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mrmarog
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:23 am |
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leopard lizard wrote: I'm a disc host and discs area a pain in the butt. I spend a lot of time finding them and putting them back which I don't mind but I do mind when I have to have my back to the audience while I do it. I feel it is a bit isolating and sometimes I have to take my attention away from the singer. (Sometimes the venue set up just doesn't allow any other arrangement.) Not only am I not appreciating their song but sometimes I miss a signal that they want something changed. Also, no matter how efficient I am at pulling them or putting them back, it just takes one high maintenance question asker to cause a pile up. It is also extremely embarrassing when they skip or scramble which they are going to do eventually.
I keep singer's slips in envelopes that I give to them each time so they do have a sort of history--until it gets soaked in beer or they take it home and never bring it back. And no--it doesn't cause them to sing the same song every time. Many have extremely thick envelopes and growing. But I would like to have it on computer just for when they forget or for those who come every now and then and come up and say, "Remember me?" Also they will often tell me to pick songs for them.
Even though I am disc I have a computer at the show and it is invaluable. It plays the transition music. If it is the type of crowd that wants a full dance song then I can do that (usually just the Cupid Shuffle once a night). I have the master song list so if I get a slip with a wrong number I can look it up rather than have to go find a book. If I get people who can't grasp the concept that there is a "new additions" and "main" sections of the book then I can show them every song by a certain artist in one place rather than they have to look in two sections.
When I was at a small dive I had most of it in my head and could even instantly come up with new songs for people to try based on their voice and preferences. Unlike Chris, I actually like those kinds of places. But things are totally different 30 miles down the road. At that place I have a core of regulars with a lot of intermittent types. They also sing more current type songs and are constantly changing what they sing. I'm also not there every week as they like to mix it up with bands and DJs so I might only appear 2 -3 times a month. In that case it is impossible for me to remember it all. Singer history is a great way to refresh my memory as to who the less frequent ones are. There is no way I could keep it all in my head. AND, at the higher energy, younger crowd place, the books get soaked, the song slips get soaked. It is amazing what they can get in between the page protectors. It would be nice to have a back up history on the computer.
Truly--when a song ends I have to get in some quick clapping to get it started then I'm changing the disc with the left hand while fading in the bumper music with the right and talking in the mic at the same time. How could a computer not make that easier? I take it you only use 1 player? Two players would make you way more efficient and less hassled. I'm sure Joe does it that way and Lon too (when he was disc based).
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mrmarog
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:12 am |
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Even when I first started in about 2000 I only used cd's for a couple months and I had already collected a huge assortment of 1066 cd's. I quickly saw that handling discs was time consuming and I didn't use custom numbers for finding the discs..... so every time I purchased a new disc I had to reshuffle all the cd's in all the binders (I loved Zoom for obvious reasons). Then I purchased a CAVS JB99. Not a perfect solution but better than carrying around 4 big binders. The downfall was that it was a computer, of sorts, but "no history" capabilities.
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leopard lizard
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:16 am |
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Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:18 pm Posts: 2593 Been Liked: 294 times
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I have two players. But even switching back and forth requires pushing some buttons. And like Capt. Kirk said, it is weird but one brand player likes some brands of discs and the other is better with others. So I don't always go back and forth. I am not slow in between singers except if a song decides to take a long time to load. I was just saying it takes more work. I have to do manually what some computer programs will do for you, such as fading in bumper music, etc.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:47 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm Posts: 22978 Songs: 35 Images: 3 Location: Tacoma, WA Been Liked: 2126 times
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leopard lizard wrote: for those who come every now and then and come up and say, "Remember me?" Also they will often tell me to pick songs for them. This is really cool to be able to make a quick suggestion to someone that hasn't came in for a awhile. I have a guy that comes in one week every year while he's here for his job, comes from one of the Carolinas. But every year he gives me his name & is surprised when I make some suggestions (that I remembered his songs) from the previous years. I only turned on the song history in late 2009 - the first year I ran on computer, I didn't think it was necessary. Stupid thinking on my part Wouldn't want to run a show without it again.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:52 am |
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mrmarog wrote: I take it you only use 1 player? Two players would make you way more efficient and less hassled. I'm sure Joe does it that way and Lon too (when he was disc based). I had 4 players in my rig - two Pioneer laserdisc players (with cdg/vcd capability), and 2 cdg/vcd JVC single trays. I always had the next disc/song cued up and ready to go (had 4 cue monitors so I could see what was being cued up), there was never any down time in between singers waiting to load a disc up. Only thing that sometime got missed, was actually switching the video over on the 4 way video switch.
