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Sorry to disappoint your drama, Blue... but aside from a little grumbling, my post was not hostile or flaming.



Oh good... guess it was just coincidence then.



To clarify, I didn't claim to have 'taught' it to anyone. Most folks have probably picked it up from American Idol, as I did. However, people did start using the term more after I threw it around a few times. I seem to recall a specific thread showing up in the forum, after I used that word in a critique, asking 'what does 'pitchy' mean' or something to that effect, and for some reason, people have associated that word with me on here in the past.



Well, as I said before, I don't get to see as many subs as I would like to, but I haven't really seen in use that much. I for one, rarely use it. I do, however, refer to pitch... a lot.



Ok, as I said, 'good'.



Last week? They're ongoing issues... like it or not.



True, this new system should be explained somewhere. We get new members every day, and those new folks (much like my husband) are simply not aware of the new 'rules'. To the uninitiated, 'Just For Fun' doesn't automatically mean 'no negative comments'.



I agree about giving them a 'real' critique. We all agree about that as far as I know. I consider that I already do that, to the best of my ability, without going into painful detail every time. I KNOW that most people can hear where they are off-pitch, so I don't plan to give 'note-by-note' critiques on pitch unless the person specifically asks for it.

You might say "well, if you know the person can hear when they are off-pitch, why even mention it?" The answer to that is simple. I don't often give '10's, and people like to know WHY they were given the rank they were given, we have been through that already.

So, I don't mind getting really detailed on a critique, but I'm not going to do it every time, not everyone wants or needs it. People can easily ask for details from anyone who does critique their subs (I've done it myself), and most folks I have seen on here, are quite happy to oblige the request... so where's the problem?



That is totally inaccurate. I do NOT call 'just for fun' sub and comments 'fluff'. Few other people here do either. As has already been hashed out, 'fluff' is generally considered to be 'overly-kind, insincere' comments. Just saying nice stuff, when you actually mean it, is not 'fluff'. However, it has been established in the forums, that 'just for fun' submissions are 'fluff-friendly'. My own submission of 'blue hotel' was 'just for fun' because I knew it wasn't that great and I hadn't tried to iron out all the mistakes.



Neither would I... and for someone who doesn't like the word, you are using it quite a bit.



Some people here, have blatantly admitted to 'fluffing'. However, many of those same people have shown a willingness to give honest critiques when called upon to do so. I don't see a problem with it. Besides, all of this raving about 'fluff' comments is a little overboard when my actual mention of 'fluff' was limited to: (and it was to ardis.. a 'newbie')



Where is the offense in that? She didn't seem to see it.



Yes, it is. I do it daily, many times even on subs that ask for critiques. Most other folks do as well, obviously. Otherwise, we would all have TONS of comments on our subs instead of 60+ listens & 12 comments.



Hey, I thought this wasn't directed at me? Oh, I guess that's a 'general' useage of 'you'.



You don't follow me around SS?? But I thought you were my biggest fan.

I haven't seen the comments you're talking about, so I have no opinion on that. Apparently, you haven't seen a single instance of *me* claiming pitch problems in a sub where you didn't hear them as well... so I guess I'm 'off the hook'. Why not give an example? Then we can all go listen and see what we think. I'm 'calling YOUR bluff'... if you wanna put it that way.



So far, I haven't seen a single person refuse to elaborate on their critiques when asked to do so... but perhaps they have and I just haven't seen it.



I must've really been missing out on some comments lately. I know of a couple that were 'uncalled for' and rude... but for the most part, I haven't seen folks being really nasty on their comments. When and if I DO see that sort of thing, I help call them on it. I don't support blatantly rude comments. I have been 'blunt' before, but even that I have made an effort to be more 'constructive'.

There is a natural 'adjustment' period when critiquers first arrive, sometimes they need to realize that they come across as being insensitive, as I realized I did in the beginning. Perhaps there is some of that going on now.



It would be better if you WERE more specific... If you want specifics in critiquing subs, why not offer specifics when critiquing people and actions in SS? That only makes logical sense.



On Gilly....

Well, I've heard them and I was blown away. Gilly doesn't realize it, but she has one of the best voices on the site. Period. Not necessarily in the technical sense, but because whatever that 'it' factor is, she has it. I doubt anyone here (aside from Gilly that is) would disagree with that. When you consider her age and everything else, she has the 'whole package'. She could be a star.. no doubt about it. But, she has chosen not to follow that road, so we have to respect her life decisions. At least WE, here at SS, are granted the pleasure of hearing her submissions.

PLaymate? Siblings?


