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Currently I only use 4 books, two have the songs organized by song title, and the other two have songs organized by artist.  I plan on going up to 3 and 3 for the next book printing I have as I currently seem to not have enough books on the floor.  How many books do you use and how do you have them organized?

Due to the amount of titles (over 20,000) we divide our books into Title and Artist, then divide again A-L and L-Z with new arrivals.  We print 15 copies, we keep two copies for company purposes and the other 13 go out on the floor, so there's a total of 52 physical half book out for the singers.  Here is a photo of them.

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Wowsers!  You must run a much larger setup than I do!

You can download my songbooks at leathcodjing.netfirms.com, but I only have maybe 9000 tracks.  The reprints I will be doing will have about 16000 tracks.  Just haven't had the money/time to reprint but always getting new CD's instead.  We do requests if they are not in the book I'll see if we have it on one of our new discs.  Hopefully the new books with all the updated songs in them will make my job a bit easier.

I currently use 10. Seven by artist and 3 by Song Title. Yes they are expensive to produce I recently replaced all of mine. $450 or around that for cost of sheet protectors, new binders, copies, and I used a entire ink cartrage.

We have well over 20,000 songs (with out duplicates) 30,000 (with) but it was a long process but well worth deleting all of the duplicates 300 pages is better than 500 per book.

So take the time to go though KJ pro create a custom Song book and grab a sandwich and delete all of your dups, it took my wife and I about a week to go though them all.

We have a total of 8 books , seven on the floor and one for me. Our books have three sections in them. New disks, By Artist & By Title. If we are just adding one new disk to our collection I will just add a new page to the new section. If we are adding several disks I will reprint the new section.  I am at the point now where I will be reprinting the books every 6 months if needed. We do our own printing with a laser printer so I'm able to keep the cost down quite a bit.

I can see the point of selectively going and deleting some dups because of quality. But if you have a SC , CB, Karaoke Bay, Sunfly & PHM version of a song which are you going to keep? I know it makes the books bigger but it also gives the singer a choice of which ver. for the ones that know the difference. I do at times get asked which ver. is the best and I tell them each has their pros & cons and this is the one I would try first. But I give them the choice.

I have a total of 8. 3 by artist and 5 by title. I have tried lately to do shows without songbooks, and so far it has turned out very well. I just pass out songslips and pencils. Have the customer put the title, and artist name down.... and of course their name. I can do a short searh, and add the sond to the list nearly as fast as if I had the bookid number. (computerized Karaoke).

I did a show this past weekend with about 40 singers, and it went really well.

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I use ten songbooks, dupes removed, dual columns, printed on front and back...

They have both the song title and artist in different sections. I've tried running it with song title and artist in sep books, and people freaked! !

The dual columns really saved a lot on paper... about half the pages... went from 120 pages to 63!!

My master listing that's printed on normal paper is 212 pages... transfers to 109 pages!

10 artist dual column format, 10 title single column format....20 total, 9,000 non-duplicated tracks.  My last reprint cost me a total of $250 which included new 1 1/2 presentation binders (got a KILLER clearance deal @ .75 each), printing (200 total pages (avg) per book double sided) & new sheet protectors.

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9,000 non duped songs now that's a selection.

Used to be.  Some of our illegally rigged competition are running upwards to 80K "supposedly".  They still listed dupes - some songs had OVER 15 versions of the same song listed & I still had trouble finding some of the songs I normally sing.

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At one show we have 10 artist, 5 song & one book with both for the host; at our other shows we use 10 song, 5 artist and one book with both for the host.

I recently removed some duplicates from the  books (with the exception of the host book) but did leave in SC, CB, THM....

I do our books on MS Works and don't know how to do dual columns  :(
I also use large font (we were just in Branson this weekend and I was the only one at the show that could read the font).

I print out the original, then copy it to two-sided on our copier at the office, they then go into sleeve protectors and binders.  I have watched discussions on the books that have no "protection" and are sp? duo-tanged sp?.....  Am closer to trying that all the time!

Susie  :)

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I run 10 binders with all song selections by artist in the front and by title in the back in 1 1/2 inch binders with sleeves.  The books are about 150 double sided pages.  I'm guessing a lot of your costs come from duplicating services Lonnie.  That was the bulk of mine, something like $.14 per page double sided.  

I realized quickly that investing in a laser printer would be the way to go.  I got one on sale for $99, and now I do all the books right off the printer.  The toner cartridge runs about $80 and I'll go through most of that printing a set of books.  Still much cheaper that doing the xerox thing at Copy Max.  150 pages at $.14 is right around $21, plus binder plus sleeves and you're looking at close to $25 per book times 10 books.  

So by buying the laser printer I've virtually cut the cost of my books in half.  Just some food for thought.

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I'm a lightweight - only 4,000 songs.  I run 12 books, 11 on the floor, one master that I keep with me.

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My last print job cost a whopping $159.11 for 10 "full" (artist & title) books consisting of aprox 400 pages printed double sided, then I just break the book in half.
Broke down per page it averaged about .03 each.  The biggest expense was the sheet protectors which broke down to 7.50 per 200 box (after 20% off coupon).  Like I said I got a clearance sale on new Avery 1 1/2" presentation binders for $.75 each (normally $4.50 each).  Each book themselves averaged about $15 each.  
I do have a color laser printer with duplexer (able to print both sides) & it's cheaper for me to have them printed from my source.

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So where'd the other $100 go?  You pay someone to put the things together?  LOL

In one post you said the last reprint was $250 and in another it was $159.

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$250.00 - $159.11 = $90.89
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Funny you mention my lack of math skills.  My students ask me all the time, "Why did you become an English teacher?" and I tell them that it's because I suck at math!

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Sorry Mike.  Ya can't use that excuse anymore :)  Everybody sucks at math.  I'm an engineer and I suck at math :)

Not true. You can only make that statement if you know everybody, and I don't think you do.

You callin me a liar LOL?