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Hi everyone.   Thanks for reading this and trying to help me out.  The story is that i'm looking into buying a mixer and 2 microphones.  I've been singing karaoke at the karaoke bars and i always wanted a karaoke system at home.  I have a sony home theater package of dvd/amp/speakers and i will be getting the microphones after i get the mixer, so i guess all i need is the mixer  If im missing something else, please feel free to tell me.  Well i did a lot of reading online about mixers and i found out that there are 2 (styles) kinds.  One that look like regular audio/video and the other look like a mixer board like in studio.  Here are the pictures of the two i like.

http://www.phonglekaraoke.com/store/com ... duct=15439

and     http://www.behringer.com/UB1222FX-PRO/i ... m?lang=ENG


I'm pretty sure the audio2000 is a karaoke mixer, but im not sure about the second mixer.  Is the quality of the behringer better?  Is it the right mixer for karaoke? Is it complicated?  Which one would be the better option in your mind? Feel free to tell me anything.

Any reply is greatly appreciate.  Thank You

For the price of either one of those you can have a good mixer. look up the mackie dfx12 it is about the standard around here.

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Actually for home use, the DFX6 will be just fine.  2 mics & the players.

HIGHLY recommend though, that you consider NOT using your home theater system as you could POSSIBLY blow your speakers & even the amp (on a lesser possibility).  You may consider the mixer & a set of powered speakers - it will definately cost you more, but if you accidently blow your home system, it will cost you more anyway.

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A follow up to the question. What is the major differences between the dfx12 and 1202 VLZ Pro? I am looking for a mixer myself but am confused about all the different models. My set up will be semi-pro set up. I am hoping to take it on the road to set up mostly indoors. I will probably use power speakers, like Eon series. Please advice. Thanks in advance.

Ben

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The DFX12 has built in effects & small eq.    
The 1202 doesn't have the effects or eq, but does have much better sounding pre-amps in the mic inputs so the overall sound will be much cleaner.  It also has a 3 band eq (high, mid & low) per channel as opposed to the 2 band (high, low) on the DFX.

For the application you are describing, the DFX series will probably suit you better.

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Thanks for a quick answer. I have been thinking about this and talked to a friend who's a musician. I already have a Lexicon effects unit already so the reverb's been taken care of. I don't think I really need much EQ, specially with 3 band EQ I can use. So, I was leaning more toward the VLZ, possibly the 1202 or 1402. If you don't mind me asking, why do you think the DFX is better?

Ben

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Only reason I said the DFX would probably be better is because it has built in effect - which you didn't mention you had - & the eq.  If you already have outboard effects & don't think you need the eq (which you can add later if needed), then I would always pick the VLZ over the DFX - like I said the VLZ series have much cleaner mic pre-amps.  
Between the 1202 & 1402, the 1202 will suit most karaoke needs, the downside (not a real big deal though) to the 1202 is the rotary pots vs the sliders on the 1402.  That & a couple extra channels on the 1402 are about the only difference.

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Please consider Behringer's UB1222fxpro for home/semi pro KJing.

It's designed and intended for KJ's right out of the box.

It has a dedicated CD+G player stereo input that includes voice cancel switch and all mic one-button mute...The CD+G input is already padded so you won't overdrive the mixer channel strip preamp...It's also has pro style Alps sliders and not just twisty knobs....It also contains a 7 band EQ that includes feebback location circuitry and a great built-in 99 preset FX unit.  You like reverb?...Well, it's got a dozen different preset reverbs already built in and assignable to any mic strip...It also has built in quadraphonics that really help when you need a BBE or Kosmos but don't have one.

Every mic channel has an insert provided for compressors, EQ's or whatever. It uses XLR outs so it will patch at low Z and +6 dB into anything downstream....All in's and out's are fully balanced to prevent hiss....It is totally silent with tons of headroom and very broad dynamic range.....It also has the best and most extensive metering of any in it's class. So, there just ain't no way you are going to clip this mixer unless you are totally deaf and blind.

It really is a great KJ mixer for just $179.

Buy it from Musician'sFriend.com....Then if you don't like it, just ship it back for full refund, no questions asked.

I've got 2 of them and a UB1832FXPRO....The smaller 1222fxpro @ $179 is the best for the money....Try it before you pay more than twice as much for less mixer.

Everything else in my racks is very expensive snob level stuff, so I wouldn't suggest the Behringer UB122FXPRO if it didn't work and sound as good as the rest of my stuff. My main cabs cost 10 times as much as the Behringer. My amps cost 15 times as much....And neither of them suffer from my little $179 mixer.

