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So after studying a buttload of posted links and further youtube videos, i finally decided that i understood enough to at least try out the 'max out every channel, back off a bit and then turn the sensitivity knob to a comfortable level" method of gain structure.

So i got out my behringer mixer, mackie 10" active sub and a whole buttload of different wires and my wireless mic.

Oh man, i couldn't believe it, i was FLOORED for the first time in doing karaoke for THREE years i could ACTUALLY get the gain to a point where i could mix around unity which i already knew what was supposed to happen, but was never able to achieve *my mics would be maxing out just barely after turning the fader a couple of mm from off*

My amp was only at 12 o'clock and it was as loud as i could stand it, CRYSTAL clear as all get out and absolutely NO feedback.

Thanks for the heads up everyone

-James

Here's Y0re Prize..

Some might say this is a Trick in the recording world to "Max out your Channel Gains in the red (20DB) and then drop your Masters 20DB (or just a couple ticks almost off) resulting in a very cool Clean mix but with the tube style "Bite"

I personally do not recommend this, but hey, too each his own.

sensitivity is the gain. he maxed out his faders and raised the gain to the level he liked. not a proper way, but not what you described.
explain your 20 years experience again not knowing what sensitivity is....
plus where have you come across a meter that maxes out at 20? most stop by +16 and that is anything but a clean mix.

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I am not gonna try to explain in detail. If you don't get it, then you just don't get it, but if you do get it you know what I mean.
Please note that if you boost two channels +20db that's (+40DB boost between both channels) then lower the master an additional -20DB (-40DB)

(@$%&#!) sensitivity

Here watch a video instead.


OK lets get serious. Watch this one instead.

that video just proved my point.
1) gain = sensitivity...you missed that before and thought they were different.
2) most meters stop at +16 like those even on the SC mixer
3) going into the red (+12, +16) does not give a nice tube "bite", unless you are using a tube pre or are going onto tape in recording. in live or digital you just get crackly distortion.

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i'm not referring to the meters, I'm referring to Boosting channel "input" gain into the "Red" +20DB (Distortion will occur when going to 45 - 50 DB) and lowing the "Output" -20 DB (master faders) resulting ain a "Hot" but clean sound.

This is besides gain structures, It's just a trick in the "Digital" recording world tis all.

me too...


now if you are talking about how much gain is being applied to the mic, than you are still wrong. adding 20dB gain to a 58 won't put you into the red, unless you have a singer with volume. i'll clip it at the setting., but the next singer will be nearly inaudible. this is what i am talking about. when you have spoken about gain you give absolutes and there is no such thing. if you push a mic into the red continuously (that is +16 for most mixers) you are clipping. that is not a smooth tube llike distortion, but a hard clip (with the exception of high end boards...Midas, SSL etc).


lowering the faders does nothing for the already slipped signal distorting. it's already ruined.
running hot into an old Studer is a normal occurrence, but that is tape saturation, not signal clipping.


digital is the last place you want to run hot. in digital you actually run signals lower than in the analog world.

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Nevermind... you don't understand what i'm saying, let's just forget about it. You are correct in things you mention but you're not understanding what I mean here. It's OK though. You're a man... carry on.