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chrisavis
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:24 pm |
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Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:38 pm Posts: 6086 Images: 1 Location: Redmond, WA Been Liked: 1665 times
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IMO the primary roadblock holding back most ODB hosts from becoming PC hosts is the amount of time needed to convert. Otherwise, there is no advantage to running from discs.
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leopard lizard
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:09 pm |
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There IS actually one advantage and that is I don't give much thought to being sued and I didn't have to pay extra to feel that way. There is a certain freedom to it, especially when you don't have to wonder about every new person who asks for a rare SC song.
For me not converting has to do with life events outside of karaoke that have necessitated all karaoke money other than taxes and filling requests goes to survival rather than improvements in the business. As long as I can still run a fun show as is, I keep putting off spending money that I don't actually have anyway.
So I'm not against computers and find many advantages to using one in the show even as a disc show. We used to control the lights with a computer and could even make one light spell out messages like "Happy Birthday whoever" on the floor. We used to project little ads for the venue or make up videos with singer's life stories (made up, of course) and run them for a joke. As a solo now I don't have time for all of that but being disc isn't because I don't know what a computer is. Singer history would be very useful to me. I just don't think show wise I suffer too much from running discs although I think it is more work.
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Bazza
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:54 am |
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leopard lizard wrote: There IS actually one advantage and that is I don't give much thought to being sued and I didn't have to pay extra to feel that way. There is a certain freedom to it, especially when you don't have to wonder about every new person who asks for a rare SC song. Meh. Red Herring. The only computer based people who are constantly looking over their shoulder for the boogie man are those running illegally.
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twansenne
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:20 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:03 pm Posts: 1921 Images: 1 Location: N. Central Iowa Been Liked: 53 times
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Lonman wrote: leopard lizard wrote: for those who come every now and then and come up and say, "Remember me?" Also they will often tell me to pick songs for them. This is really cool to be able to make a quick suggestion to someone that hasn't came in for a awhile. I have a guy that comes in one week every year while he's here for his job, comes from one of the Carolinas. But every year he gives me his name & is surprised when I make some suggestions (that I remembered his songs) from the previous years. I only turned on the song history in late 2009 - the first year I ran on computer, I didn't think it was necessary. Stupid thinking on my part Wouldn't want to run a show without it again. I could see a use for it in that situation, but how often does that happen? IMHO...If a regular comes in and ask for a suggestion, I am going to recomend something new, not one of the same 5 songs he/she has been singing for the last 5 years. Again....all things being equal, I would not pay any extra for hosting software that has singer history. BTW Lon....Is one of the songs the guy sings "Heads Carolina"?
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:38 pm |
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twansenne wrote: I could see a use for it in that situation, but how often does that happen? IMHO...If a regular comes in and ask for a suggestion, I am going to recomend something new, not one of the same 5 songs he/she has been singing for the last 5 years. Happens quite a lot actually. People that haven't been out for months to a year or more. But you can also recommend something new to a regular by looking at their history to see what kind of things they sing & recommend in the similar genre/style/artists/etc. But again even regulars will occasionaly just ask me to pick something from their list they haven't sang in a while (had 2 guys do just that last night, so I picked something they didn't do since they first started coming in and only sung once or twice per my their list) - 1 went back 3 years, the other only 10 months. Some have history all the way to 2009 when I started keeping track (these would be the several hundred songs under their list singers). Quote: Again....all things being equal, I would not pay any extra for hosting software that has singer history. It's nothing you'd have to pay more for, MOST of the pro softwares already have it available to use - it's just a feature that's included.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:04 am |
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twansenne wrote: I could see a use for it in that situation, but how often does that happen? quite often, almost nightly it seems twansenne wrote: IMHO...If a regular comes in and ask for a suggestion, I am going to recomend something new...
i agree, and i do the same if i can, looking at their songs and picking something similar. twansenne wrote: ...not one of the same 5 songs he/she has been singing for the last 5 years. how many of these do you have? twansenne wrote: Again....all things being equal, I would not pay any extra for hosting software that has singer history. what pro software doesn't have this feature?
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chrisavis
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:57 am |
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I actually would pay extra for it, but as noted, most of the more used software has the feature.
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