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I grew up listening to quite a bit of classical music myself, and I have to say that I appreciate instrumental pieces (generally) far more than operatic pieces. That is probably partly due to the fact that they are often in a language I can't understand, so unless you have a script to read along, the words might sound 'pretty', but you can't follow the story (especially without a visual).

I went to see a live performance of 'Cossi Fon Tutti' (i probably spelled that wrong), performed in Italian, but I had a script to follow along with and enjoyed the performance very much. I am more inclined however, as Jazzy pointed out, to listen to a classical piece on SS from someone who only does one on occasion instead of 'all the time'... also, often the folks who throw in the occasionall classical piece, such as Jazzy, have had many years of professional vocal training which really shines through in their classical pieces.

Heck, we have a 'rock' piece with 'classical' operatic vocals (a really interesting mix) that jvj keeps wanting me to do, but I'm afraid of it for now... So who knows, I may briefly join the classical fray myself someday.

EDIT.... just realized I posted this in the wrong thread ......

pay no attention .... hic!  :drunk:  :wave:

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I think it's actually quite amazing how deeply you can come to feel for folks you meet online, but for the ones of us who are mostly 'sane', we must find a balance.

As Gilly says (more or less.. heheh), I'm not going to shoot myself in the 'ead if someone gives me a hard time online. Many of us who are 'odd' (and have always been odd), not to mention 'controversial' in nature, have learned to have a certain amount of self confidence simply to survive. We are not 'herd' animals, we step to the beat of a 'different drummer' and often choose the road less travelled (to quote a favorite author). Of course, Gilly and I are not the only ones in this group who are that way... I'm not going to mention names here, but I know a small, solid handful of folks here who fall into that category.

In order to live in that manner, we CANNOT care so much whether or not Susie Commoner hates the fact that we shaved our head or is offended by our mere presence... yet... when we find people that we actually do admire and form a bond with, of course we can be hurt if one of those people turns their back on us.

I suppose it boils down to peer groups. Who do we consider to actually BE our 'peers'? Some of us simply don't have that many people whose council we seek and whose opinions matter that much to us. I believe that is generally a healthy way to be.

Am I hurt when someone comes along and rips apart a song I have worked hard on? To a degree, yes... but how much that opinion affects me is directly proportional to how much respect I (in turn) have for that person. On the other hand, I DO have a certain 'survival' instinct which allows me to continue on, even after 'hitting bottom' (so to speak). It has happened... there have been points when I have decided I would never sing again, only to realize I was being silly and bounced back.

Ok, now *I'M* totally rambling... (took some pain medicine so I'm floating a bit) sorry about that, folks. L-O-L

Well, Jazzy... if it's any consolation... *I* like ya (of course, I don't know you very well, but what I know, I like). I think you're an honest, sincere, knowledgable person with a very sweet and sensitive nature. I respect you a great deal and always enjoy your work. However, I am probably one of those 'out crowd' people you were just referring to, so I dont' know if that helps or not. heheeh

The reason I came here Jazzy, was because I wanted to establish a rapport with musicians online.  My current situation in real isn't conducive to doing so. Getting to know "the people" typing back to us IMHO can ONLY serve to be beneficial.

I think there's a tendency for some to see things in terms of all/none given the anonymity of the internet where we don't see facial expression of the people we relate to. Just quick type. Given a choice between an environment that appears dispassionate, and one that appears warmer where people aren't afraid to admit they care, and feel vulnerable.  I'd take the later  (at this point in my life). I try to allow for aspects of quirkiness realizing I'm around musicians.

(and I'm nuts)

It depends on the genre as to how many views I get, I think. If I put up showtunes or country, I don't get as many.  If it's not a well-known song, that matters, too.  

Your poll didn't give that many choices...I would answer somewhere between your first choice
You realize that you really suck and that no one wants to listen to you
and the second choice
 It doesn't bother you and you let life go on

It doesn't bother me  much, but I do wonder why...I figure it's because of my choices in song, plus there are a lot of songs posted and people can't listen to them all.  Also I notice that if I post my song in the morning, it gets more views than if I post it late at night.  I guess that makes sense.

I get anywhere between 8 and 20 views.  Also if I leave it there for awhile, then people often find them later. I would never repost, way too much trouble!

I do like getting comments and getting ranked, so I do get disappointed if there aren't many of those, too, but you can't force people to do it!!

My advice, take it or leave it: you should stop worrying so much about who is listening to your songs and work on your SINGING!!  And post some non-classical songs for a change if you really want people to listen.

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I listen, Jason!!

What do you mean it's dead?? Many songs get posted every day, seems like more than when I joined last October.  Or did you mean the forum posts?

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I do care about what people think, but....I don't put as much weight on internet comments as, say, real-life comments.  And I have my own opinion, too, so that weighs in more than what others think.

In other words, it's nice to hear people say nice things about my singing, but I'm not going to get too upset if they say critical things. I try to take them as how they are meant, rather than as mean, and it has really helped me to re-examine some of my songs.  But it's not like I sit around and worry whether people will like it or not.  If someone said something just mean, I would tell them where to get off.

I have gotten in fights with many people on the net (just goes with the territory if you are outspoken and participate in forums/groups/lists) and sometimes it does annoy me, but I try not to get too upset because there are lots of people out there who just like to cause trouble in these situations, or they are social misfits, or they are threatened by women with opinions, or they just don't know how to have a discussion without hurling insults.  I sure get a lot less upset about that sort of thing than I used to because it's just too much stress otherwise.

I kinda figured RP was DM....the voice and song choices are exactly the same.

