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Doesn't sound 'rude' at all... sounds like you're going to be one of the 'honest' crowd... welcome aboard & wear your armor!!

heheh Don't let me scare you... and I won't blame you if you turn out to be a total 'fluffie' (you'll have to look through the threads for that one), it's easier that way. But if you choose the road less travelled, you'll find you still have support.

Either way, welcome to the website.

Are you providing the body armor, cause i can already feel i may be needing it . I just like to say what i think and i am not going to just go with the random crowd. I am not a sheep. You won't hear me behind anyone bah bahing ! Thank you for the welcome. Just ask long as that wagon doesn't have C4 attached .

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critique or not to critique that is the question....prior to December and my frist sub I had hung out in the discussion forum....when I went to Singer's Showcase I was surprised that all of the coments were so "sweet", which is fine...helps the ego a lot.....but now I think I understand....maybe....kinda....

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awww, heck, no one needs BODY armor:)

And, i DO like to go through, bit by bit, and tell people EXACTLY where they go off pitch.. IF they ask for it..

but, yes... a lot of people DO know, themselves.

I NEVER need to be told i am off pitch. I can clearly hear whenever I am.. AS i am doing it... but, too late:)

I have been told I have had a couple perfect subs... but then, i listen and think.. huh? Because there ARE pitchy spots. (pitchy, as in, out of tune bits.) I agree in a way... pitchy DOES work, when there are simply too many places to list, however, the word makes NO sense, used that way.. although, we ALL know what you mean..(right? you mean out of tune:)


"pitch·y"
adj. pitch·i·er, pitch·i·est
Full of or covered with pitch.

Resembling pitch in consistency.

Extremely dark; black.



Ok, i am hung up on codeine... and this is making no sense.

I mean no harm, i am just rambling:)

and welcome, the new one:) ardis. (i am too lazy to check your spelling of your name, hope that was it:)

Where do I go to pickup my body armor......

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Ah-ha............found a few minutes before bed to get on here, and lookee what I see.

I TOLD YA SO........................ I TOLD ya so, I TOLD ya so, I TOLD ya so

syber- Wrong this time - this thread is absloutely NOTHING to do with you at all. What started this thread was due to someone else entirely. Nothing to do with MissyGG....Or your husband.
And, to clarify.....You did not "teach" the word "pitchy" to anybody here, it was around before you came. It is a word associated with singing, and as most of us here are singers- we have heard it before, and know it's meaning. It seems like yes, you do use it alot....... but you're not the only one. So, join the thread if you like- say what ya gotta say- but don't go taking credit for ME starting a thread- cause you were not even on my mind when I posted this. I know you've been waiting for a chance to say something else, but........ it just doesn't bother me.

And you need to drop the "armor"...."honest crowd"......and "fluffy" comments - those were SO last week.

Phil- You need to post it in NEON colors - the new ranking thing.
People who want ranks & critiques - give em to them (I'm just saying give them a REAL one- don't just use some overused industry term that everyone knows about and most overuse- without explaining yourself)

What you call "fluff"........Phil has aptly renamed "Just For Fun"....... so keep it that way.

To some of us- that's all we want from this site- to share music- to give & recieve comments, the "Hey great job, I was here & listened to ya" kind of comments. That's all I ask from people. But NEVER will I publicly discredit anyone and say they are "full of fluff" because they told me they liked a song. How rude would that be? Everytime someone says we "fluff" it's like saying we're all a bunch of damn liars. We are just a great big crowd who can't sing atall & lie to each other about it every day. It IS possible to listen to a song here & not find something wrong with it.

I'm just saying everyone should back up their comments with some substance....... I'm "calling your bluff" if ya wanna put it that way. Then we shall see WHO knows what they're really talking about and who doesn't. YES- there HAVE been comments about people being "pitchy" who were NOT. Syber- don't really know if you have or not- I don't follow you around SS. Haven't paid any attention. But it is doing nothing but confusing some who really want an honest comment.

To anyone who HAS the ability to call it like it is- this should not make them mad. A pro would say "Okay sure, I'll be more specific".

