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Hello,

I burn CDS using CD+G/MP3 after converting them to .bin files. However, some companies/karaoke joints are using machines that won't even read burnt CDS. About 75 percent of the places I went to will be able to play my CDS. I was just wondering if there was another way to burn the CDS in a way that will play in ANY player regardless of the "burnt CD block machine."

I would appreciate any help! Thanks!

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There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Try recording them at a slower burn speed.  Some machines won't play them unless they're recorded VERY slowly for some reason (try 1x or 2x).

If that doesn't work try converting them to VCD's and going that route.  Even if they check for burned cd's they will usually play VCD's.  This is how I used to get around the incompatible burner for CD+G's problem.  I'd convert the tracks to an AVI or MPEG file and then create a VCD from it.  It would play on pretty much every player I ever tried.  Pioneer, RSQ, JVC and plenty of others.

The question is will they not play or will the KJ not play them?

I run completly computer I no longer bring a CD+g player to my karaoke shows. If the person isn't happy with the Sound Choice, DK, Pop Hits Monthly, or Top hits monthly ( I have all the cd+g's ever made by these manufactures) they can sing somewhere else.

OK...thanks for the information. Some won't play them (and thats fine with me), but some WILL play them and it just won't work on the machine. I don't know if its just because its a burnt CD or if its because of the format I am burning in. I use Mirc to download all my songs, which are Soundchoice, DK, etc.

So, is there no other format I could burn in?

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Excellent, thank you meister!

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"What we do in life echoes in eternity."

If you're getting your songs through the source you mentioned you need to first convert to bin files and then burn them.

I'd also make sure your burner is capable of burning CD+G's. Most of the older players wouldn't burn them properly (if at all) and some of the later burners don't burn them in the typical fashion and require you use DAO 96 (IIRC) to get them to burn correctly.

I'd convert to VCD if your burner doesn't support CDG properly and go that route.  It would be preferred you purchase commercial discs and/or a burner that supports CDG properly.  The quality of VCD's isn't quite as good as a new CDG but it should be acceptable for home use.

On the other side, might I recommend you purchase some music from one of the fine vendors we have here?  Sound Choice discs have gotten quite inexpensive with the release of the mortar option.  I used to acquire my songs but realized that if I was going to sing karoake and do shows I needed to support the manufacturers that produce the songs I sing.  BTW, I deleted nearly 30,000 karaoke tracks when I went legit.

some dvd players won't play some burns... usually the older dvd players. they also won't play the mediacloq discs that were out there for awhile.

and ohhh man, a downloader! Please support the industry. Recent news is showing how karaoke manufacturers are going under... piracy is somewhat to blame. but so are the stupid artists that are demanding HUGE monies for the rights, or are downright refusing to issue the license altogether!

You won't find many people that will help someone that doesn't buy their music bud!

and Dye... I've been to shows like you host. It is a real bummer when I as a customer go to a show and can ONLY sing stuff that the host has at their show! Some of my karaoke tastes are pretty diverse. My participation on another site shows several comments by people that either don't remember these songs, or they're so obscure they might remember them, but certainly wouldn't go out and buy these songs. You don't mention how many songs are in your selection... I am on computer as well, and still bring in a cdg player for backup (still have my discs with me), but more than that, for playing customer discs. And my customers STILL point out some songs that I don't have!

EVERY saturday, I have to play at LEAST one customer cdg or cd!

oh well, to each their own!

Knightshow,
Will the computer setup you have let you play customer cdg's off of the disk, or do you have to use a cdg player...............Just Curiousity.

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No one can ever have EVERYTHING.  To deny a customer a chance to do a song with a version they may be used to - even over the quality tracks - isn't right.  I am getting closer to making the move over to computer, but like Matt will keep at least 1 player on hand, probably my laser as I haven't even started converting these yet.  I've seen these 30K CAVS units & still seen songs that I sing that aren't there.

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I don't know about Matt, but when I finally get there, I will keep the player on hand for b/u & customers discs even though I know the computer would play them fine.

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I use the computer to run my shows as well and I just rip the customers disks and play them back if they want to use thier own disks or a song I don't have.  I also go the extra step and if they are a regular of mine I'll just keep a copy of the track in a seperate folder for them so they don't have to bring it back.  I know it's kinda treadin the line of legality but I'll only allow them to sing the songs and I won't add them to my book so I figure it's no harm done really.

two things.

1.) on my computer system, I don't even have a disc drive. Tig posted something on here the other day about another good program that will use your cdg readable drive and will play it...

2.) I have many discs that can NOT be read by a computer... they were done that way by the manufacturer. the ol' Mediacloq phenomenon.

And pkircher, a good kj of mine does that for the show only. She uses MTU, which will rip the disc to a temporary file but NOT ALLOW you to keep the tracks. At the end of the show, those tracks are deleted. However, she couldn't read my discs! (the Mediacloq) In situations like that, I much prefer having the backup player.

What you're doing in keeping the tracks is pushing the line... but as you pointed out, it's hard to find fault in it. The responsiblity is on the singer that brings you in their disc IF it's a copy. Otherwise, it's a legal disc. But you keeping that track is sooo dicey.

Like I mentioned above, for me, I'll still have my discs with me... just in case there's a problem with the pc. And I've had that happen once. Not the computer's fault but my own!! because I had the cables attached with the jumper on the back of the drives!