She has imaginary friends, wants to grow up to be a barbie (insists that she is married to ken) and when people ask her her name she responds "I am pocahontas" (then points to her dad) and says "and that is john smith"...

I don't think a brother or sister is going to help there:) Lol, plus, i JUST finally lost the weight!!! darn it!! and threw away all of my E cup bras!! NO more BABIES! .


She has a cat. that is enough. (besides, Justy is like having another damn preschooler around anyways:)


woah, now i am REALLY off topic...sorry about that.

Woah, Syber jumped in, while I was makign a coffee, and published a novel.....

Yes... i plan to read all of that.. sure.... sure...

Ok, I give up, i can't possibly keep up with you all:)

I got mine at WalMart... it's cheap there.

Oh! And the big spikey collar I found at "leathers-R-Us"... uhhh

Syber, you don't have to pm me!! Of COURSE you can borrow my whip and handcuffs!!! I love to share:)




hehehehe

Hahaha...........syber- for crying out loud- THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.......

Two words for ya- DRAMA QUEEN

Babble all you want, you didn't discredit anything I said. You may have TRIED- but you didn't.

And, yes- surely you know that I AM your biggest fan & follower. I think I have made that QUITE obvious.

Gosh, talk about waiting until someone says they are leaving to jump on here. Fooled ya- plans changed- I'm not going anywhere for the moment.

If you want me to turn this into a thread "all about syber"- sorry. Quit trying to flame people up. I think we have all graduated junior high syber.

Obviously you feel this is aimed at you because you have been doing this alot. Hmmmmmm............ I knew it would pull some people out in a pissy mood. But , so be it- feel the way you want to. I've made my point, and I think most get what I was meaning. You're not worth the carpel tunnel I'm surely gonna end up with. Go visit the new thread by Steven Kaplan..... I think you'll feel you're needed there. haha

Don't waste your time running me down- cause I flat don't give a sh** about your opinion- of me or anything else. I think the feeling is mutual between us, syber, so run off to another playground. I'm not in the mood to play with you.

And talk about long posts....... you take mine apart piece by piece and add your comments in between....... keep that up and ya might set a record. I really don't think there are any prizes for that either though.

~ ~

Seems like I remember you liked it when I winked at ya.

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Yeah, I don't think anyone in their right mind would ever have a 'beef' with one of Jazzy's critiques... but she does have the training and expertise to be very thorough, and sometimes point out things that those of us who are less 'trained' would notice (or know how to articulate).

While it would be nice if Jazzy were willing to give up her life to become our resident online vocal instructor and critique all of our subs, unfortunately I don't see that happening.

I DON'T have a musical degree and have never claimed to be an 'expert'. I'm learning as I go along as well. I've learned a lot from Jazzy and others since I've been here. I DO however, have a pretty good ear and what I would consider an 'above average' (considering most of the population) knowledge of music. I've even had some 'book learnin' on the subject. I tend to express myself fairly well and I've learned to show my consideration of others (when critiquing and such) a little better online.

I have a lot of respect for Jazzy, both as a vocalist and on her technical knowledge. I also think there is room for those of us without musical degrees, to provide suggestions, feedback and critiques on subs. Most people have more than welcomed my comments. Some folks have even informed me of having improved because of my suggestions... their claims bear out in their later submissions. I'm not saying that any of Jazzy's remarks were aimed at me, I don't think so... but I am using myself as an example of a person who gives critiques.

So what 'qualifies' a person to critique? Since none of us are getting paid for our time here, I would say the qualifications are pretty loose. How about... you have the ability and willingness to listen and provide feedback (in a constructive manner of course)? I for one, invite anyone to critique and give feedback on any submission I make (where I ask for critiques of course), no matter what your qualifications or lack thereof.

I would love to have Jazzy come give a thorough critique of my subs 'overload' and 'the metro'.. but I don't expect her to do so since I'm not putting funds into her paypal account for her time.

Cool Glad we are on good terms. I hope my feedback on your subs is helpful (and encouraging).

OLOL!! My point exactly... *nodding* very succinct.

GILLY-

Someone can borrow my "armour" too- as long as I get them back by- say-10 PM tonight, cause they are most necessary to keep my hubby in a good mood.

That's funny about Skylah- my oldest son Zachary, when he was about 2 or 3, went through a period of whenever someone said "What's your name" he would say "George"........... to this day I have NO idea where he got that name. We have no friends or relatives named George. Go figure.

And my daughter Cheyenne hated being called an "Indian" by friends at school. So she wrote me a note asking me to please change her name. She was thinking "Jolene" or "Amy" would be better. Aren't kids too funny?

