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Now here is one I do not understand. I truly treasured my one and only 10 for a very long time and I had answered all the comments and there were no more posts. Mysteriously, someone figured out how to go back and change a rank and sniper it.

Is this possible. I agonized as to whether to remove the song before someone just for the sake of meaness went in and sniped it, but somehow I was too late. Can someone go back and change their rating???

I wanted to leave it up because there were so many truly nice comments, but I guess it was just too much, huh.

Apparently someone has access to the system and hacked it.

Sigh. I should have taken it down. I should have known.

jvj

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I just talked to Seby and she told me that the fix to prevent retaliation rating had been removed. This truly sucks. This means that we cannot honestly rate people once more without retalitory snipes. I guess someone could not endure me having a 10 on a song, even one dedicated to the singers here and done well.

Truly sucks, as I said before.

jvj

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you might look into installing a newer version of adobe acrobat or you may just be able to DL the PDF plugin for internet explorer... it allows you to click 1 button on your IE toolbar and it converts whatever web page you are looking at into a PDF file on your PC.  This would at least allow you to make a "copy" of the page with the great comments etc for future reference or archive... it is a neat feature and one I use alot here, especially with how quick some posts (most likely this one by me) will disappear without notice... it also is nice when you find a thread that has ALOT of information, or links, to be able to convert the entire thread to  PDF file where you can look at the info, instructions or links for future reference without having to print the whole thread out.  once in PDF format you can capture text or convert it for easier printing etc...  you can look at adobe dot com for more info... I think they have a free PDF reader but not sure if that includes the IE PDF web page converter... I will try to find you a link with more info if you have no luck - tig

it may be easier to get a link that won't disappear without notice or explanation of you or Seby catch me on yahoo... there are a number of free PDF plugins that will allow you to archive an entire web page in PDF format... - tig

Thanks Melodie. I appreciate your comments. I certainly wasnt' trying to start a thread - a whiner kind of thing, but it is like in a relationship. You let yourself care about people and things as much as you choose to. If you care a lot, then you get hurt. I'll live. Grin. I mean it was kind of a thing for me to sing that well.

I used to have a friend named Alan and we grew up together and performed music a lot and there was this eternal discussion between Alan and I. Alan was a complainer and never happy. He found a million faults and his favorite rant was how certain things should not be. And I finally had this cosmic revelation (not to be dramatic or anything) and I said to him "Alan there is what should be, and what is. And you are going to have to live with that the rest of your life. You can spend hours, days, bemoaning what people do to others and you, or you can like in a video game let the shots do their damage and the LET IT GO.

We are dealing with many newbies in SS, lots of new members. We veterans have multi-threading on the changed rating when you offend someone by your single rating pulling down their 10.  And you know, I can sympathize with that viewpoint. A person despite a host of 10s saying "I just don't think this deserves a 10 and I am going to rate it less." Yet, it is the person who you listen to their sub and thereis the classic conflict which boils down to they believe "they are really good and what you say is wrong". I don't change ratings.

If I know a person has zapped my sub, I won't go back and ding their subs by changing a rating.

And many many times, I comment and do not rate. I have read many friends of mine who like my music and have told me, Jean, I'd give you a decent rating but I have retired from the rating business.

It is true. I am the pitch Simon of SS. I was born with bat ears, and what is worse, there are many truly famous singers, ESPECIALLY alternates who are off key. It is a curse for me. When I worked with the government when I was 18 I could hear the ultra sonic alarm system and no one else could. It was this constant high pitched sound which I had to work with because yours truly - well lets just say I had to be in security sensitive areas.

Every person when they eat food, it tastes differently to them. And every set of ears is different. I am finding that just as sometimes people with special abilities (not referring to music here) are sometimes a little outside of the group and you can't make someone love buttermilk like I do if it tastes sucky to them. And if people don't hear the pitch nuances and God, like some of the mixer DJs here, when I listen to a piece of music, I hear ever subtle note and nuance of the piece.

This does not make for popularity in a Karaoke setting. So Seby and I, after thousands of posts by people, have tried to focus our well meaning critiques on those who post 'C' and those who can deal with them.

Now, I totally understand the group who is in the "don't worry by happy" mode. This is a fun place and not American Idol.

Yes, I will learn to capture the pages that people have put up with really moving posts and let the Nightflyers swoop in and out and I am still going to brave the snipes and not retreat into "beyond rating" sanctuary which is safe.

I am going to learn to focus on the roses (like yerself) and not the thorns and my friend Alan is old and very gray now and very bitter.  No fun.

Don't worry be happy. Hugz. jvj

by the way - if you want something way different you can check out my totally nude photo in hot or not. That should raise an eyebrow. grin.

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Yes sad the Death of the 10 that is why I no longer let people rank me. I must say I keept my last four 10's and will delete if one of them gets change. The comments are more important to me anyways cause a rank is only a number. I think we should go back to when we were able to see the comments along with the rank that way  we would have honest rank to go along with the comment.  :handshake:

That really sucks!  The song was definitely a "10" so don't let it get you get down.
You will never be able to stop jealousy no matter how hard you try!   But I know how you feel.......none of mine have stayed a 10 but that's okay......I loved the nice comments and the 10's I did get....I cherished.   So just know....it was there and well deserving!!!!    :hi5:  :hi5:

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You know, as soon as I saw this thread I had to come read it.

When I listened & commented on your song (to Skylah & Miranda) I also listened to this one you'e talking about. I WOULD have commented, BUT........ this number thing is exactly why I didn't.  You had replied to all but one person's comment, and your score was a 9.9. So, not knowing if you knew it was a 9.9 (that last commenter could have made you drop down) I didn't leave a comment because then it could have looked like I did it.

Ya see, I've been under suspicion before- though I don't even rank people.  Some ranks were changed AFTER people had left comments and it made it look like the last ones to come in did it. (ME on some of the songs, since it was on a day I went down the page listening) So, I gave out my username & password to a few people to prove it wasn't me doing it. BUT..... the point is, it caused suspicion. So, there are alot of songs I listen to but wont comment on because I don't want people to think it was me.  If the score is low, and some comments are not replied to, I back out.  Otherwise I could look like the low ranker, and I just don't want to be mixed up in that. I DID listen to the song, and I DID enjoy it - very much.  But, to have left you a comment could have made it look like either myself or the person right before me (you hadn't replied to) had ranked you lower. So......... yeah, this junk happens and forever will. I realllllyyyyyy think the rankings should go back to being public.

Kinda stinky that it has to be like that here, but I think it always will.  I'd mark it up to someone must be jealous that you are more talented & they are insecure about it.  The 8 year old head game of "running others down to make yourself look better"..... but they wont even claim it, and that's pretty chicken sh**.

Okay, I've rambled on too much, . Just wanted to make my comment here, since I had this thought when I listened & viewed that song. Cause I thought it looked like a sniper too.

Edited twice, if I missed any more typos, they're staying here, .

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The odd thing is that I cannot see who posted the last comment. It must be a bug in the system, but it won't come up for me.

Thanks you for at least commenting on this thread. I think some are so concerned that they too will come under fire that they know the way things are but won't.

I want it to be clear that although it is painful when someone knocks you down after very many positive comments, it is worse when someone changes a rank because you did not rank them or a friend as well. I have posted two nines (wow what a sin) in the last month which actually pulled anyone down at all.

Because of the silliness of it all, I do a lot of listening and not ranking. This many sound uncool, but others will understand the logistics of this. It is wierd that the last post on my sub is hidden from me. I cannot even see it to answer it.

I'll live. It has been a hard month. I almost died in the hospital from something like Avian Flu with Syber at my bedside and it was grim. Perhaps then my music would have finally come up posthumously.

It is Sunday morning and I feel like - well no need to be graphic. Half awake and ws kept awake most of the night by a wild party next door. I swear there are more drugs in West Virginia than in California. Is there anyone here not on something.
Anyway, I know one person. Me.

have a good one

jvj

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Well, everyone pretty much knows my philosophies on the whole ranking/sniping thing. There's a big difference between a 'Hey, my 10 isn't a 10 anymore!' and someone who gives a low rank just out of spite (sometimes even coming back & changing their rank after you rank their song).

I'm one of the folks who thinks ranking should become visible again to 'keep people honest'. In protest of hidden ranks, I have now taken the stance that I always say what rank I'm giving if I rank. If I don't mention a rank, I didn't rank a song.

