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....................... Oh........ hmmm.... yesh...

What she said... ditto fer me

(except of course in the case of people who just say things to be be mean & nasty in which case I reserve the right to slap the livin (@$%&#!) outta them)

ahem..

[edited to remove bad smilie] - argh!!! thought this was somewhere else!!!

cheap headset mic plugged into cheap sound'card' (integrated into my motherboard actually) and CEP - until I can get a copy of Cubase. [/img]

I would like to find a local rock band, sing lead, and perhaps play rhytm (once my guitar skills as well as simul capacity improves).

As such I welcome/beg for constructive critiques (you suck even if true won't help me too mcuh ) so that I can improve to the point where I can audition for some of the bands looking for fronts. I know I have a long way to go but I promise I will work on it...

Since I am not a native english speaker I also welcome any corections to my pronounciations.

To help me track progress and decide what to work on I would be even happier if you could rate my stuff in: pitch, emotion, timing, etc. Each from 1 to 5. There should be enough space there now.

You have probably seen most of my equipment ( http://www.karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic. ... c&start=50 ). For recording I use the Audix OM5(/Shure SM58?) on a stand with a pop filter into the mixer. The direct out of the mixer is connected into an Audigy 2 sound card. The music and vocal are mixed on the mixer for direct monitoring. All subsequent processing and mixing is done with Adobe Audition using a pair of book shelf speakers as near field monitors.

I look forward to receiving all your great critiques.

BTW. the subs I have on SS now are really old (and crummy). No need to critique those

i missy gg solemly sheshhh can't spell it after 2 bottles of wine ...and a happy new year to ya all hehehehe...now where was i

oh yeah i swear that i dint..mean dont want no critique...hang on...errr don;t want no bitching bout ma vocals but ya can tell me bout recording cause that gets on ma nerves hehehe...oh no where was i errrrrrr

yes i swear that i will try ma hardest to give critique when i know full well that i wont offend and know what i am talking about...else tough ya get fluff like or lump it ol

i only sub for fun but yes even i have a thick skin if ya gonna tell me ma recordings suck and how to work adobe audition properly ...other than that ma recordings are for fun...ya know i really should not be here worse for wear at 6.25am cause i am gonna read this back and regret it i am sure ol

happy new year peeps!!! keep singing ya all class acts

Allright then!!! Get in gear and get some subs online.

As long as you promise not to make me cry!!

Morten

Listen buddy... you said you want honesty...
I'm kidding of course. I'm sure you do well anyway, but I for one would be happy to give you some feedback if you want & when yer ready.

Looking forward to your subs.

As Stephen once posted, if a singer is offkey most of the sub, it may not be really worth it to note it in your critique. One must assume the singer has a good enough ear to hear when they are off and since they are primarily off, or off enough to be painful, they may not have ear to hear it. If so, there is ear training, but for some I think they will never improve their pitch control.

Even a just for fun is for others to hear, and some consideraton should be given in terms of the listeners. Of course, here is a not so secret. Some people dream of being a vocal superstar, making millions, touring, cutting records, and well, perhaps those people are what critique is for, and the others who like to sub the equivalent of singing in the shower, should just put things up for pure fun.

Now as a 9 year old, I was a master at the game pretend. And of course it can be played by a group. I mean reality for the group is agreement, and if they all say X person is incredible, in many cliche's and phrases, and are having a lot of fun, no one like someone saying it wasn't that great.

In Up the Down Staircase a girl has a crush on an English teacher and writes him a love note. He takes her love note and painfully critiques the grammar and spelling. The girl commits suicide.

So in critiquing, as Lincoln kinda said, you may be able to please some of the time, but if you try to please all of the people all of the time - now wait a minute - it can work in here and you can be loved by all, but maybe not respected quite as much.

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so you think that the vast majority of those people who sub here just for fun have no desires to make it in the industry?

ok, have you thought that many of those that sub for fun are quite happy with the way their vocals sound, and do not feel in necessary to ask for critique because they are contented with the work they produce, or perhaps they already make a living from singing, or even get the professional guidence from elsewhere from someone who's in the industry or knows about vocals.

i think you are trying to bunch together a group of people and giving the complete wrong reasons behind the just for fun.

many of the ones on this site who i personally feel are the most talented do only sub for fun...and we cant all be wrong because many of those are the ones who get the most listens as well.

i think perhaps you ponder things a little too deeply mr jean...take a good listen to everyone that subs for fun and tell me that you think all of those people are the singing in the shower types lmaoooo

i think you will find as ive found that for the most they are the ones that are most comfortable in what they do...and that's entertain they dont need to sit for hours thinking oh (@$%&#!) whats someone gonna say about emotion, pitch, mixing etc...they can just sit back chilled and sing...and yeah it works cause then you get good recordings.

Note Missy... he did not say ALL the folks putting up 'just for fun' subs were 'in the shower' types. He simply said that those who are NOT interested in improving their voices, and do not want to recieve feedback, should not put up critique subs.

