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Mezza - That was actually a fairly positive critique. If I wanted to be nasty, I could have said much worse. I'm not here to put 'fun' in my comments, but anyone could easily see that I was actually trying to encourage you to do better. I don't have a problem with 'warm fuzzies', but none of us are going to become better vocalists from hand-holding.

I DEFINITELY second THAT 'emotion'

Bingo! What also happens is that people go out with the SS bells still ringing in their ears, believing they are 10+'s, then when they get out in the real world,

I have seen it 1e6 times. People coming to one of our shows, telling us that granma thinks they're the best, then barely get a response from the crowd What happened to my 10+?

Get real people. Tell it like it is, but don't be rude! We are here to help each other, not pull one another down the drain.

Gunfire?? Well, I haven't read on yet, but I want to pat you on the back for some honesty. Hey, my momma always taught me not to lie. Now granted, that isn't the same as just being 'mean'. 'Honesty is the best policy' I always say, so BRAVO FOR YOU!!!

Don't worry knightshow, you'll NEVER get 'fluff' from me heheh I just haven't checked your subs yet! I'm taking notes as I type on who wants critiques. =D If you want to see some good examples of folks being honest, check my other thread 'Honest or Rude?'.

- you ROCK, Crystal
oh, & thanks for the support (oops... shouldn't have said that, they'll be throwing stones at ya now) *giggle*

Crystal, isn't it fascinating the way the fluffiest, dishonest people are the ones who suddenly turn nasty when they are 'honest'??

Sorry, am I the only one seeing the irony here?

how's that saying go
"Let the one who doesn't not error cast the first stone"

I ain't skeered! not one bit! Haven't seen a single person YET that don't error... BRING IT ON!

and NO! trust me!! ! !
you are NOT the only one who sees the irony in this!!
I'm beginning to reeeeeeally like you!!! !

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ROTFLMAO!!! oooh i gotta get me that 'smiley'

Wow, thank ya!! =D Woohoo... an ally!!! (not 'alley' mind ya) heheh
btw - feel free to HONESTLY comment on any of MY subs, any time.

I Like the idea of FREEDOM OF CHOICE...

You go Phill ...

To Critique ... some honest feedback

To Comment ... suggest change to "fluff" .. less confussion on meaning,

If you are intrested, check the singers archives "just for fun ??" July 27, 2004. There is some insite on the Critique suggestion, amoung others...

Cort
mcentertainment

It's good to hear from you Miss Milo...I just wanted to make sure when I said I hoped we were still "good". I realize that things I've said about the SS and things I've agreed with that Matt and Tigrr have said about SS, have bugged or irked people. I'm sorry, people; I swear I'm not a bxtch or troublemaker inherently. My friends think I'm one of the nicest, most giving people they know.

But dern it, MY experience, reiterate, MY experience with the SS has not always been good for me. I should have said before, though, that I appreciated the time and energy people spent listening and commenting on my subs. I just started getting a lil weary when I'd read the same nature of comments from all kindsa people - NOT just people who'd visited my subs - on most other subs. And what really started irking me was seeing subs I knew weren't as good as others, yes including mine - ranked high, high, high and getting tons of comments.

I've always been a stickler for fairness, but I guess it can't always happen in the real world. That's my issue to resolve. So it was better for me to just stop subbing - to just stop the stress I was going thru. As I've said before, I like individual attention and credit when I deserve it. And again, it's no one in particular doing it (shoulda said this in the past); it's just a general thing that happens in SS that I could not handle anymore, and just could not understand. And that is: subs that weren't that great, getting higher ranks and comments than subs that were.

And ya know, I've noticed that there are people here that aren't bugged by the "unfairness", as I've put it. I admire you guys. I wish I could feel that way, but I'm different; I can't. I'm talking about people that are fantastic singers getting lower ranks and less comments than people that aren't as good. Again, I ADMIRE you for being so secure. I guess I'm not. Sorry if us "3" bringing this same thing up over and over again is tiresome. Please just bear with us.....and know that there are some out there (ME) that wish they were as secure in themselves as you are.

OH and Miss Milo sorry I used this post to you to ramble. I needed to let that out.

Wow! This topic just exploded----

Anyhow, why not make people put their musical background/training/education in their bio before they can make a comment (if the background is none, then they should say so) and then any comments made by any individual can be evaluated for "worthiness" by the person critiqued. Just an idea, that way someone, for example, who sings classical would know just how critically they are being evaluated by someone with a classical background as opposed to someone who may have no clue about the genre.

Another $.02 worth from the Mad Scientist (aka DyingMoose)

heh heh Ramble on Tigger, they're good ramblings! huggs

Good to hear from you Dyingmoose,

1. Any singer hear asking for a Critique is asking something for nothing. If one is serious about improving their singing ability, seek out a vocal coach that you are comfortable with and DONOT LISTEN TO ANYONE ELSE!!!

2. Quality of the recording...most singers hear do not have the time or the money for a professional recording.. they do the best they can with what they have..

Cort
mcentertainment

ps I do not have any formal training in sound engineering or recording technics. Margie has a teaching credential and a minor in music.. Does that make any difference?

u make it sound as tho I'm "using" people here for their knowledge. From what I understand... these people are more than happy to tell me where I could use improvement... syberchick? Jazzy? am I wrong? Cuz if you don't WANT to critique me, by all means, don't. wouldn't want people to think I'm a freeloader.... good grief, Cort... these people have OFFERED their advice time and time again!

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Unfortunately Cort, not everyone can afford the luxury of a singing coach... nor the privacy either.

This site from it's inception was designed for singers to sub their works to their peers. AND receive feedback. Now, that message has been lost. SO Phill is trying to rework a few options to allow that to happen again.

Here's ta hoping

And Tigger, I for one would be very upset if you let the words of one person deter you away from subbing. That person is a mean-spirited soul that derives pleasure from dolling out pain. Ignore them. You just keep doing what you do to make you happy!

Matt

DITTO THAT.... Tigger... Matt said it so much better than I could... Cuz all I can come up with is "F### 'em!" ! Absolutely do what makes ya happy! sing till you're little heart's content!


I also agree with the Matt on the "get a vocal coach" thing... I thought that's what this site was FOR... to get feedback from fellow singers.... and of course... for those who just wanna sing.

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Crystal and Matt: 2 sweethearts!!!! Thanks you guys

Everyone else: whoever doesn't realize what a sweetheart, helper, and friend Matt is, I want you to know it right now!!!! I want to know that all of you realize he is more than what some might see as a "complainer who does nothing other than complain"....come on, don't underestimate this person!!! Who here, hears me and understands this??

*raises my hands*

I do!
just check out the Techie forum.... his posts pop up all over that thing offerin' advice

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