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I'm going to post my songs for critique/rank again and noticed on some of my prev songs for critique/rank no rank appears, yet comments are positive and one states a 10 waz given, so why a no show on the rank column?...just a dash line. Or is it more than one person has to rank you for a rank to appear...is that true?

Just noticed that a certain someone listened to three of my previous songs (just the ranked ones out of 56 posted, most jff) and pulled my ranking down on all of them, on one song went from 9.7 to 8.8 (Lucy In The Sky)! Yet in each of the comments that waz left the commenter said "nice..." and that waz it. If you are going to rank lower than the going rank average, it would be nice to get a reason at least...geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz(voice dropping rapidly)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...  I won't "snipe" this persons subs, but I surely won't listen to anything from the person again...you can take that to the bank...

Russ

You're the second person I've heard complain about this.  To the first person, I noted that some people (me, for instance) do not consider a 6 or 7 a low rank, and therefore the comment may have basically matched the rank for them, even if a little more specificity would have been nice.

But if this person is just going around to every submission and making the same comment on everything, I can see how that would be irritating.

[edit] I forgot to mention that rankings do not appear until the submission has been rated by at least three people.

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I think the point Russ is trying to make isn't about the low rank, but about the fact that if you rank lower than a 10, you should give the specific reasons as to what made you choose the rank.

I strive for "perfection" in all of my subs.  To me, song perfection means that to my ear, I like what I'm hearing.  That doesn't mean I sub it expecting to be ranked a 9 or 10, but if that be the case, so be it.  But if I get 10 comments, each one saying "great job, wonderful, fantastic, better than the original....etc" yet I see my rank is 8.8, I'd like to know what fault they heard that caused them to lower it.  That way I could go back and listen and possibly fix the problem.  

It is irritating as hell when you are not being told what is wrong.

JMHO
Jason

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Some people comment but don't rank (not me, I always do both).

Everyone has their own way of doing things and their own standards about the rankings, so it's best to just be happy if you got a good one but otherwise ignore them my opinion, of course!

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[color=chocolate]  :wave:  :wave:  Hi there Russ...I know exactly where you are coming from..I had the same "nice" and it lowered my racking heaps...I dont not think I am a 10 I am usually around a 7 to 9 with my songs...I really work hard to get them sounding just as perfect as I can...and as Jason said...its nice to know what you are doing wrong...for a nice he/she must have marked it under a 5 to make the ranking go down so much *asked hubby to do the maths* .

I am called a fluffy commentor...and I am proud of that...I love to hear people sing and I love it more if they sing from the heart...cause thats how I will rank your sub..I dont know much about mixing or music at all..so my input is on how beautifully you sing the song..if you touch my heart I will give you a 10 every time...you have to have a mixture of rankers...we all have different talents...mine is to come listen and see how much heart and soul goes into each song....I will let someone else go with the pitch and the techy stuff...

Russ I am sorry you have had to go through this as well..but we a tough...and can just ignore the badies...there is always gonna be some...you need to have 3 people rank your song before it counts...keep on rockin my friend...and I will keep on listening...

cheers Melodie    :hi5: [/color]

QUESTION:

If a person makes a comment, and doesn't notice the little rank button on the bottom of the screen, and select a rank. Does it lower the ranking of the submission?

If it does shouldn't it not count if it does. Because I am guilty of not ranking because i didn't notice the button on.

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If you don't select a rank with your comment, it does not affect the rank of the song.

Thanks......

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guys...
http://www.knightshow.com/rank
Look at the descriptions...

NICE would mean to me an average, or slightly above average ranking. And there's NOTHING wrong with that.

This obsession of the 10 rank is just funny. an 8.8 is STILL "very good" to "near perfection"!!!!!

Let's stop with the fantasy element a bit and accept that the rankings CAN be a reflection not of snipers, but of reality!

For some reason...(thought I had read it somewhere) that 5 people had to rank you before you got a ranking.   I always put mine up for ranking and on one of my recent ones I had 8 comments but no ranking.  At least 3 of these people I know always give a ranking, one I know doesn't rank, and not sure about the other 4.  Out of these 8 it's hard to believe that 3 didn't rank.  But maybe not.

