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So if KSF, SBI, and Sunfly or any other online portal can survive with everyday users generating enough sales, why is PEP still focused on the hosts, and not tapping into this new source of revenue? Why do they keep beating a dead horse, why not try and develop their own online portal service? It would be a lot easier than beating the bushes with their legal stick hoping a host will fly out so they can shoot and bag him.

How do you know?

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DJ Don

Because I just know.

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-Chris

No one knows what the nose knows

It has been discussed a bit, but I feel like I should clarify my previous post.

When I said that PEP was 'selling' their GEM sets, I was referring to the original up front cost they charge for leasing the music.

it is not actually a sale but a lease. However PEP/Soundchoice did purchase every single set they own thru the UK legally, which means that the end user pays for the right to use the karaoke tracks on the discs for a period of five years.

If PEP wanted to, they could sell the sets outright and they would be perfectly legal to use in a show, however the minute they sold a set they would lose all control over how it was used or re-sold, which is why they opted for the lease.

You are still legally allowed to use the music that the GEM contains, but if you ever get out of the karaoke business you either have to send the discs back, or re-sell your lease to another host

The only sticking point is that Karaoke Music contains a right that is retained by the original copyright holder *like Sony or EMI* and therefor the transfer of that music/lyric display is not part of the rights that PEP owns, which means that the original copyright holder could technically go after you if they wanted to.

HOWEVER given the fact that PRO fees are payed by most venues that have karaoke *in fact here in Canada there is actually a line/calculation specifically for karaoke* the likelyhood of this happening is about the same as getting struck by lightening and winning the lottery on the same day in other words, practically non-existent.

If you wanted the GEM set and stay 100% undesputed legal, you would have to import each song into your karaoke database and swap out the discs as each song you need is played.


The other options are as mentioned 1. Get an Audit for SC and/or Chartbuster karaoke tracs 2. Use a different brand that doesn't care

hope that clarifies things

-James

This stubborn retention of their rights to whatever product they have left indicates to me that they have no intention of trying any new approach to marketing their product. If the majority of new label material is being bought by customers other than hosts, and that the companies are making profits, why hasn't PEP followed suit? Are they admitting that they can't learn new tricks?

I know.

It's not rocket science.

As long as Harrington can keep your nose(s) pressed and distracted against 1 or 2 issues and empty promises, you'll never look at the big picture.

How many of you actually believe that Slep & Harrington's organization --- after 7 years --- is going to produce anything other than lawsuits.... ever?

Sometimes I think Harrington is like the tribal laundry lady and KJ's that want to believe him are the laundry: He'll keep beating them against a rock for every dime he can clean out of them ..... And they'll just think they're getting "cleaner" and it's a good thing.


Case in point:
Ask yourself why Slep really dumped Slep-Tone Entertainment and created PEP.... If you believe Harrington's (hogwash) story, then you're part of the (ongoing) problem.

I smell poop again.....

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-Chris

So do I Chris, is the reason PEP can't produce new product, that they have to license or lease the product they have, because they no longer own their own material, their only product is what they have made in the past?

Speaking of smelling poop...

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DJ Don

Who do you believe buys more music.....singers or KJ's?

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-Chris

For (@$%&#!)'s sake, just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Since I have Mr. Staley blocked, I can't be sure, but based on this response, I'm guessing he made something up again. Since the board administrators have made it clear that they aren't interested in enforcing the rules against him, I guess we'll just have to leave it at that. (And if they happen to wonder why we're not advertising with Karaoke Scene anymore, or sponsoring their contests, I guess they'll have their answer, too.)

More a matter of when I smell (@$%&#!), I try not to step in it.

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-Chris

if this is true, then it wasn't hosts who put SC out of business by not buying, but it was everyday users.
though i feel it is not entirely correct, most everyday users are like the ones that come to our shows...they just download what they want for free.
look through your own shows, there are more singers with more songs than any of us have at each show.
every host has a dozen or more singers at their shows (no....not all at once every day) with 200k songs and offering to give us copies so we can have their favorites. they are the ones that don't care about stealing.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

During the last few years I was full time hosting I noticed that many singers had hard drives they had purchased with 100's of thousands of songs for around $400 to $700.00. Some of them were copying the hard drives and giving them as Christmas and Birthday gifts to other singers. It's no secret the home user has been the real abuser in the pirate story. It is sort of a love hate relation with them and the host, at least the legal one's. The host knows what's going on but the singers support his show, quite an ethical problem. We know for practical reasons it is impossible to go after the home abuser problem. That leaves the commercial host who while is still a small part of the market is the most visible target for the particular marketing approach of PEP.

Sorry Jimmy didn't mean to step on your toes, when you going to try and bring your show back to California?

Both singers and kjs pirate and purchase music. How do I know? Because I just know.

Who do I *believe* buys more music? I'd think the numbers are pretty close. Besides you, who else says singers buy more music than kjs? Do they 'just know', too? Do you think there's some way the sellers can know who's a kj and who's not? I don't. So... how do you 'just' know?

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DJ Don

Start plugging numbers into these equations to see how much more music KJ's would have to be buying to outpace all other purchasers and it becomes very plain that KJ's cannot possibly be generating the BULK of sales.

X = # of KJ's
PX = percentage of X that pays for music
A = average number of tracks per year that each PX buys
AC = average cost of a track in $

PX * A * AC = total sales in $ by KJ's


Y = # of KJ's
PY = percentage of X that pays for music
B = average number of tracks per year that each PY buys
BC = average cost of a track in $

PY * B * BC = total sales in $ by all others

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-Chris

Still doesn't explain who we 'think' buys more music. It also doesn't conclude that the manu's can survive without kj's purchasing their product.

So you don't have an answer.

And no. What you just posted is not an answer. It's an empty, equation with no numbers. Give me the numbers from a real source.

X= amount of money spent on music by KJs
Y= amount of money spent on music by everyone else

Those are the only numbers that matter.

Only then can you even *begin* to conclude that the manufacturers can survive without kjs.

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DJ Don