AND- - - - - - - - If this starts some people going around taking this request and being Jack@$$es to folks out there- ripping their songs apart- that was not my intention either. I can already see that coming. People should still (what the heck do I mean "still".....) use a little tact. We are all human, we all like to sing, we come here to share music......... so I think we should enjoy this a little more. I really think there is room for everyone to gain what they want here. It's not the Nascar Daytona 500........nobody pulls ahead here, nobody takes cash or trophies home.

This was pretty much a "generally speaking" sort of post- not pointing fingers. I COULD...... but I wont. There's really no point. Everyone has done it at some time or another I believe...... but there are some who do it on a constant basis.

GILLY- I just have to say- KNOCK IT OFF GIRL- those Evanesence songs you subbed were AWESOME........ quit being so shy about your singing. You NEED to go sing publicly so you'll SEE that you really do sound that good. Just had to say that. HAS EVERYONE HEARD HER SUBS?????

G'nite everyone.

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I have used the flatting phrase before...I figure if they don't know or can't figure it out, they can always email me to ask specifically. If you are listening to a sub, you might hear it but not take note of exactly which word, phrase, or note it is, but you still hear it. I agree it's not very helpful but then again, if they know it's there, they can then re-listen for flatting so maybe it does help? I dunno, just trying to be helpful and honest when people ask for critique.

I think that "pitch problems" is more vague, personally...
I am not offended, Syberchick. I don't necessarily agree, but if you think you are hearing pitch problems, I am happy to hear your honest critique, and yes, I would like to hear specifics so that I may listen again to see if I hear them, and can correct them in the future.

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fluff

n 1: any light downy material
2: something of little value or significance [syn: bagatelle,
frippery, frivolity]
3: a blunder (especially an actor's forgetting the lines)
v 1: make a mess of, destroy or ruin [syn: botch, bumble, fumble,
botch up, muff, blow, flub, screw up, ball
up, spoil, muck up, bungle, bollix, bollix up,
bollocks, bollocks up, bobble, mishandle, louse
up, foul up, mess up, (@$%&#!) up]
2: erect or fluff up; "the bird ruffled its feathers" [syn: ruffle]
3: ruffle by combing towards the ends towards the scalp, for a
full effect; of hair [syn: tease]

critique

n 1: an essay or article that gives a critical evaluation (as of
a book or play) [syn: review, critical review, review
article]
2: a serious examination and judgment of something;
"constructive criticism is always appreciated" [syn: criticism]
v : appraise critically; "She reviews books for the New York
Times"; "Please critique this performance" [syn: review]

fun

adj : providing enjoyment; pleasantly entertaining; "an amusing
speaker"; "a diverting story"; "a fun thing to do"
[syn: amusing, amusive, diverting, fun]
n 1: activities that are enjoyable or amusing; "I do it for the
fun of it"; "he is fun to have around" [syn: merriment,
playfulness]
2: verbal wit (often at another's expense but not to be taken
seriously); "he became a figure of fun" [syn: play, sport]
3: violent and excited activity; "she asked for money and then
the fun began"; (colloquial) "they began to fight like
fun"
4: a disposition to find (or make) causes for amusement; "her
playfulness surprised me"; "he was fun to be with" [syn: playfulness]

I know that there is more...

These should so.

Basically, I think that if someone asks to be critiqued they are seeking advice on where there are errors that they can fix. Please provide them with as much detail as possible. You now have 1000 characters, this post is just under 2000, including all spaces. Maybe I should allow for even more space... However, I rarely see anyone use it.

Only problem with giving those specific critiques is, there are so many songs to listen to, I'd rather hear more songs then go back and listen to one that has bad notes, just so I can pinpoint exactly where they are.....so unless someone emails me specifically to ask me where they are having the problems, I probably won't be able to do that.
If you are getting a lot of comments that say there are pitch problems, you might want to take voice lessons (there is where you can get not only specific critique, but advice on how to fix it). Unless you want to mail me a CD of your songs, then I'd be happy to be more specific.