Just think what your system would sound like with a GOOD mixer.  If you think it sounds good now, there would be a night & day difference.

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Sorry Lonman, but I've tried other mixers. The cheap little Behringer UB1222FXPRO is the best buy out there for any semipro KJ....Especially if he needs to duplicate his show for several venues....The $$ saved can go for additional music or better mics or vocal string.

I use Blue Robbies for mic pre's and can't hear any diff from them and the board's pre's when live....The Blue Robbies win when recording tho, as they would on any mixing board including yours.

Lonman, I've 10K alone in my mixer and effects rack, another 10K in my front of the house rack including enclosures. I know where to spend my money and where to save it.

Any time you wanna compare sound heads up, pack it all up and come visit.

Bring your ears.

You're slapping the glove in the face, you bring it on  :wave:
I don't doubt your system sounds good - the rest of your gear is top notch, all I was saying is it would sound THAT much better with a better board in front of it all.  I've used Behiringers & every one i've had has been nothing but Fischer Price grade junk & in a side by side, the Mackie (USA made of course) will sound cleaner than ANY Behringer i've ever used.

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You're slapping the glove in the face, you bring it on  :wave:
I don't doubt your system sounds good - the rest of your gear is top notch, all I was saying is it would sound THAT much better with a better board in front of it all.  I've used Behiringers & every one i've had (I actively use the UB2442FXPRO) has been nothing but Fischer Price grade junk & in a side by side, the Mackie (USA made of course) will sound cleaner than ANY Behringer i've ever used

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Well, anyway.....

If you decide to visit, I keep a keg cold.....My gameroom sports a dance pole, full lighting effects, an official grade poker table and a full blown KJ/DJ pro install.

There are spare bedrooms to crash in and plenty to eat if you cook it yerself.

We don't fight here, but we sure do have lots of fun!

Keith,

I agree with you, for the price nothing comes close to the UB-Pro series from Behringer, not even Mackie!

To get the same quality, you'll need to spend at least twice has much.  Now, I'm only talking about the mixers and also the monitors from Behringer, the rest, I don't know...

I did compared the sound of my UB1622FX-Pro and a model from Mackie which was selling twice has much and it was in fact, day in night, but in favour of the Behringer!
Much better Mic input but a poor DSP which in this case, you're ok cause you're using the best DSP on the market with Lexicon. which is an americain product btw, but build in CHINA just like probably the mixers from Mackie!

I find it a shame to see all the bad things that are said about the Behringer products, let's keep in mind, that if we can now buy all this pro stuff at such a low price it's because of them, they brought down the pricing and forced the BIG ones to lower their prices, companies like Mackie, Yamaha, Lexicon, DBX...  Now that they managed to compete with Behringer, they're saying that they still have a better product to offer, so what were day doing before?  I'll tell you what, BIG PROFIT!!

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What lots of folks don't know is that the very latest UB1222FXPRO uses Alps sliders and twisty pots.....Those sliders no longer stick up above the board and look fragile and cheap cause they ain't!....AND their built in FX no long generates ANY noise.

For those reasons their newer and slightly smaller 1222 beats the heck out of my larger UB1832FXPRO sonically. My 1832 gets noisey if the FX send slider gets above -15 dB, but the 1222 is silent all to way up to unity.

I especially love the dedicated monitors slider on both and the fact you can mix all
fx into the monitors.

The 1222 will accept 5 stereo inputs when you include the dedicated CD+G input, plus still have room for 4 mics....All 4 Mono mic strips have low cuts, individual mutes, inserts and full switching/metering/monitor sends/FX sends.

...At $179 if it breaks, just toss it!

Hello Micky, I'll quote you:

"I find it a shame to see all the bad things that are said about the Behringer products, let's keep in mind, that if we can now buy all this pro stuff at such a low price it's because of them, they brought down the pricing and forced the BIG ones to lower their prices, companies like Mackie, Yamaha, Lexicon, DBX...  "

You know, you are most correct about price and quality being driven by competition.  Please also consider that now several domestic manufacturers like Peavey and Mackie have introduced new mixer lines that attempt to compete with UB's FXPRO series. I told them both years ago that the day they loaded a rackable mixer with UB's features and kept it under 500 bucks, then I'd buy it.

Each of them are including more features...And yeah, all of them are actually built in China....But China is turning out better and better quality stuff everyday....Still, no matter where it's built, it's the manufacturer who designs and specs the final product...So if you are loyal to Mackie or whoever, just make your needs known to them.