I'm hoping other folks who want ranks displayed, will follow along with my idea here.

Truthfully, although sometimes it's fun to go back and edit a comment, I don't see a reason that comments or ranks should be allowed to change once they are made.

your last sentence sums it up very well Seby..there are a few people who edit their re-edits and edit them again for good measure... if you read their original post and compare it to the final edited version(s), they are so different that you can't even figure out what they were replying to in the first place... if ya need to clarify a point then make a second post, don't mutilate the first one and if you write a post, no matter how trivial, inflammatory, emotional or otherwise- have the kahonas to stand up and be responsible for your post.  a secondary posting can clarify or clear up any misinterpretations of your original posts... some cowards have to edit and edit and edit because I don't think even the voices in their head know exactly what they are trying to say... oh and, Seby, when I say "you", I am not referring to YOU cuz I am just ranting after your post... I am talking to the other U's... they know who they are... in the immortal words of cult leader Jim Jones- "kool-aid and cookies for everyone!!!" - tig

not edited- kahonas still intact...

ROTFLMAO

ya know... i never did like 'kool-aid'.

Well another 10 bites the dust. I just can't seem to bring myself to take down a song with so many really cool comments when I should to help save my rating a bit. I think I am getting burnt out from writing so many songs so fast and I called Chris last night about getting all this to studio and out there.

But there are so many cool  people on here I just can't bring myself to move the orignals to our band site. I sitll haven't heard on the deal with the changing rating bug. I certainly feel one thing though. Ratings should be displayed when people rate them. Don't you think this would be a better thing. Then you could have some idea of who is rating you what.

jvj

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Hey JVJ,  I've been reading through this, and there is something that I have noticed that should be brought to light.  A newer member on here has a pesky habit of saying  "great job, ten from me", yet after their visit, your rank mysteriously drops. One example, Croonerman's "wonder of you", it was a ten when I went to bed last night, this morning, this person paid a visit, stated that they enjoyed it, and also stated they gave it a ten, yet the song now has a 9.7.

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You know what... I have noticed exactly that, Nathan! That exact same member has knocked down at least 4 of my tens, and taken several other high rated songs down a notch as well - several of them all in one weekend. Sure, it stung a little bit at first, but I got over it, and have been exchanging good feedback with them ever since.

But then the strangest thing happened... that member stated in a comment on one of my subs that they were giving me a 9, which I had no problem with - but in the same comment they said it was the first time they'd ever rated me under a ten. I had a do a double take. Did they not *remember* lowering the rating on so many of my songs? I've long since gotten past those ratings - that's fine, I'm not perfect; maybe eventually I'll re-record them and make them better. But why say they hadn't done it if they did? They even took another song down from a ten the same day or the next day - after it had already had 16 comments and had stayed a ten, and their comment only said "beautiful as always" and knocked it down from the ten.

I really don't have a problem with the ratings I get - I have plenty of high nines and I'm extremely grateful to know so many people like my stuff, but why would someone knock down song ratings and claim they're not doing it - especially when it's so obvious (i.e. a song has a ten, you post, then it has a 9.8 )?

I'd say maybe there was a bug in that person's browser that's causing ratings to go in as 0 accidentally or something, but if that were the case the ratings would be affected in a much bigger way than just going from a 10 to a 9.8 or a 9.7. So they're rating 9s or 8s, which is fine, but they're saying otherwise, which is just weird.

Highly unlikely that this is a bug Amy, what is more likely is that this person hasn't yet recieved the coveted "10" that they so much desire, and assume they deserve.  So maybe knocking down other people is kind of an emotional band-aid for this person.  Also, by saying "great job, ten form me",  this person assumes that all will be well, but it's kind of obvious when your rank drops right after her visit, .  Not a big deal I guess, it's just a number, but I have this thing about liars, I don't care for them too much.................Also I should say that I haven't yet had this member pull this with me, but I pay enough attention to the showcase to know it's going on.

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I'll have to admit that people are a lot more observant than me....Gosh...I'm naive!  After reading all of this you really got me wondering so I went back and looked at a couple of my subs that I knew held a 10 for awhile and are now at 9.8.   On one I was told they gave a 10.   I've had some other ones though that were close like that where this person was not on there.  

