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It isn't my job to have to dig into every provider's bucket and see if they are doing things the right way. I assume that if a company is providing content I can get to, then they are doing things the right way. If a UK company isn't providing legal content to the US, it's the job of someone else to get the content blocked. I'll continue to buy from TriceraSoft or anyone else that offers content I want. I am certainly not going to look at any of this mess through a lawyer's glasses. The absolute truth rarely matters in court.

Same here. It's been one of 2 main gotos for new songs for the last 5 years or so. I do hope it all works out.

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One can buy Cocaine through the Internet if one knows where to look. Certainly I can't get in any trouble for buying because the seller must have gotten approval to sell it. If it were illegal to sell/buy, someone else should have blocked the site or had it taken down.

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-Chris

[sarcasm]No truth to the rumor that companies have been sued for selling more product than they were licensed for, right? [/sarcasm]

One can also make a very ridiculous comparison, but everyone understands that it is a very ridiculous comparison.

I don't have to chase down producers when I buy a song from Itunes just to make sure they paid for the right to sell me that song. I don't have to check to make sure Netflix has paid for the right to stream a movie to me. Those things are implied because the content is available and it's actually none of my business. By this logic, we should have been able to check to see if SC paid their fees, but we were told it wasn't our business by SC and echoed by some who are probably saying we should be checking now. Which way is it? I've always thought that was between SC and the rights holders and none of my business

That's just the way it is.

The only persons that can verify the fees were paid, are the rights holders.
And the way the system is set up, that requires more resources than most rights holders have.
You and I have "No Standing" to ask these questions.

You can't ask the ASCAP/BMI groups either..
(They are to forward royalties to rights holders)
They will assure you to Eff off, and stay out of their business.

A simple Google search will point you to lawsuits against music producers, claiming non payment of royalties. And movie production companies, and talent agencies, and so on and so on. This is systematic of the entertainment industry at all levels.

That's exactly right. I don't think you can be in that business without expecting to pay some major counselor fees. Sometimes I think its the lawyers driving the industry more than anything else. Easy soft targets because the laws are so flimsy.

Anyway, I believe people should afford Tricerasoft the same leeway as they would anyone else that gets caught in one of these messes. He's been damn good for the industry and a pioneer at that.

I have used Tricerasoft for years (SE 1.0 w/dongle long ago), I even bought music videos from them. I never felt they were doing things illegally.

That being said, until this is resolved, they should make sure they operate carefully with respect to the law and pull things that they have issue with.

Looking forward to using them again in the near future.

My point is this - Just because it is available for purchase on the Internet doesn't mean it is legal (or right) to do so. Neither does it indemnify you from any fallout.

There is also a huge difference between Apple and Tricerasoft. Netflix and Tricerasoft. Multiple Millions of users using practically household names services with huge exposure vs 10's of thousands of niche customers using a niche service.

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So many of you have taken the word of SC that all their material is said to be legal, though they have been sued. Many of you were confident that CB was legal, and they got sued out of existence. Stellar can't even sell their DIY karaoke nonsense. So that is the big three. KSF says they are licensed. Tricerasoft says they are licensed. All Star, DTE, and KV are all supposed to be licensed. How in the HELL do we know who is truly licensed. What if you were to find out that NOBODY is licensed to produce or SELL Karaoke, and never have been??

I have a business to run. I have customers to please. I could not care less about who is licensed and who isn't. If you are offering Karaoke downloads, and they aren't anything to do with SC, I will buy from you. Simple as that!! (This is going out to known Karaoke companies and distributors, not little private people who doctor up their own tracks.).

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And your point is flawed. No, your point is wrong. Buying from the internet is no different than buying from anywhere else. 99.99% of the time you can buy the same product in a store or over the internet. It's no different. And buying from Apple is no different than buying from Tricerasoft. If Apple isn't doing what it's suppose to do, it's someone else's job to police that. If Tricerasoft isn't doing what it's suppose to do, it's someone else's job to police that. Not only is it not my job, I have zero means.

You like to pick and choose where you apply logic more often than not. And it shows.

Ive been able to find more stuff on the internet that aren't available in brick and mortar stores anymore.

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To clarify, my 99.99% statement was purchases in general. Streams and digital purchases can fall in the .01 range. You don't make laws or exceptions for .01. By this logic, I purchased almost all my discs through the internet so I should have a right to demand those makers to provide proof they are OK from the original rights holder. I have what was arguably the largest online disc provider right in my town. Doo Wop. I could buy online from them or go to the store. I could purchase custom discs from them or I could go in, sit at a computer, and have them make it while I was in the store. By this logic, I should have demanded they prove they actually had the rights to sell me discs or custom burns for my online purchases but not for the store visits. It's pick and choose logic.

Uhhhh... Stellar is out of business.

Which would you rather do.....buy an iPhone from an Apple Store......or a street vendor........or a Chinese web site? Which do you think has the greatest chance of being authentic?

I mean no disrespect to the folks at Tricerasoft, but they don't have the same reputation as Apple.

Buying an SBI track from SBI guarantees I am at least getting an "original" product and should be able to assume licensing is on the up and up. Buying an SBI track anywhere else - including Tricerasoft - leaves some gaps in the licensing process.



On the surface, I agree 100%. We should not have to even worry about it. But that isn't the reality which is readily apparent from lawsuits and take down orders.

You do have the means to do the basics, you just don't have the motivation or perhaps desire. I have both because I run a business that pays all my bills. Just because we shouldn't have to, doesn't mean we can ignore that we really do have to do some basic checking.

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Are they selling karaoke discs online again? They had quit a couple years ago and told me they were not going to sell karaoke anymore once they deplete their stock.

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I don't know, Lonnie. I'd be glad to swing in and see if they have anything left for ya. It was great though. I could order one day and it would be at my door the next.

simple....
if we replace the name "Tricerasoft" with "Sound Choice", then everyone would say the allegations are completely false. just replace it in your mind and you should feel fine buying from a source that has been selling for many years to most all of us and treated us well doing so.

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I think they're just in the rental business now.

It seems that many KJs are only concerned with being legal in the eyes of one particular family business because that one family business is the only one doing any barking about what is legal and what is not legal. they have scared enough KJs into thinking that they could get in some kind of trouble if they don't follow their own set of karaoke rules and that is the only way they can generate any kind of income from karaoke. Even some of the die hard "legal" regular KJs have said they they could survive without any new tracks at all. Since the "Family Business" hasn't put out a new song in six years, these KJs have come to the realization that their particular brand of music isn't as necessary as they once believed. They haven't lost any shows in the last 6 years because there were no new tracks produced by this once Big Time Karaoke Producer so why even give it a second thought? I think that the Sabre rattling has run it's course and most of the low lying fruit has been picked from that tree. Karaoke has proven to ne bigger than any one company. There are more shows than ever before with more songs to choose from than ever before. The venues don't care who is legal and neither do the singers who spend money at those bars. The war on karaoke piracy has done about as well as America's war on drugs.