I grew up with the name "Charmin" for crying out loud- can't get teased any worse than I did. But I never wanted to change it that I know of. I just learned to throw a pretty good punch in first grade, haha.

I've seen pics of Skylah- she's a little doll.

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I *have* noticed that as well, not sure if folks don't hear it, or just ignore it. Heck, I've ignored an 'off-pitch' spot or two when it's so insignificant that it doesn't matter. *VERY* few people do have 'perfect pitch control' (I'm sure not one of them), and then you have the whole issue of like, 'alternative' songs... which are generally sung about 1/4-tone (don't shoot me if I'm using that word incorrectly... ) flat.



No problem. Thanks hun.



I can see the point... I haven't seen this yet, but it is apparently happening. I have no doubt that some people wouldn't be above doing that.. just throwing words around to try and sound knowledgable, but I would suggest 'considering the source'. For example, is the person someone who posts and subs regularly, showing a fair amount of intelligence? Or is it someone with almost no history or background aside from jumping in & loosely throwing around terms without anything to back them up.



ROTFLMAO... you & me both.. uh... I mean.. no WAY am I going to watch AI... they just make me so angry...

I agree that the person offering a critique need not be the Julliard graduate, however there are a few things many overlook.
I recall someplace within the description of "Singers Showcase" it states something to the effect of, "This is the place to show off your talent to the world". One can't forget that the Critiques are also viewable to the world along with the persons performance. I think knowing do's and do nots of the Critique process are important. We can't assume everyone posting is mature, or takes the performers feelings into consideration.
Since I am not a vocalist, and not one that I feel is as qualified to Critique in such a venue, I started a thread regarding "How to Critique a vocalist". A proper Critique is a skill.

Lol, i LIKE charmin as a name! ONe of my gf's has the same name:) Or, maybe I am just used to it..... I also know a charmaine.

People always confused my name.. I STILL get called Gillian with a HARD G, like, "grape", instead of like george.... Gilligan... is what I was called at my own graduation ceremony.... then, I had a nick name from a GAZILLION people... So, still to this day, people call me, GAM, or Jello, or Gilly, or jube jube.. oh, it goes on and on... People always call Skylah, Skylar... she gets irritated by that...

Yes, I never stay on topic.... I dno't want to risk getting yelled at:) I like you ALL!! Just.. don' critique me:) (unless i ask for it, which i DID and didn't GET ONE!!!)

Luv ya, you fluffy,pitchy, silly goose.

hehehe

ok, i am NOW going to AVOID the forums..

and, gawd girl, aren't you EVER going to go see that baby?!

Eeesh yeah... I just saw how big that post came out. Holy smokes.

Sorry

Ok, but can I borrow the silk scarves & feather boas too?? I really need them to complete the effect... heheheheh

"(sorry i'm bitter cuz I'm at a tough spot in my life right now trying to figure out what to do with myself.. why oh WHY didn't I go to medical school instead?? grrrr"





, I had to drop out've medical school. I tried doing other things. It's not easy when you are born damned with a quirky artistic temperment, and the related nuances. I ended up going on the road. I suppose if a person is destined to be relatively poor, and unsuccessful, they might as well accept this, and lower their standards at least to a degree where they can be happy There's just not much out there in the job market, or career related areas many musicians, or artists can find their niche in.

Seems to me, that when you are cut out for a specific area, something keeps drawing you back. I've always envied the people that are adaptable enough to be quite successful in fields that aren't related to the field they are :cut out: for.


(talk about off-topic)

Oh! It's a soft G? Like 'Jilly'? Cause I always say 'Gilly' (hard 'g'). Kinda not that important I know, cause you can't even HEAR me... ... but I like to try and get folks' names right. Heck, mine is Seby (and that's like 'sebby', not like 'cee-bee') heheh. People say it wrong all the time. Half the time I'm either 'Debbie' or 'Selby'. heh



Sure you did!! There just wasn't anything significantly wrong to point it out. We pointed out RIGHT stuff.

Yeah, I figured it might come out like I thought you were being 'snotty' or something, but I didn't mean it that way. Thanks for backing me up on that point.



heh... I quit college & went into computers. Turns out to be a fairly decent occupation for folks with 'artisitic temperments' (I hear ya Steven!)

Do you call my name out loud often? Perhaps, late at night, in bed.....





when I say something really stupid on a thread?


And, it is fine, I respond to both pronounciations, and rarely correct people:) Call me Gilly all ya want:) (either G, or J sound:)


And, Jazzy, to read your posts, when they get quoted, I have to like, tilt the laptop at this odd angle, and squint really hard, and look at it strangely... i don't think my computer likes that color orange, onthat gray background. Lol, skylah is staring at me funny...