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What would you do?  Currently I use a triple tray, RSQ 333.  This player works just fine for me on my karaoke nights at the local pubs.  However, I'm starting to book a lot of private karaoke and regular DJ and Wedding gigs.  I don't have a lot of cash, but was thinking about an investment into the Numark N25+G.  My question about using the Numark on a permanent basis would be 1) My mixer does not have a crossfader, however if the two players are in two different channels couldn't I just turn the volume down on 1 while simultaneously turning the volume up on another and get the same effect?  If I can't, then it would be pointless to get this player and be able to do weddings.  2) Is the Pitch/Speed on the Numark the same effects as the Up/Down Keys on the RSQ?  If they are, then I can leave the RSQ at home on my regular-gig nights.
Thanx for the help!

---wallyd

I just changed from the JVC 303 (almost exactly the same player as teh RSQ 333) to the Numark n25+G, and here is my feedback:

The PROs about the Numark over the JVC are its ability to be racked (which looks very nice and more professional), its pro components (less skippage compared to the JVC, just overall better build).

The CONs of the Numark are the dual video outputs, which require a switchbox to run simultaneously on the same TV(s). Thus, if you want to have the video output from DISC2 run on the same TV DISC1 lyrics were just showing on, you have to remember to hit the switch on an external video switcher to do it.

The added feature on the Numark that is not PRO or CON in my book, but jsut differant, is that the pitch control is continuous instead of in steps.  You can go UP or DOWN 16 half-steps, but it goes on a continuous range in increments of .1 instead of going directly to the next half-step like the JVC. This could be viewed as good due to having more control, or bad due to having to actually dial in the proper pitch change you want instead of having it pretty much done for you.  Like the JVC, the Numark pitch change is really speeding up and slowing down the disc, also, which I know many KJs don't like, though I don't mind it at all.

I've been using the Numark for 2 weeks now, and overall I like it better than my old JVC, though it does take some getting used to as the way they work are just very differant.

Hope that helps!!

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C Mc
KJ, FL

For all you Numark N25+G users out there, I just found an video switch box at Radio Shack that actually automatically senses the video source for you and switches accordingly. That would make switching video sources on the player as easy as making sure to stop the other side before starting the new disc, at least I think so.

Someone more technically ept than me, check this out and see what flaws you can find with my thinking of what this unit SHOULD do:

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?c ... =15%2D1988

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C Mc
KJ, FL

I still do not consider a dual video out a CON of the unit.  I prefer it myself.  What is a major con of the unit is the lack of a digital key changer.
They just jumped into a karaoke market without really researching what kj's wanted by taking one of their dual disc dj players & adding graphics capability to it.

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If you  thinking about  getting some DJ only gigs one of the best purchases I've made was the stand alone Numark CDMIX1 ( same price as the cdn25+g) - Its  doesn't handle karaoke but the RSQ/ JVC 333 is one of the best players out there.  The cd mx1 one is a stand alone dual cd player & mixer in one - cross fader with instant start . very basic but GOOD
It has inputs so I hook my JVC CDG player into one of the channels and I can switch from regular music on chan2 to karaoke with a flick of a swicth and I get to control the volume of the JVC with the slider on the Numark.  Just anotehr option to consider.  I've also thought about the CDN 25+G and for the same reasons just a little hesitant about going that way. I do some private partys and play a lot of regular music ( when the rotations are very small) and find the absence of a crossfader and a digital key changer not to mention the added video switch  a con.

Good luck !

Thanks TopherM!

I need exactly that to auto/switch between my Pioneer and dual player Newmark.

We did try this  in store & what happened was (this was with 2 separate players).  It sensed the first player fine & I tried to cue up the second player as I normally would (have 2 separate cue screens for this) & it cut the video of the song playing as it sensed the new video signal coming from the other player.  Not very effective for a show.

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I've personally seen where the Numark players have spotty graphics problems, especially when you do the autocue feature.

But barring that, here's my comparison between the two:

Numark
* Dual rack mountable CD player
* Dual composite RCA video outputs for CD+G karaoke lyric display (needs an outside switch)
* Interactive pitch/search wheel with finger grip
* ±8/16% pitch control
* Auto cue
* Sleep mode to save laser life
* Digital output
* CDR compatible
Seen on Karaoke.com currently on sale for $254 WITH a 243 song pack (made specifically for them, probably off brand such as MM, or an asian import). It is normally listed for $399 there, but I've seen it on other sites for as low as $299 and one other today on sale for $269.95 with $18 S&H

The RSQ/JVC 333 (some sites have it listed as the 303 - not to be confused with the new DVD303 player!)
- Seen for as low as $255 online

* Triple-Tray Changer With Continuous Play Function
* 3 Microphone Inputs With Separate Volume Controls
* Digital Echo Control
* 13 Steps Digital Key Control
* Vocal Masking And Vocal Replace
* NTSC/PAL Compatibility
* Dual Voltage 110V/220V
* MPX Capability
* 1-Bit P.E.M. D.D. Converter
* 9-Step Programming
* One-Track/All-Track Repeat
* 10-Key Direct Track Access
* Multi-Brand Remote Control
* Bookmark With On-Screen Book Digest, Search And Skip: 9 Points Max Per Disc/10 Discs
* Cinema Shuttle (VCD)
* Spatializer
* VCD Version 2.0 Playback Control
* Multi-Picture On-Screen Display: Video Intro Scan And Highlight Scan (VCD)
* Slow Search

Now, I USE the 333 player in my shows. I love it so much I bought a second one! (I actually have the gold player, sometimes listed as the 555 player).