You know.......I'm happy being rated anywhere in the top half of the rating scale but I don't know why someone wouldn't just tell you the truth.    If this person wasn't saying they were giving 10's then I would give them the benefit of doubt but really this is getting too obvious.   I don't expect anyone to keep one of my subs at a 10 if they don't feel like it's deserving of it but if they are going to bring the rank down....please tell me why.   I'll take a 9 any day of the week!  Sure not ashamed of that.  But like the rest of you.....would be nice to know why someone felt it was a 9 when everyone else thought otherwise.  

Oh well.........just my  :2cents:  again!

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Aside from the sting of putting something up which is decent and those of us who still want to be rated and critiqued, I started the thread because I have seen this happen to other users. Both Syber and I are pushing for a system where if you rate, the rating appears besides your comment. This takes the sneak factor out and puts some honesty and so forth.

I was faced with somewhat of a dilemma in that sometimes I suspect - well we kinda know that after we go out and rate other users, there have been a few that were 'okay'. And yet, are rated pretty highly. Most of the 'top singers' I can see have things up that are ratable but do not put up new stuff that often.

But anyway, in some cases when I have gone to critque a singer in a constructive way, I have even stated - not rated -

I try not to mix ego in all this and being a musical performer, all of us have a bit of the "confidence" going on, although I have talked to a few who are pretty humble and laid back people.  But there are certain subs, that are 10s. I mean forget my stuff for now, but for instance, I am prejudice towards Ml-Texas's voice and subs. He is a pro and he can do a wide variety of music and a lot of it sounds like a CD.
Elderberry is finding her "style" but she has her moments of perfection. I have listened to tracks she has put up and they are flawless. I, the Simon of the SS pitch world (and resented by some who swear they are on key with my bat ears) listen to just about every track she's done and her pitch is dead on.

Cham is another shiner. I listened to him do Kansas Dust in the Wind and I was jealous. In a professonal way of course But I though to myself, damn, he was good enough to be in Kansas who I saw in person.

There are some Motown singers on here who are very good. Blue Stains is kicker on a lot of stuff she does, and I like Crystal and of course my dear friend Gilly.

The point is, these people very often put up 10s. Blue Stained is not a fluffer. And I think when she gets her 10s they are deserved. So it is a twinge (a fact of life) having been a musician forever, to see artists who are popular - very - who might be more in the 8 or 9 world, that no one will touch as far as pulling them down, get sniped.

Of course, this is a KARAOKE site. So the idea is for everyone who can sing at all to be able to sub.  And this is in parts a "pay for" site. We are paying members and if you are too critical and make it no fun, then you will lose members.

Oh, I forgot to mention Kolman, who does musical stuff so well that just about everything he puts up is a 10.  I think we should be able to see what people rate to stop those posting "it's a 10" and sniping you.

jvj

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[font=andalus]Ok.. I wasn't going to say anything, but since we are fessing up, and I have had the same experience with this same person mentioned, I just thought I'd say so.  I have no problems getting lower marks either. NO.. let me be honest.. Of course I have a problem.. at first.. then I get over it . I will admit that it hurts sometimes when I think i've gotten something just right, but I get over it quickly and realize that it's really no big deal.  This person has also gotten a hold of many of my 10's and lowered them all the while saying sweet things.  These were also 10's that had stood for a LONG time.  Some of them for nearly a year or at least several months, so it did sting a little when they were taken away, but I got over it and moved on.  I don't understand if she has any "dark" motives or not.. Perhaps she's just one of those who doesn't like to give 10's at all or very rarely.  I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt because I like to assume the best in everyone (to the point of naivete at times).  

I don't think the ratings thing will ever work the way it should, and we will always get people who for whatever reason will seek out to hurt or damage people's scores, or just won't rate everyone fairly.. so i've tried to just teach myself that a number on here doesn't define my abilities, and I just leave it at that and keep trying to do my best and working on my craft.  Again, before anyone accuses me of being "big headed" or anything.. I've never done anything to deserve that label.. If anything, i'm low on the confidence end, and that's why I sit at home and sing instead of trying to get "out there"  I'm merely pointing out similar things that have happened to me and being honest about how they made me feel.. In the end, I put no stock in the ratings or the lists... [/font]