I'm always open for trading tapes or CD's with anyone, whether for critiquing or just for fun!

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I hear they sell it at wal-mart now.....

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Ardis

"silly"
Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense; foolish.
Lacking seriousness or responsibleness; frivolous: indulged in silly word play; silly pet names for each other.
Semiconscious; dazed: knocked silly by the impact


"goose"
Any of various wild or domesticated water birds of the family Anatidae, and especially of the genera Anser and Branta, characteristically having a shorter neck than that of a swan and a shorter, more pointed bill than that of a duck.

The female of such a bird.

The flesh of such a bird used as food.


Informal. A silly person.

pl. goos·es A tailor's pressing iron with a long curved handle.

Slang. A poke, prod, or pinch between or on the buttocks.





Soooo.... that was redundant... "Silly Goose", if you CAN informally use the word goose to mean a "silly person"... YOu only needed to refer to me as a goose. Unless i AM a silly SILLY person.... well, I am.....
But, I would appreciate a silly goose on my buttocks... wait.. who gooses BETWEEN the buttocks?! what is with that?!

Look! it is me, and my SS friends, in a new book!

ok... WHAT?! then, why i am i HERE?!! Here I was waiting for my cash and trophies! I feel cheated.. darnnit, I am taking my ball and going HOME..... Thanks for telling me SOOO Late in the game blue... wait.. maybe you WANT me to leave, so that YOU CAN win the cash and trophies!! I KNEW IT! Ok, I am staying then.

ROTFL!!! Oh, now I'll never get that image outta my head!!! ol

Ok Charmin... you say you don't critique! HA...thats not true...you use to critique my spelling all the time!! ... Well..that really hurt! I was just crushed when I saw you correcting me way back when ... remember way back when .... oh those were the days! ... Well.. I just wanted to clear that up ...

About that critiquing songs thingy... I just think you have said what everyone was thinking.. You seem to visit the forums when you feel something obvious and relevant should be brought up.. Common sense seems to be one of your many talents!!!!!!!

and for the record... those were typos...not spelling errors...!! Well... thats the way I remember it!!! hehe...

I'm late for work!!!... gotta go!!!

OK - I vowed I was stayin out of the forums but I don't think I can get screamed at for this...



I'm not arguing with you Suzanne, just voicing an observation that I've seen. Part of the problem is that most subs I've seen where there's anything mentioned about pitch problems in the comments has been by one or maybe 2 people at the most and the other comments on it (sometimes more than 10 people) don't seem to notice pitch problems, at least they don't comment on it if they do.

So then the person who sang the song sits back and wonders if it's really there & where it is since nothing specific was mentioned or is the person who commented the one that has a hearing problem. (Yes Syber - you were specific where you felt I was off pitch on my subs that I asked for - thank you but I'm talkin here from things that I've seen on other people's subs & not necessarily from you 'K?)

Then you look at other comments made by some people and see that they throw around the term "pitchy" in almost every single comment they make on other people's subs so then you begin to think that they were searching for something 'musical' to say and that's the best they could come up with.

I can't wait until next week when American Idol comes on again & Simon teaches us new musical words to quote.

'K Blue - I put my 2 cents in - I agree with what you've said - specific is better but only on the subs that actually ASK for that type of feedback.

More must be taken into consideration here. "Critiquing those that critique", wouldn't be necessary if more people actually understood how to critique. This within itself is an area of skill. Having a musician, professional artist, especially a professional vocalist, (even someone with training in psychology) write an article in here on how to CONSTRUCTIVELY critique would be beneficial. This is an area that incorporates psychology, and hopefully an educated understanding in the area the individual is evaluating another in.
Critiquing constructively MUST involve an element of tact, lest it's no longer constructive. Anyone can be a "critic" (Even the camouflaged basher looking to hurt somebody because their boss beat them up at work that day, and they need a scapegoat). In many cases a critic however will be referred to as "the sidewalk foreman".
I personally won't criticise anyone here yet. Compliment them, sure. That doesn't hurt feelings.
Just because a person states "Please offer criticism", or "I won't hold it against you if you tell me I suck" doesn't mean they can actually handle even the best meaning critique. I personally believe that prior to evaluating another individual, the person doing the evaluating should be somewhat familiar with the individual they are evaluating, not just the subject matter itself. A person with a delicate ego, that says "please critique me", best not be critiqued in a visible to all venue. In fact, it might even be questionable whether or not there actually is benefit to publically viewed criticisms in a " must have fun as a priority" type setting.
I certainly would say to the skilled talented vocalist with a very good ear who just got lazy during a performance:

