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Song by song releases.
There will be many, many more releases.
If not, refund.
Marked down.

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i can see it being tough after 3-5 discs, each set of credits is worth a different amount depending on how many songs get made. if you buy into all 4 discs and the first makes 8 the second 10 the third 12 and the fourth 9, all those credits are worth different amounts.


most of us already do that. KV has had that option for a long time for a lower price per track, and now Karaoke.net does as well (plus they have gotten no fly list artists to sign off, Pink Floyd for starters). don't make it sound like this is a new idea that no one else has. and save up to buy credits for what songs? maybe after we see a track list, but to buy credits for songs that you will never use....


Karaoke.net has made that a reality already, but only for them.


no argument here.

lets do the math 480 reservations at $30 per = $14,400 that's not even CLOSE to that original number. So obviously PEP is willing to 'put up or shut up' as the saying goes


no FUD or hating, but it is what it is and you are making it to be more than what it is. if they put up the old library for download with the new screen and security measures, they would do very well and i would even buy in (knowing what i'm getting, but Friday can assuage that) if they made it $2.50 per track (in between Karaokecloud and Karaoke Version pricing) i think most would jump on board and spend a lot of money. i know a lot of us are willing and ready to spend a lot with karaoke.net seeing what they are doing. the program is established to get the business of karaoke hosts, just duplicate with your own material and run.

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"Paradigm Karaoke" brought up an interesting point.Are the credits worth different amounts based on how many songs were released on a specific set? If Set 1 has 8 songs, and Set 2 has 12, and I have 3 credits from Set 1 and 1 credit from Set 2, are those 4 credits equal to 4 songs, or would the 3 credits from Set 1 only be equal to 2 credits because Set 2 had 12 songs (making credits to be used from Set 1 equal to 1.5 per song)?


@Jim Harrington: Could you please elaborate on this a bit more? Let's say "Sound Choice Advance Set 1" (SCAS 1) is only going to have 8 song tracks on it, and I don't like 4 of them. You are saying that I now can accept the 4 tracks I like from SCAS 1, and receive 4 credits (to be applied towards 4 future song releases). If I am expected to pre-pay $30 for (the possible upcoming) SCAS 2 (which will have 8 to 12 songs in that set's release (depending on the pre-order quota being met)), how and when would I be applying the (hypothetical) 4 credits I have accumulated from SCAS 1? And what if I don't like all of the song tracks in SCAS 2's set? So far, all I'm seeing is that I would be accumulating credits as each new set is released.

Please fill in what I'm missing here.

Who came up with this number? $2,000 per track? Sorry guys you have to excuse me here. Whoever came up with this number is WAY off!

Future releases will be on a song-by-song basis. The credits you receive with "SCAS 1" will be worth one song each. We're still working on the details, but you will be able to use the credits you receive on future songs regardless of prepayment status.

Responses are italicized. But again i'm not making this out to be the only solution. Just an option that will contribute to making things better. I am willing to spend a little bit extra to improve the whole industry, and I also happen to agree that if PEP opens up their previous catalog for sale by digital download then I will be spending even more money that I would otherwise. Also why not reserve judgement on song choices until an actual list is posted, who knows there could be something in there that someone has posted that KSF hasn't gotten a request for yet.

-james

Perhaps i misread the figures. Maybe it was their profitability point in retail sales. i'll try and go back and find the original post.

I have seen independent instrumental sites state they would create any instrumental track for anyone for $2000 per track. I don't think i've ever seen an actual number from one of the manus. But that number does seem quite a bit high. I've done production & recording in low rate studios and have done entire albums with bands for under $2000. Granted that was 90's to early 2000's figures using 2" analog tape & ADAT recorders. Today I can imagine it would be even less with the readily available digital recording technology anyone can get access to and do quite decent jobs right out of their own basement.

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It varies from track to track, but $2000 would be high. Of course, quality is the biggest factor. Not every producer pays as much attention to detail as we do.

Are you saying that after the release of the SCAS-1 set, new (future) song tracks will be released individually, and we can pick and choose whatever songs we desire? Or, are they going to fall under the same quota rule (release SCAS-2 set which will contain between 8 to 12 song tracks in it), and we still have to prepay $30 to have access to them? If it's the latter, then I still don't see where the accumulated credits from the (pre) purchase of SCAS-1 comes in.

I think I'm still missing something here.