I had more comments (about breath support in classical songs), but they sounded too mean...so never mind!!

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 :hug:  :hug: ELISHA  :hug:  :hug: Ya know's we love ya ! Well least I do ,hell I worship the ground ya walk on girl  :worship: Vocally and as a person you are the best!!!
~Jess  :D

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Jazzy, that still blows me away that you feel the way you do. I've been envious of how it seems like people here are constantly referring to you as one of the most knowledgeable, best singers here. So I just assumed you were all confident and on top of the world in general because you seem so well-liked here.

Plus, look how many people responded to your revelation. [uh oh whining starting-------->]....I mean, I totally opened up right before you, and have many times before on here, and no one even noticed or gave a doggie crap about it like they did with you....see girl everyone loves you. Nice to know that other people have vulnerabilities like me though.

(Have to give my Crystal baby credit for always comforting me on pm's...)

Tigger,  I gave a doggie crap...  LOL.

I usually read the first post and reply to it, then I read the rest and reply to what I can....I wasn't replying just because she posted (in fact I didn't read all of hers, just was very rusehd).

I agree that Elisha is a great singer, though!

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You probably already know this.  Yet a persons talent, like their outer appearance isn't who they are.   Sort've like the Poem, and Simon & Garfunkle song "Richard Corey". Two of the most talented kids I knew, friends of mine never made it past High School.  NOBODY, even their parents had a clue... Or didn't people think to ever look or ask ?

This isn't in reference to anyone we know in particular, yet because I feel compelled to post this,  I'm going to.  I always think about it when I "envy" someone too.


RICHARD COREY


"Whenever Richard Cory went down town,

We people on the pavement looked at him:

He was a gentleman from sole to crown,

Clean favoured, and imperially slim.




And he was always quietly arrayed,

And he was always human when he talked;

But still he fluttered pulses when he said,

'Good morning,' and he glittered when he walked.




And he was rich--yes, richer than a king--

And admirably schooled in every grace:

In fine, we thought that he was everything

To make us wish that we were in his place.




So on we worked, and waited for the light,

And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;

And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,

Went home and put a bullet through his head."

I didn't know songs back then had lyrics like that....I guess they did. I've never even heard of that song; what a huge impact when reading it - I can't imagine the impact from listening to it.

Thanks for the sweet comment Steven! Me showing my need for attention.

WHO are the two friends you're talking about? Simon & Garfunkle? Garfunkle's voice - one of the most beautiful I've ever had pleasure to hear.

And I hear ya Suzanne...she is a great singer, and yeppers I usually reply like that too.

Tigger, One was a straight A student, probably the best looking kid most knew. Type of guy other males envied...thinking he could've had an female in HS he wanted. QB of the HS football team.  Kid seemed to have everything going for him.  Another was a funny kid, everyone liked him, always joking around. Quickwitted, type of wit people envied. Seemed to have answers to everything.

Not sure if you ever saw "The Graduate". Yet for me, even to this day Simon and Garfunkles Soundtrack, (Especially the slow ballads while watching what was going on in the movie) conveyed stronger emotion than any other movie I've ever seen.

S&G were an amazing duo.  Amazing depressing at times IMHO, yet they were good. Intense is probably the best term for alot of the stories they told.

My favorites from the late 60's early 70's were James Taylor and Harry Chapin,. Similarly intense story tellers, yet masters at what they did, which was evoke emotion in the listener:  Jimmy Buffet, and Jim Croce (IMHO) never touched the skill of those two.   Pretty amazing ballad musicians from the 60's, and early 70's period. I liked Janis Ian too......She told pretty intense stories  (albeit with the vocabularly of an english scholar).

Read the lyrics to "At 17" sometime...... Her Album:  Between the Lines


SO REMEMBER THOSE WHO WIN THE GAME
LOSE THE LOVE THEY SOUGHT TO GAIN
IN DEBENTURES OF QUALITY AND DUBIOUS INTEGRITY
THEIR SMALL-TOWN EYES WILL GAPE AT YOU
IN DULL SURPRISE WHEN PAYMENT DUE
EXCEEDS ACCOUNTS RECEIVED AT SEVENTEEN


....How many vocalist use "Debentures" & "Dubious Integrity" in the same sentence ?

I'm definitely old enough to know about every one of those musicians you mentioned. Always loved "At 17"....the situation described therein repeats itself at every high school, no matter what generation.

What does debenture mean? I didn't know that was in the song. And I've struggled always to figure out what that one paragraph means, but never could. Could you give me the cliff notes please?? Somethin' like that the popular beautiful people kept getting so much more than they ever gave out or deserved that now they're suffering for it or somethin'?? [If so, GOOD.]

I do get the point of popularity, talent, or looks not ensuring happiness. Some flaky part of me keeps assuming that they DO....but perhaps I'll learn that they don't, and I'll quit wasting my time assuming those people have something I don't.

Synonyms for Debenture:   agreement, bargain, certificate, collateral, compact, contract, convention, covenant, debt, guaranty, obligation, pact, pledge, promise, security, transaction, warrant, warranty, word


Awesome Song, huh?

~~  Basically ... I think that verse means that ~~ they can't possibly win the game with the mentality of a 17 yr. old.....

because sooner or later, all they expected will be expected of them.  They'll be in debt ~~ and won't have had the experience or learned the skills to know how to "give back" ... thereby Losing all the "love" they sought and "thought" they'd gained.  And it'll come as a rude awakening to them.

At least... that's my interpretation. {shrugs, I dunno ~~ but thats what I make of that verse}.  

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Ahhhh....that's the jist I vaguely thought it meant too, but that's clearer. Cool.