"Pay closer attention to your pitch" (and I'd be specific)

To the person who has a very difficult time matching pitch to begin with, and obviously has no real future in any aspect of singing. I'd say nothing regarding their obvious lack of ability.

Remember you are critiquing the person performing, not just a song


Steve

G,Morning everybody....... still yawning-stretching-and trying to come to life.

Gilly- dang it all, ya figured me out. I WAS trying to get ya to leave. Hahaha.......silly goose.

Phil-Jazzybags- Suzanne- Dona (HEY- I wasn't talking about critiquing SPELLING- that's a bad habit- I vow I will quit that immediately, gosh knows I make typos too), Cindy, I think you all get the point of this thread.

I am not "critiqued" myself, everyone knows that- but I was once- and if I were, well........I've pointed out my reasoning for this thread. I wont repeat it all cause Phil will surely steal my keyboard if I keep posting books. But it's nice to see that everyone understands (most of you) that this was NOT a flaming thing. I know most people agree with this- it just has not been said yet. (or has it & I missed it??)

Steven Kaplan- Hi, I don't think I've met you before. What you say is true- which is why I don't critique people either- go read my comments you'll see that. The only advice I EVER give is something to do with a mixing thing...... like the vocal level is too low, or the sub is distorted. I never give singing critiques. I could, but it's just my 2 cent opinion if I do and I do not consider myself a "pro" in any area of music...... so my opinion may vary from others.
That is kinda my point here. Those who DO know what they are reallllllyyyy hearing should elaborate a little so the singer can #1- know the critiquer knows the ropes, #2- Can improve where needed- not twist the song all up & sing the whole dang thing off key because they truly did not hear where they were pitchy, and assumes it was in the wrong places. Myself- I don't wanna go there. It is not going to make a difference in anyone's life if I say "I enjoyed this" or if I say "You were flat on the intro to the chorus- and you're drifting too sharp on that last high note". So.....there are plenty others on here who can- and will do that. Jazzybags- you can- your ability speaks volumes. I would trust anything you told me about my subs. Not to discredit anyone else here- Jazzy just came to mind.

Okay- gotta go to the hospital and see my new little great- nephew...... Phoenix Sky...... born at 6:00 this morning.

Thanks to everyone who came in here to speak their mind. And Dona.....ssshhhhhhh...... I'm "pretending" I have common sense, and I think all these people are falling for it..... don't blow my cover.

EDITED FOR A SPELLING ERROR ONLY>>>>>haha, if there are more, sorry- I'm in a hurry to go see the new baby

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OOH! great little name for a little baby:) I got strange looks with my daughters name:) Your nephew and her share the "Sky" part:) Post some pics:) I love babies... no, i am NOT HAVING MORE!!! (you would be shocked at how often perfect strangers suggest I pop out another little wrinkled up, diaper wetting monster..... (don't i sound like i love kids?:)

OKAY- I have GOT to close my eyes and quit looking at these threads or I will be the LAST of my relatives to see that baby. And then I will have absolutely NO bragging rights.

Gilly.....I'm taking my new digital camera up there, so I'll post a couple pics when I get back. I'm sure the little guy is indeed red & wrinkled, haha.

You need to have ONE more little playmate for Skylah- did I spell that right?!?! I had 4 and sometimes wish I would have tried for one more girl. I have 3 boys & only 1 daughter..... and she hates not having a sister.

But I'm too dang old now. So I'll wait 'till I become a gramma and be satisfied with spoiling all my little nieces & nephews for now.

Okay.....I'm realllllyyyyyy going to get dressed & leave now.

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