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okay, Tig was correct in saying that I'm grabbing onto one of TOQER's points on his "Reinventing the Karaoke Wheel" thread...

I personally think some accepted standards should be a model for ALL karaoke shows.

1.) Rotation philosphy clearly stated - we all don't have to agree with this point for point, but the fact that the rotation SHOULD be openly stated in the "rules of the book or venue", rather than done at the whim of the idiot pushin' the buttons on the cdg player. If you insert folks or add them to the end, as long as folks KNOW what they're getting.

2.) No Bribes accepted for preferred treatment -  Tied in with the above post.

3.) Karaoke equipment working in good condition - no Duct tape holdin' stuff together, damaged discs, books that aren't falling apart. Tied in with this would be the equipment and karaoke goods being "updated" and easy for the customers to use, such as the books having one section for new entries, rather than several pages with different dates of adding new songs.

I also think having a karaoke company that believes in growth with their selection, rather than a one-time investment and not having to be bothered to spend more money for the picky customers!

Your thoughts??

Oh great, let's have a whole thread dedicated to "I hate toqer"

Can a mod close/lock this one, please?

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

For crying out loud!  What did he say out of line????? I've apparently missed something.

Kelly

Good lord, it's what he does, it's his opinion, can't we just let it stand at that?  No need for everyone to be taking pot shots at everyone else.  That goes to BOTH of you.  Let's drop it and be done with it, you both have your opinions so let it stand at that.

It's like we're back in kindergarten.  "He took a bribe, no fair!  He's going to hell!"  "Teacher, the other KJ is making fun of me!"

holy hanna! I was asked to start a specific thread for standards, rather than tearin' your "reinvention" one apart. In no way did I mention YOU Toqer... but rather the fact that you recently are the one that's mentioned the accepting of gratuities for special treatment.

Good God! Get over it already. If I want to SLAM you, I will do that in public... nothing veiled...

SHEESH!

That Karaoke hosts use legal media in the legal way it is applied and intended and the legal equipment to use the legal media.

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oh gee, now THIS Pink Elephant stormed into the room!

You're the one who brought up standards and ethics, not me.

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Ethics? No I don't believe I did!

So you can have standards without ethics.  Yes I'm sure it's possible, but gives some illegitamacy to the standards.

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Knightshow.

You couldn't even wait a paragraph to mention my name in this. The gist of what you're saying is "toqers standards are no good, since he's not gonna post more in that other thread, lets start a new toqerbashing thread"

This thread seriously needs to be locked/deleted.

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me

Toqer, first of all, check the time stamp on when I started this thread. I DO believe it was done before your post. If not, I will be the first to state that I did NOT see your "not gonna post any more on this thread" post until AFTER I took the time to create this thread.

You're looking for a fight when there ISN'T one. Sorry if I feel that you taking bribes is not acceptable, but it's NOT to me. Others have stated this as well.

No, but you believe using an illegal computer system is acceptable.  I'll take the bribe any day of the week.

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 Gee?  I wonder why KJ's are having a hard time these days making any decent money?


Kelly - who now wonders if he can sing Saturday night after biting his tongue.

the computer is NOT illegal.

True I don't have a karaoke manufacturer's permission to convert it, but I DO legally buy the cdgs.

In their words I'm a violator of copyright.

Ooooooo such a horrid crime to legally purchase the discs thereby enhancing the karaoke manufacturers situation even 1 iota, yet due to antiquated and obsolete legislation, I can't professionally convert what I own!

Yeah, really worth mentioning there!  :whistle:

Computer legalities can really get sticky.  And I know that there is a big difference between Canada and USA in this matter.  My personal opinion is that having your songs on computer is ok AS long as you have legally purchased and own the originals.  However if you own 2 karaoke systems that you had running, then you must own originals for that one also.  In other words you can't run multiple systems off one original.

Kelly

Which is what I do. Yet Tim is a stickler for arguing the legalities (and he IS right on his stance!!).... what you and I and other computer users (even MTU users) do is "justify" our use. Doesn't make it legal, but it also makes an interesting scenario... what judge would honestly take such a case on?

Judge: You want to stop these people from converting to computerized karaoke?
Manus: Yes your Honor.
J: And they are legally buying your cds?
M: Some of them, yes sir.
J: The ones mentioned in this lawsuit are legally purchasing your materials, correct?
M: Yes sir.
J: And you're not out anything in profit due to this admitted crime?
M: With the exception of the occasional disc replacement which we will do for a minor fee, no sir.
J: You HAVE to be kidding me. You're trying to sue these folks without a monetary loss?

While I'm being tongue in cheek here, I imagine a very similar type of comversation with a prospective lawsuit... there is no monetary loss as a result of my computer crime... it's just that the manus can NOT give permission because they don't own the ORIGINAL copyright... the owners of the songs do. That means I'd have to get permission from all 15,000 songwriters of every track I own!

Yeah, RIGHT!

Try this

J.  You are a karaoke host

H.  Yes

J.  You use a computer with your music downloaded from discs you own

H.  Yes

J.  You receive money for your shows (commercial) and/or play in public places.

H.  Yes

J.  You are guilty of violating the US Copyright Act.

And that is that in a nutshell.  Until such time as the politicians change the law or the US Supreme Court strikes it down as unconstitutional, that is the law.  No matter how much you want to justify it it is illegal.  Remember their are people in jails or successfully sued because they thought their actions were justified.

I stick by my stance that a host who takes $20 to put someone up early is more honest than someone using an illegal system.  The system is against the law, taking $20 or whatever to put someone up early is not.

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In the US there is no law saying if it is or isn't illegal to run from a computer.  I think canada differs here.

Robin Gross of IP justice has a very compelling argument on how running from a computer would be considered "fair use" under US copyright laws.  Again, this is just her interpetation of the law, and there is no laws regarding its legality either way.

Again though, nobody to my knowledge in the US has been sued for running a show.

While pitching my product to a few karaoke producer CEO's, they gave me this interpetation.

"Since CDG has a video element like DVD, and it's illegal to copy DVD's, it's illegal to copy CDG's because they are basically the same."

Again, all open to interpetation of the law.  None of this has been tested in courts.  What we have is a bunch of folks taking the current laws, and trying to interpate them on their own to apply to CDG karaoke, when in reality there is no specificly written law for, or against PC based karaoke setups in the US.

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Living my life as Robert Cortese, 162 E. Jackson St, San Jose CA.

It's like the difference between high and low budget toilet paper, it really doesn't matter in the end. -exweedfarmer

Which is smarter? Just sticking to making/selling karaoke, while people all over the world create software FOR FREE that helps you sell it, or trying to compete with them and keeping it a closed loop while you blow your money into an industry (software) that you(the karaoke manu) knows nothing about?
-me