Never have figured up the math on that one.  


(x) n!              is the formula, t.i.
88 n! = 1.8548264225739843911479684564555e+134 combinations. Simple  :whistle:

Here's how it works, take the numbers 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7, thus 5 numbers
(x) n! is the formula
Thus
(5) n! = 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5
        =120

So with 3 numbers you have 6 combinations and with 5 numbers you have 120 combinations and finally with a piano's 88 notes, you have 1.8548264225739843911479684564555 E +134 combinations.


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[quote]For years I have sorta had a theory about music and maybe how it relates to the end of time.     Hang with me a minute.  Best way I can explain it is; take the numbers 3, 8, & 7 for example.  There are only 6 combinations that we can "play" these numbers.   378, 387, 738, 783, 837, & 873.  Now relate that to a piano.  88 keys.  Never have figured up the math on that one.  But my whole point is, mathematically there are only so many possible combinations of keys that can be played until at some point there are no more possible combinations.
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I swear I had the same thought's.......But never told anyone ...Just one of those Personal Me To Me Chats....And yes I think I actually was smoking something at the time,
Darn these Drug Test's...I coulda thought of a cure for Cancer or something by now.


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 Post subject: Re: The Music Lesson
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:16 pm 
So Karyoaker,

You too are a salty old sailor who has been around the world a few times.....I think it should be manditory that all young men experience same, don't you?...Heck, if nuthin else, they will learn to drink and fight properly, huh?

I retired from the Navy back in '93....I spent 7 years on destroyers and 13 on nuc submarines....I saw all the world, and kinda been there and done that at least twice.

It was all fun and I ain't had nuthin but fun since I retired!....

......You are most correct that music all the world over is perhaps the most common denominater ever devised.

Seeing as how you admitted you wuz ex Navy, let me list my former ships/subs and see if we have more in common.........Uss New Orleans, USS Bigelow, USS R.E. Byrd, USS Flying Fish, USS Tecumseh, USS John Marshal and USS Hunley.


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 Post subject: Re: The Music Lesson
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:27 pm 
Stop sweating it Kellyoke!,

Once they run out of musical note combo's they will do like Hank Williams Senior did.

Listen to his "Mind Your Own Business" and "Move It On Over".....Musically, the songs are the same, but both are very different cause the words each tell a different tale.


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Yea Keith right now I'm wishin I was retired  only gave them 9  60-69  the jane fondas had more influence on getting out than anything else..

I had the priveledge of serving under a Commander-In-Cheif who I loved with a passion There wasnt a sailor or marine that wouldnt do anything for J F K I was in the cuban blockade too... One of quotes (I got a poster that I copped from a recruiter a few years ago with this)  "Any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile... can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction, 'I served in the United States Navy'" President John F Kennedy

Iwas a FTM worked on the Talos tracking radar guidance radar (all tubes) and the guidance computer. Shipped over star with the conditions of 6 months "B" school and transfer to the West coast At the time I was aboard the USS Little Rock Clg4.  Towards the end evrybody had their sto's finally got mine the CO put in a request to transfer me back to the Rock which they did  So I served 6 years in her and got 2 years shore duty at White Sands Missle Range in NM  It was my downfall with Jaurez a few miles down the road...

Got out, got a degree or 2 worked on about everything with tubes, transistors and then chips in them....We sold the farm here awhile back still have a few acres a little mule mare and a little mare off an indian res. in Arizona.  Dont ride anymore the kids do tho...

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Ok, I am a little late on this post, considering we are now talking navy and not music   lol, anyway, just a comment on the old versus new generation of music. I wil be 40 later this month, I like a wide variety of music, old, new, rock, alternative, country, classical, whatever. But, my all time fav artist is Buddy Holly, who died about 6 years before I was born. So maybe that says something about the music of old.................Thanks for listening, or reading as the case may be.      Timbo

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