I'm kinda like Melodie (Mezza).  I guess I'm pretty "fluffy" with my commenting and ranking.  And I usually will rank if I comment.   There have been a few times when I didn't rank with a comment and the reason being......this person may have a 10 or a high 9 going on and the song just didn't hit me as that perfect for some reason even though I may have liked the song.  So to keep their ranking from coming down...I didn't rank.  Alot of times in this instance....it's something that I can't really put my finger on why I didn't think it was as good as everyone else did.  But apparently the others are really liking it so I just leave the rank out.  

I also have to agree with Knightshow's post.  Where we would all love to be perfect the reality is none of us are.   And there is nothing wrong with being "average" or above.  Where we are sometimes our worst critic sometimes we are our best "fan" also.  I have listened to a lot of subs on here since I joined and I don't think I've heard one person who deserves a 10 on every sub they put up even though they have put some up that do deserve the 10.   That's not even reality to think that you will always get a 10 or are deserving of it.    

The ranking is always so surprising to me anyway........I have held on to one "10" for a few days...(it may be gone by now...) and this was on a song that I had in a "delete or redo" folder and decided to go on and put it up for lack of having anything new to sub that day.  And this is the only one I've held on to for this long. But I've been more than satisfied with the ranks I have received.  I was proud of the 8's and 7's.  Those are nothing to be ashamed of.  

Also some people's train of thought amuses me.   Let me share this one that was on one of my recent subs:
"I love country, but I don't recognize this song....but you sound so professional that it's gotta be perfect...but since I'm not sure, I'mma give you a Near Profection...personally tho I'd say Perfect Performance"

Now.....how could you not laugh at this?  I thought it was sooo funny.  Did I think the sub was perfect?  No......far from it.  Did this hurt my feelings?  No.....Not at all.   Did I think this was constructive critisism?   No.....but it was cute!  

I guess I'm just trying to say........don't take all of this so serious.  Have fun!  And if you are someone who is seriously trying to get into the music business....this is a good place to do practice and get some good feedback (also expect some not so good feedback)  but don't take it as professional opinions because you may get a 10 on here but a record producer might throw you out of the office or vice versa.

Whatever you do...............KEEP SINGING!!!!!!

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Rita, I have had those same problems from time to time where everyone comments so positively and then the rating does not agree with the rating.  As a matter of a fact, I subbed Five O'clock Somewhere last week and held a 10 for over a week. One person, who consistently does this, listens, comments, saying the song was great! He also let me know he was working on getting the song ready to sub. I looked at my score and the 10 that he said was so great, the one that 12 other people had said was really good, the one that had the 10 for over a week, suddenly had a score of a 9.6! I am not sure whether he understands the rating system or if he does not understand what is good or bad! It does not bother me now but for a little while I just could not believe it!

what that person gave you was a NINE....

Ten people give you tens and one gives you a nine. that would bring it down that much of a notch!

Sheesh! It's STILL "Exceptional"!!! Take it and be greatful!

Don't fall over here Matt... but... I agree with you  :O

Sure seeing 10's on your subs is a GREAT feeling.. but if you get 10s all the time then you're absolutely perfect of a singer and what's the point of continuing to sing? You have zero room for improvement at that point if you are truly a *10* singer.

Would I like 10's -- sure -- who wouldn't? But in reality.. I know I'm not at that calibre.. even most radio artists aren't "perfect".  

It surprises me tho that once someone has 10s on their subs and then someone else comes along who listens and comments and their opinion is it's maybe an 8 or 9 sub is expected to not rank it because that's bringing down the 10 ranking..

Anyways.. I've gotten to the point where I have stopped ranking because sometimes it feels like my opinion only matters if it's still a 10 when I get done with it, otherwise I would be sniping it.

Oh.. nevermind.. I am not jumping into this bucket of worms again.. I learned my lesson last time.. and yes I actually did put one up for "C" not too long ago.. the first time since I was told to quit singing back in November..

Peter, you know I love ya but I have to disagree with you here.  I don't think you should rank a sub lower just because you don't like the genre.   It should be rated on the singing and the performance of how that person delivers that type of genre. And if you can't stand the song because of it's genre then I think it's best to choose "prefer not to rank" then you are not hurting them because of your dislike for the style of music.   I'm not a big rock fan either but I've listened to enough of it to know when someone is delivering really well.