It's not treadin' the line of legality, it's well crossed when you rip a track that doesn't belong to you.  I won't even go into the copyright laws and format shifting not being legal for businesses again.

The problem is that the copyright laws aren't condusive to good business pratices and good customer service.  I don't have a problem with format shifting (moving to a pc show) because no harm done.  When you ripped the customer's tracks to your pc and it stays you're crossing the line of legality- but it's good customer service.

I can't wait until the boneheads that deal with copyright law finally catch up to modern technology and it's uses.

I currently run 23,000 with out duplicates, around 28,500 or more with duplicates. I have over 1000 Sound Choice Disc, The complete DK Set, 2 of the Chartbusters Essientals, and I started Pop Hits around 2000 when the first came out. In 2003 I started getting top hits also because I like some versions better than Pop Hits. I have 50 or so Star Disc cd+gs and 20 or so legends. It's very rare that I do not have a song that someone want's to sing. I started in 1997 and I buy as many disc as I can get my hand on, I have bought tons from people that failed, ebay and over 1000 new. It is a pain to carry a cd+g player such a pain, then you need an a/b video switch, lose custom backgrounds. I do not see this ever being a problem, if you let it be a problem it will, but if you say I'm sorry I do not play anyone's music but my own it's not an issue. I grew tired of people with burned cd+g's, disc that were scratched, would not play, had beer spilled on them. Playing cd's that do not work make you look less professional, that not playing customers cd's.

how is it not professional when it's THEIR disc that is the one screwing up? You always have the right to look at the disc, see it's scratched up, and hand it back saying that the scratches might affect playing. If they insist, fine, but you won't be held liable.

And no matter how many tracks you have, no matter how many sound choice discs you have, I GUARANTEE that I've got songs that are 100% legal that I will BET you solid money that you don't have. I get discs from Great Britain, Hong Kong, Australia, all over the world.

Not saying I'd have a LOT more, but maybe as a customer I prefer a certain version over another. Maybe as a customer I really want to sing a song that you don't have.

not having a cdg player and an a/b switch is your perogative, but I personally feel that not having that extra touch for your customers is letting them down.

Granted, you may not ever hear anything. If you have a customer that comes up and you refuse to use what they offer (assuming you don't already have that disc ripped), the chances are you won't "offend" that customer. Most people nowadays just won't come back when they're slighted like that. Rare are the real complainers anymore. Because there's someone down the street or in the next town that WILL accomodate them.

Years ago if I was going to another town I would burn 10-12 songs on a cd in case I wound up at a show with poor a selection. This worked for awhile then I started running into more and more players that wouldnt play them. Then I found myself taking a cleaning kit and a phillips screw driver and cleaning the optics so they would.

I started avoiding these shows altogether for the systems ranged from bad to broke. I asked one Kj why he was runnin the eq on a Mackie 808 all the way flat in the mud He said oh its changed if I turn it up any the speakers start poppin. Ok...
If a show is computerized they usually have a decent selection. If I just got a new Top Hits Monthly that I'm dying to try I'll put it and more on the usb flash drive , take it out of my pocket and say I want ... from here After I become aquainted with the host..

I do have an external plextor in my rack but I very seldom play cdg's but for instances like at a  wedding if they have a special cd they want played we can do it.

Down in Branson I hauled a suitcase full of cd's into a show and had more than the Kj (about 400) ....Those days are over, why should I supply the music?..

Post Edit  I havnt yet but want to put something like Cruzer Lock on the flash so the songs will be read only and cant be copied.

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Hey Matt-----You dont have that "WALKIN BLUES" song I come in and sing every so often. VERY FEW people have that disc because its SOOOO obscure and NOBODY ELSE sings it. I only know of 2 KJ's that have that song in ALL of Vancouver,PDX .ELIEVE ME I would KNOW if someone around here had it! So as to "Sorry you can only sing MY STUFF", well I'd never go back to that show--cause I almost exclusively sing stuff that NOBODY else sings, let alone has. Plus if I ever found out someone was "RIPPING" a song off my disc and keeping it to build his own collection I'd  be TALKING to the BAR OWNER RIGHT NOW. Nobody and I mean NOBODY builds their COLLECTION OFF DISCS THAT I PAYED MY OWN MONEY FOR. "Ripping" is exactly the term for it---"RIPPING" OFF you mean"! Furthermore If the Bar Owner didnt react and put a stop to it, I wouldnt hestitate to make a phone call to ASCAP/BMI West Coast Office. Is that being an A-hole?? Yep but I wont put up with being ripped off either. So you can CHEW ON THAT.  
And why am I so vehement about it. Because I work for a record label
and am very sensitive to artists concerns about copyrights and so forth. In fact I write and copyright lyric sets of my own and thats a biggy for me!


Hey Matt-- I need you to email me.

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

Walkin' Blues from Bonnie Raitt?  I have that one  :D  If you are talking about the Royal Crown Revue version, I actually have that one on order.

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Royal Crown Revue! Right on Lon!!!!! And your probly the only one in Puget Sound that will have it!!!

Lon---Email me!

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

Hey LONMAN--go to the PHOTO GALLERY! You can SEE THE WALKIN' BLUES!!

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT