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Sadly, this is not accurate.

The first two parts are.

The last is not.

What answer did you give if someone asked you if you had a book? My guess is it was neither of the two I listed above.

Then if I had updated my books, I might have forgotten to put them in my vehicle, I might say something like ask me and I'll look it up on my computer and if I have it I'll put it in for you, if not I'll try and get it for you by next week.

Now I tell them to look it up in my kiosk and if it is not there you can ask me and if it is available I can have it instantly.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

With most people having laptops, dumbphones, etc, one can easily (as we do) have their books on line for access. We will always carry books but that doesn't mean others wouldn't.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

So Lone, exactly what evidence do you have to back up this statement? Do you know how many cases are involved? Do you know how many settlements have been made? Do you know how much money was spent on these suits? Do you actually know anything or are you just picking things out from the air? Do you have any firm numbers?

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You can be strange but not a stranger

You know and I know tim that Jim and SC are the only one's with that information. They are not going to make it public since it would expose exactly how much of a failure this whole legal process has been. If you get beaten on the battlefield the last thing you want to do, is let everyone including the enemy know, in what bad shape you really are. How does the other side determine exactly how much trouble you are in? By your actions or lack thereof.

What is military intelligence other than estimating the enemy losses and coming up with what the other side's next move is going to be. Remember the movie "Battle Of The Bulge", they estimated the fuel reserves of the German Army, the average consumption of a tiger tank, and knew the enemy was low of fuel. The Germans went after the fuel dump and they were kept out they ran out of gas.

If you take Jim's statements it is clear at least to me that SC is running low on cash. Even though Jim denies it, which he's supposed to do if he is representing the interests of his client SC. They can't let on how bad things really are, but if you take all of the data, it is not hard to come to the conclusion that this whole legal gamble is not working. SC has been ripped off for more the $300,000.00 by their former agents. They are looking at downloads, for what other reason than to boost their bottom line? They are sitting on years of unsold inventory. This is not the picture of a healthy company tim. In fact it is the picture of one that is on the verge of financial collapse. When it comes all of the SC supporters will be in shock and disbelief, just like when CB collapsed. Nobody saw it coming, oh that's right it's all the pirates fault.

Lone... you are simply speculating.

I have read the court papers and know that SC has been awarded several judgements that exceed $100,000.00.

Your assertion that all they receive is "retail value" is invalid. That happened in exactly 1 (one) case.

The rest of your suppositions are simply unsupported guesses. You do not have the facts.

It would also seem that when you do have a fact that controverts your delusional scenarios, you simply ignore it or attempt to trivialize and distract.

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Never the same show twice!

Sadly, one would agree if one were true after true pirates.

In that case it would be easy to see 100,000 tracks or 20 versions of a song in their online book. The times I went without books I had to tell people to ask me and there may be many times the answer was no or I will have to get it for you for next time.

Those awards came early in the legal process game, most of the high one's were out of court settlements that never went to trial. Since more of these suits have been contested the amount of the awards went down MtnKaraoke. That is why in California the average settlement was about $5,000.00 per settled case, those that did not settle simply walked away and didn't pay a dime. In the case of Panama City Florida the awards were for damages, the fair retail value of the product in question. Jim appealed the amount of those awards, and guess what the appeals court upheld them. Only an idiot would pay more for a settlement, now that some actual case law has been established, indicating what the true damages to SC really are. Why do you think SC is so anxious to have these cases settled out of court, they say to avoid court costs, the real reason is the few that have gone to full trial have turned out to be net losers for SC.

I have encountered many operators who had books of moderate size, but who were outright pirates (i.e., had no discs at all). I have encountered many others who were pirates to one degree or another.

In the case we tried in Panama City, the two karaoke clubs we sued (which had common ownership) had books of moderate size. They had lots of discs, but they had only one copy of many discs even though their various systems were identical, and they had no discs at all for some of the tracks they had. That makes them pirates, and if you have a problem with us rooting them out, then too bad.

LR, evidence please. Also there is a huge difference between intelligence and speculation and so far all you give is speculation.

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Excuse me tim I didn't now this was a courtroom and evidence was required. What is intelligence gathering but taking tiny bits of information and speculating what the enemy might or might not do? I don't think it is so much speculation as taking information a drawing a conclusion from it. You might not agree with the conclusion, only time will tell if it is right or wrong. If nothing else I still have time.

And you're still proving yourself to be an....

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You can be strange but not a stranger

I have drawn several conclusions about you from your posts. Some of those conclusions I can't post without a perma-ban.

But these I can.....

bitter
boring
narrow minded
malignant
acerbic
pitiful

I could fire up a thesaurus to be more colorful, but I believe my point has been made. Plus, I thought I put you back on ignore but apparently didn't. Now you are.

Spew Away.....

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-Chris

The fact that you and your client feels that it is OK to include loyal paying customers in your hunt just because they somehow fit into this wide circle net you like to throw doesn't just sit bad with me, it sits bad with almost everyone. It seems that every anti piracy cheerleader here seems to have zero problems spotting the pirates and they seem to be so well manifested that they are everywhere. Why you and your client can't focus on those guys and risk missing a few in the name of being loyal to your loyal customers is really what's too bad.
The manager at my boat dock leaves an ice freezer open at night with a note that says to put your money through the key hole in the door. He says that most put their money in; some do not. But the service they provide for those of us who need ice when they are not open out weighs the loss.
It also seems to me you would be spending your clients money more wisely going after can't miss cases versus wasting money on sifting through the heavy weeds.

More and more kj's seem to be moving away from books - both legit & pirates so having no book doesn't mean definite pirate anymore. A few kj's here have stated they no longer carry books and they are legit. Kiosks & phone app books only.
Only reason I still carry books is because that is what I'd like to see at other shows, so I offer that option for others. I still use phone app books but have given up on the kiosk idea. But even though these are available, most people still just ask me if I have or what do I have by.... But that is a different rant.

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Point made and point received. Really, I am talking about the response to the question. The guy that says he has everything? Come on.. The guy that says he doesn't have books but ask and I will see what I have and I can see if I can get it? The guy isn't using the loaded drive and the pirate sites. That's a pretty good line to draw it seems to me. I knew right away that the new people at my place had a loaded drive. It really isn't as hard to tell as Mr. Harrington likes to make it out to be.

I have said "I have everything" to people on occasion when they ask - most times in joking but it's only when they don't even attempt to look at a book first, then tell them in all seriousness if I don't have it I can usually get it so it's like having everything. If it's nothing I cannot download through KV, Select, SBI, All Star on the fly- then I either put it on a custom disc order or will look for the original disc and let them know it may take longer to find. I will also tell them if a song isn't available at all by a couple of website searches. I only have shy 15K songs btw but people do tend to tell me I have more stuff they want to sing than most places that tout 100K or more.

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Lon,
Don't take this personally but to me that's kind of the catch phrase I think they should be looking for. I know the place I am at has a loaded drive because they DO have just about everything. So I would not fault SC for including you in a suit if they came in and based their inquiry of you on the comment that you had everything. I am not saying it's the wrong thing to say. All I am saying is they threw a narrower net and things showed you deserved to be looked at a little more closely. I am not saying that everyone that seems like a sure thing is. Just up the odds dramatically by throwing a smaller net.

Again, for the record, I have no problem with SC trying to recoup from the pirates. I do have a problem with it being ok they squeeze loyal customers just because they fit a vague profile.