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I agree with you Rita... if you can't don't like the genre and can't remain neutral when you click "listen" then it's probably not a good idea to rank it unless you can do so objectively .

I'm totally with Rita and Foxy here... I don't think people should be ranked on whether or not the listener likes that type of music. Just an example here... if a heavy metal fan goes to listen to an excellent rendition of a Barbra Streisand song and ranks it a 5 because they hate Barbra Streisand, that's unfair to the singer.

I do take song choice into account when ranking, but only in judging whether or not I think that person did a good job with the song they chose. If I hate the song but thought the performance was done with talent and style, then I don't rank. I'm not going to penalize someone just because they have different taste in music. Variety is the spice of life!

I know this topic has been beaten to death and no solution has ever come of it...but when new people arrive..I can understand why they wonder..WHYYYYYYY????

Once upon a time....there was a website...where you recorded and subbed your songs.  You recorded with your little mic that comes from wal mart and the sound recorder program that comes free with Windows.  You think you are so KEWLL!!!..till you find out that..recordings can be so much moreeeeeeeeee professional.  NOT professional..just much more!  People come to your subs..they listen..tell you where you can work on things and give you a rating. The rating..wasnt really important..but those suggestions..brought you from  a 3 to a 9 ..even though your voice never even changed!!!..it was you TAKE on songs..the emotion..the breathing the popping noises..reverb..became less needed as you became more accustomed to hearing your vocals back in your own ear.  MOst of the people I hear have such great vocals..there is nothing to critique but the occasional diction flaws..or obvious wrong genre..Mix then comes into play.  face it MIX is what sets everything apart.  WHen vocals are clear and consise..then the song is going to just be better..

I miss the critiques..the real ones.. not mean ones..but ones that taught people how to breathe properly and suggested good places to do it..ones that reminded people to be careful how they pronounce their words..how to mix ..how to eq..how to record harmonies and blend them...THose critiques were so helpful..

Now..people just say oh this was great and give 9s or 8s.  9s and 8s are somethin to be proud of for amateurs like us.....playin around at home on our pcs or little home studios..but...no one should rank less than ten if they arent grown enough to use the ranking as a helpful tip to the person puttin themself out there..

I cant remember the last time I got a real 10 ...butttttttt i also cant remember the last time I got a real critique.  One that told me what it was about the song that the listener thought needed work. ....Fluff is cool..i throw out my share..but when someone asks for a critique..I try to comply.if i dont feel qualified.i say so. and dont rate..when i know what i hear..i say so.. sadly...some ask for critiques..then get defensive..

this site has many many amazing voices...but i dont really know of any that are on the top 40.  even pros know they have things to work on and make better..if they want to KEEP being pros.

Those of you hopin to find a solution to this.. sorry its not goin to happen.. but..i woudnt let any of it really bother you.  Ive had great scores and bad ones..and i learned long ago.it doesnt matter.  what matters is sharing what you love.. possibly learning how to make it better.  and just having a nice time with like minded people!

GOD BLESS!

Kass

PS  kudos on what peter said.. if the emotion isnt there..its just not there..the vocal can be perfect. but emotion is the most needed quality to make others feel what you are feeling when you are singing.  also..originality...i LOVE to hear people take a song..and redo it..THEIR way..not the original carbon copy..but...their own flavor..and style.  just like a new release hittin the charts on an old hit!!!!!

 ...Peter....You are not in trouble  LOL

I agree with you about the emotion thing and a song moving you.  If a sub moves me emotionally it's probably going to get a 10 whether the singer was great or not.  

I was just trying to explain that just because you don't like a certain genre you shouldn't bring someone's rating down.  If they are already getting some 9's and you think that's what it deserves then fine but to see someone with a 10 after about 10 or so comments giving them a 9 on just the fact that you don't like that type of music seems a little unfair.  I'm not saying you should give them a 10 either if you don't think you should.  But sometimes it's best to just let them live in the glory than busting it because of it not being your taste in music.  I had just rather not rank in a situation like this.  I really do try to be fair and I don't feel jealous of anyone that has the coveted "10".   So in a situation like that....I would just leave it alone and go on to the next sub I wanted to listen to.  

Peter, I'm not spanking your hand here.....   I just thought you brought up a point on how some people may be ranking and I just didn't agree with it.  But hey.....I never agreed with my ex either....guess that's why he's an ex....

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