He doesn't know all the hooplah that's been going on about the 'just for fun' and the 'critique me' crowd. He has put up a few 'just for fun' himself.

Here's a problem I have with this issue. Since so many of us are new here, there's guess work as to those submitting songs who might be paying lip service to the critique issue, and those who genuinely want it (not to mention can handle it once they receive it).

There's also another issue I'm not familiar with, those who sing and really care if newbies such as myself listen or not, can help me.
MANY MANY types of people post songs. Some just do it, and don't take it as seriously as others. Some do care if someone such as little 'ol me listens. Others couldn't give a rat's patooty. We find out from some during their dusgruntled last message in fact, that they are leaving here because they didn't get attention after going thru the effort of submitting.

I personally can't "grade", nor would I even if I could, Yet I can critique, and if A person want's total honesty, they really would need to specify this. I surmise most do not want this in public.

Like most when I peruse the song list, I pay attention to songs I like, listening to ALL of you isn't fun, let's be honest here. We don't all like ALL music.

Also, I will listen to a few of you I have gotten to know, those whom I've gotten to know I can sense their level of tolerance.

So..... If you want listeners, and you want SOME degree of feedback, DON'T assume people like me know this. Tell me !


Face it. Some just don't want more than friends stroking their ego. Others don't care about that, and want to better their singing abilities. If you want an audience, and roses thrown, say that too. WE DON'T KNOW otherwise

STATE YOUR NEEDS, AS WELL AS YOUR BOUNDARIES !

A problem many listeners have, is we assume your submission IS your final product. Not a rough concept. IF it's the best you can do, and you are finished with the piece. Why would you want a critique anyway ?

A simple comment is easy, it takes no time, An honest critique takes time, and thought. I doubt anyone wishes to devote time trying to help a person who will end up feeling hurt by anything less than "decent job"

My own need, is that I need to know the person submitting can handle a "critique", otherwise I'll leave "good job" if I even listen at all.

Also it would help to know something about the actual person getting critiqued. The person who sings at home because they are enjoying it, won't receive the same critique as the person who is moving to hollywood next week to make it in the industry. There are levels of critique

THanks dudes and Dudettes

excellent points, Steven.
Many ppl (and no, not ALL) choose the critique option and then are upset or hurt when someone does just that. critique.
I think if people wish to use the critique option, they need to be able to have a thick enough skin to take whatever negative feedback they get. Now, I'm not saying that if you choose to be critiqued then that's opening the door to insults and degrading comments, because that's absolutely wrong.

BUT! I think that if someone DOES leave a less-than-fantastic comment on someone's sub... I think the singer should try to not to get so upset. Maybe they read the comment wrong. Maybe the commenter wasn't being mean or poking fun.... they were just misunderstood.

This seems to be happening CONSTANTLY! ppl getting misunderstood. It's very difficult to interpret a comment without seeing body language, facial expressions, tone of voice, etc... I think many of us need to give people the benefit of the doubt when reading posts and comments. Look at it another way, or read it again...instead of just assuming their being attacked...

If you use the critique option, EXPECT less than perfect comments
If you use the critique option, DON'T expect to only get critique from your buddies, cuz nobody's gonna know that you only meant for your friends to be the critiquers (is that a word?)

I agree that we all need to be more specific as to what our expectations are on our subs.
If you're a sensitive person... and you want to be critiqued, well maybe in your description, say something like "critique, but please be gentle" and I'm sure people will abide by that.

I have never... and I can TRUTHFULLY say this.... EVER seen a critique that was mean-spirited or hurtfull on purpose! Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places, but those who have been known to be the "bad guys" I honestly don't think they INTEND to be. Myself included. They're just giving their opinions and it's neither wrong nor right. You can choose to listen to them or ignore them, instead of starting threads about how rude someone was to bring down my rank..

Just my two cents...

DISCLAIMER -- In no way was this post sarastic, or mean, or angry.
and in no way was in directed to one particular person

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Crystal, true. I know I wouldn't wish to try to help a person, only to find I offended them by unintentionally deflating their ego. A critique takes time, and needs to be thought out.


I'm amazed that people haven't said, "I want your critiques, yet PM them to me, I don't want the world to see them".


This to me is VERY logical !


another consideration which noone has mentioned is that the person critiquing or commenting should never use the comment box option as a means of getting, or shifting attention to themselves. This is the performing persons submission, and not open microphone night !

it is VERY logical...

maybe they could sub as "Just For Fun" but in their description say "If you can critique, please do! But in a pm"

Brilliant

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Steve & Crystal,

Very good points, both of you. I agree it's like the following scenario. Oh, I will just enter this contest, I know I want place and I don't care and when they don't place......... go off in a big hissy fit as to why so and so placed and they didn't, it must be fixed...etc...etc...

If you can't stand the heat (ask for honest comments) get out of the kitchen, sub. for fun only !!!!

At the end of the day comments are just someone's opinion, not cast in stone, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god !!!!

Amen

Lady Di

! i'm really beginning to like you Di!

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