THEN there's the new NEO+G player
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The neo format is a compressed one similar to the CAVS, but I'm unsure on the science... I wouldn't mind testing it out at home initially.

NEO+G:

Also known as: NEOG, NEO CDG, NEO CD+G, NEO CD+Graphics  
NEO+G is a proprietary format developed by RSQ manufacturer. This technology allows about 75 songs on a single disc. Some karaoke sound track manufacturers have opted to produce NEO+G compatible discs. You MUST have an RSQ NEO compatible player to play an NEO+G disc.

NEO+Gs are equal to the size of a standard 5" CD. Lyrics to the songs appear on a TV screen when the disc is played on a NEO+G player and hooked up to a TV.

NEO+G just have the same sound quality and graphics as a CD+G, but they have more advanced functions for your singing pleasure. NEO+Gs do not include lead vocals. They only have background vocals and instrumentals.

NEO+G Features:

NEO+G disc contains many more songs than regular CD+G
The list of songs will be displayed on the TV screen
Search and reserve songs while playing
Reserve up to 99 songs to sing
Intro silence skip - skips silent introduction part of the songs
Rewind, Fast forward, Pause without breaking graphic
Access directly to the song you want to play

http://www.dbkaraoke.com/help/formats.php
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RSQ NEO-C320 Slimline DVD/CD+G Player (RSQ-NEO-C320)

Now ONLY $165.00

Designed for the budget-minded singer, this player adds Karaoke features to the well known RSQ 505G DVD video player. Features include dual mic inputs with shared volume control, digital key and echo controls, multiplex function and support for the new NEO+G Karaoke format!

Karaoke Features
Dual microphone inputs with separate volume controls
Multiformat: Supports CD+G, DVD, SVCD, CD, CDR, CDRW and NEO+G
13 step digital key control
Digital echo control
Multiplex function
Full featured remote control
Dual voltage support (110/230V)

DVD Player Features
Progressive scan DVD player for crystal clear video
Supports Dolby Digital DTS surround sound formats for awesome audio
Audio output: 5.1 channel RCA, digital optical AND coaxial digital
Video output: composite RCA , S-Video and component video
Full featured remote control

Benefits of the new NEO+G format:
Larger number of songs per disc than CD+G
List of songs is displayed on the TV screen
Search and reserve songs while playing
Reserve up to 99 songs in advance
Reserved songs are displayed on the screen
Intro Silence Skip - can skip silent introduction part of the songs
Rewind, fast forward and pause without breaking the on-screen graphic
A-B repeat function
Direct track access

(NEO+G formatted discs are required to use these features. NEO+G players will NOT add these features to normal CD+G discs. )

The disc pack made for karaoke.com is actually made by Priddis.  I got a pack when I bought my JVC single tray.

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in most cases, I'd agree with ya...

however the picture of the pack on this special shows the k.com image... and no song samples! I did get a priddis 280 pack song pack when I bought the jvc player the last time!

Priddiss could have an agreement with k.com, however. Didn't think of that!

Another very small drawback... I'll bet the Newmark doesn't have the Multiplex function.  I think I have a whopping 2 CDs that require this function, so not too big of a deal I'd just toss them out.

Otherwise, I think I'm going to give the Newmark a try...

Actually, another question.  My mixer, (Yamaha MG 12/4) doesn't have a crossfader...  Would I be able to connect to 2 different channels and still run a smooth show?  I would just turn channel 1 down while cranking up channel 2 for the crossfade/continous effect.

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---wallyd

Yep!  I have 4 players & a computer for transition music.  Song ends, fade transition in, call singer, make announcements, etc.., fade transition out, start next song.  Rinse & repeat!

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The main difference between the Numark and RSQ/JVC units (and was alluded to by Lonman) is:

RSQ/JVC has a key controller

Numark has a PITCH control

A key controller changes the key of the music to fit the singer.

A pitch controller is designed to slow down or speed up music to perform beat matching.

The pitch controller would be nice if you do a fast song so you can actually slow it down to get the wording correct.  If you change the pitch too much it can make the song sound funny though.  Think 45 rpm record played at 33rpm or vice versa.

If you opt for the Numark you'll need a key changer.  I've only seen 2 different external key changes - one by VocoPro and another by Fleco but I'm sure there are others.

I have an RSQ player and love it.  I'm looking at other formats right now though but the RSQ 333 will stay in my rack because it ques up quicker than any other player I've ever tried (RJ Tech 3700/3900, Coby, CAVS 203, and others).

K.com has the rsq333 on sale now with the 243 song addition for $269!

I just bought a RSQ single try at karaoke dot com ...also came with a bunch of disc's ...so far very happy with it.

Knightsow : thought you went totaly PC ? ...are ya still PC or just off and on?

I still use the cdg player, for my own discs if I have to (backup), or for customer discs... and sometimes they will still bring in stuff!

I also use it for playing mix music!

Lonman and TopherM have it right.  I have the Numark and it's great, but it doesn't key-shift, it just pitch (speed) changes.  I run the two audio outputs into separate audio inputs on a DJ scratch mixer with a crossfader, and only use one side for CD+G; the other is my background music, until I convert that to computer.  

But yes, you could simulate the crossfade effect if you want, and in fact, you shouldn't have to fade *out* a CD+G very often at all: if you press the "single/continuous" button to put it in single play mode, it will pause at the end of the track for you to load the next disc, and will be silent until you hit play.