I'll make it simple. If you don't like all of the songs in the first new release, you can save your credits. When we release a song you like, you can spend a credit and get that song.

now your talkin'....
make a deal with Derek and you will have a line waiting to buy credits.
just a thought, since the new tracks are going to be watermarked among other things, i assume attached to their account that they log in with to buy and store their credits (ala Karaokedownloads.ca and Karaokeversion.com), why not open it up and let everyone in. you now have full control of the new music (blue label like the GEM?) so you will know immediately what is legal and not. whether they are certified or not does not change the level of controllability of the new stuff. more people buying (because there is no other choice without a blatant sign on screen saying "i stole this" to any investigator) means more tracks can be made, and business can grow.

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Am I correct to understand that this means, after the (optimistically speaking (successful)) launch of the SCAS-1 set, you will then begin to release individual song tracks, to be purchased at any time, and not as an advanced pre-purchased set (like the 1st (hopefully) upcoming release)? If so, how much will these individual tracks be selling for? Will there be some discount program available to pre-purchase credits?.... something like purchase 10 credits for $40, 50 credits for $175, 100 credits for $300?

We haven't set all of the details yet. There will likely be some sort of prepurchasing aspect to it. There may be a discount for prepurchasing credits. But the bottom line is that if you have unused credits, you will be able to pick the songs you want when they are released.

We are also looking at the feasibility of offering extra benefits, such as underwriting credit on a track of your choice, free song slips, free kiosk software, and free merchandise, in exchange for significant prepurchases and/or crowdfunding contributions.

"Prepurchasing?" Really?

Aren't these customer ALREADY "prepurchasing" with your current panhandling marketing plan?

(hmmm, let's all prepurchase our prepurchased product so we make darn sure we've purchased it)

Holy balls Batman! If you want everything financed for you and on a silver platter, you must really think that these KJ's are a special kind of stupid.

Anyone can make the same deal their offering:
(1) pay us $10,000 in advance to making an 8-song disc.
(2) pay us again for "prepurchasing" credits
(3) we'll HIRE studio musicians (the same ones that you can hire) and pay them some of the money YOU give us to record songs and stamp our trademark on.

Hells bells, I can throw in some free song slips, a couple hats, kiosk software and a koozie cup too. And if you send in enough of your money today, I'll even put a special "thank you" on the credit screen.... whenever we come out with whatever it is we haven't decided to come with yet....

(Oh, and I'll even toss in a couple posters for your venues)

I suspect that if we somehow developed a program that would pay you cash money every time our tracks were played, you'd find a way to complain about it.

We're really sorry for ruining your life, but for your own sake, maybe you should take a break from your Sound Choice obsession, take a few deep breaths, and find a way to control your anger. You're dangerously close to a stroke.

I agree with you Jim, however he just can not walk away from his fixation with SC. The results can be tragic. If he were to stop this tirade completely, the withdrawal symptoms could be dangerous. He would probably go into convulsions until his body ultimately exploded. Not a pretty sight.

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Let's face it, at this point there are people who do not care about consequences AT ALL and will pay the $5/track or whatever it ends up being just to re-post the tracks publicly and screw PEP over. After all, the us and canada is such a big territorry, realistically what are the chances of getting caught?

No keeping it to customers who are willing to sign a contract is a necessary first step in my opinion.

Plus accounts can be hacked, and quite easily for some people. Plus if anyone can buy tracks, what is to stop someone from setting up an account with a fake name, adress etc using a TOR service to hide their actual ip address? This would make the tracks bought untraceable.

They would be better off g keeping the collection completely offline, and then establishing a direct p2p thru a linked email when the person redeems a credit. That way the song is only connected to the internet when the person is actually downloading it..A completely random event that would be nearly impossible to guess/hack the stream

-James

If you ever came up with a scheme like that, we'd probably be best buddies.... Problem is that I would probably have to "prepurchase" something first.


While you'd love for me to "take a break" and leave you to fleecing your flock unencumbered, you haven't ruined anything, as a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that I've managed to ruin more of your days than you'd care to admit. Including a few extra dents in the wallet. (I'm not angry at all about that. )

And I'm far from even getting excited enough to even raise my blood pressure. Well, that's not entirely true.... watching you squirm and come up with a thousand different reasons and excuses is so amusing... sometimes it's difficult to catch my breath...

Like watching an angry chicken dance on a hot plate....

Derek doesn't work for Stingray anymore.


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I'm not saying we wouldn't eventually open it up to anyone, but at this point there is a premium (to us) associated with confining the tracks to people who play by the rules with regard to the past material. To do otherwise would devalue the virtue of staying or getting fully legal and would be unfair to those of you who have made a commitment to play by the rules all along. I think those folks should be our priority.