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She should stick to dancing......

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Gave this a listen about an hour ago. I was not impressed.

I take these kind of posts with a grain of salt. I'm no Britney fan/apologist but you never know the background story, if it has been altered, if the music was added later, if their monitors weren't on or working properly, or if the poster has an axe to grind. Especially the isolated live tracks that get released from time to time.

The producer has gone on record that the vocal was simply a warmup track, not a pre-autotune take. Rare is the artist (now or 50 years ago) that walks in and knocks it out of the park in one take, with no warmup.

No artist, who makes mega-millions in the industry, should have THAT bad of a track for a first run... I don't care if it's 6 am and you have a hangover. His excuse was "it was just a warmup", but the fact is that it hadn't been auto-tuned. It shouldn't "have" to be auto-tuned to that degree.

I've always admired her (well, the "packaged up" her), but it is what it is... a sign of the times. With all the technology these days, singers don't really have to have any great talent to make it big. If a producer wants you there, you get there.

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Meh. There are no "facts" here. It's easy to assume that everything she does is crazy auto-tuned and she's this talentless bimbo, but youtube video of her when she was 9 years old at local talent shows proves she CAN carry a tune. Hey, she's no vocal phenom like Aretha Franklin or Whitney Houston, but I don't think anyone expected her to be.

My point is we don't know the circumstances of this recording. Ever heard someone with headphones on singing along to a iPod? Nails on chalkboard. They could be a very good singer but when you cant hear yourself, all bets are off. Who says it was a "first run" at all? Maybe she was just sitting in the room, headphones on, listening to the track by itself (no monitor in the headphones), drinking some coffee, and just singing along in the room practicing the words, not even knowing that tape was rolling? Even exceptional singers would sound off in that situation. There are a couple vids on youtube of some very famous stars screwing up royally in concert when there monitors went out and they couldn't hear themselves. It happens.

My skeptic radar goes off on "Aha! See!" posts like these.

I am with Charmin. Any professional singer should be able to to get CLOSE to the song after 3 minutes of singing.

If you go back and listen to Britney's hits, every single track is heavily layered with ultratight "harmonies" and "fuzz" around her voice. She has been heavily autotuned since her very first hit.

But she looks great!

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Not if you can't hear yourself. Try it! Put some headphones on, listen to your "go to" karaoke song (music only), sing along and record your voice.



I don't know that I hear auto-tune, but processed heavily for sure.



No doubt.

Was this Auto-Tune? She was 10. Not stellar, but not some off-key talentless hack either.

Again, I could care less about Britney Spears, she is more a performer than a singer anyway. I'm just very skeptical of these "secret smear from anonymous person" recordings.

Bazza- Have you ever recorded in a studio? Why would they have her with headphones on where she could not hear her own vocal? It doesn't work that way. Slim chance that she was just sitting there with music blaring in her ears and unable to hear herself. They wouldn't hit "record" on a session like that either. Upon singing the first line, if it were accidental, she would have said "hey, my vocal isn't coming through the headphones"... she wouldn't have continued singing the whole song.

She can probably pull off some songs. Many times over the years at karaoke you'll hear a singer who can nail one or two songs- but they can't sing anything else at all. Sing a song long enough with the original artist and you'll get it right.

I'm not knocking her, or jumping on a bandwagon, in my first post I stated how I have always admired her. She's a nice, well, "package", for pop music. I feel bad for all the trouble she went through when her kids were small, and admire how she came back around despite all the negative press. She'll ignore this "bad recording leak" and keep on keeping on also.

However, a spade is a spade. It is a horrible off key recording and obviously needs quite a bit of auto tune to be made listenable. It angers you at the whole industry, just the same way model photos are touched up in Photoshop before they hit a magazine cover. Hardly anything is "real" any more, yet the sell it as real.

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I couldn't get the video to play for me.
But did Youtube search & there was a small clip comparison from the unaltered to the finished product & it sounded like it was the same track with enhancements.

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Many times. This is the main reason I don't take the recording as "proof" of anything.



I don't know. Neither do you. We weren't there. That's my point.



Have you ever thought of selling your psychic abilities? The fact that you know exactly what went on in that session in uncanny!

Have YOU ever been in studio? Sometimes you just screw around to get in the mood! Again my POINT is that we don't know ANY of the circumstances. You immediately assume its a real take, she has zero talent, and this is the actual recording used on the record before/after auto-tune. It very well could be the opposite.



I understand and agree that most pop is heavily produced. I also don't take everything I read/hear on the internet as 100% truthful.

Besides. It's Britney f'in Spears. Does ANYONE really expect her music NOT to be heavily architected?

Screwing around or not, your even average singer would not sound that off in any sort of practice session. Especially not someone who has made billions from a singing career. Anyone can hit sour notes here and there- but that is not sour, the entire recording is downright toxic. (pun intended)

I think I'm getting it though.... what you hear on that video sounds "norm" to you for a studio first take? The fact that you think it's ok says a lot about you. My bad, I didn't mean to step on feelings with my own opinion. Personally, if that is what my vocal came out like- even on a first take/screwing around to get in the mood/goofing off session- I'd lay my mic aside and find a new weekend hobby.

Have I ever been in a studio? Umm, err, maybe a time or two? Lmao.

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Oh Yes. You are quite witty.



Wow. Doesn't sound like it's MY feelings being hurt here at all. Passive aggressive much? (PS: Might want to wash out that sand.)

And again. WHO exactly said anything about a "first take"?! Or any take for that matter? Your psychic abilities working overtime again? You have zero clue as to the origins of that recording, what it is or where it came from. You have however made several large assumptions about it and they have clouded your judgement. You instantly take the bait from some unknown "mystery studio leaker" and swallow it without question as I am sure was their intent. I do not. I require actual information of such things on the internet before I shout "I Believe!".



Yes. Britney Spears is just a hack. Zero talent. No ability. A 100% manufactured artist based entirely on a questionable audio tape released by an unknown mysterious person. She sang better as a ten year old than today.

OH! And by the way. The moon landing is fake and 9/11 was a controlled demolition. I saw some very in-depth videos about it on the internet.



Sure you have. It seems to me that, if you had spent any time at all in a booth or behind a board, you would comprehend what I am saying instead of trying to defend your weak position. You would also notice the extremely poor quality of the recording in general, and the obvious de-tune artifacts within it, especially around 2:00-2:10 when you can hear obvious digital "warbles". Whats that doing there? Hmmm?

We all know she's produced and tuned. Ever sang with auto-tune? And if so, ever tried it when set to the wrong key? How do you know that isn't what we are hearing? A pitch altered, off-key auto-tune? You assume this is some un-altered, clean "first take". I am not naive enough to make such assumptions. I don't believe everything I hear or read.

Bazaa - You are one of my favorite people on these forums.....

But I am with Charmin on this one.

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Bazza- You strike me as someone who likes to argue just for the sake of arguing, no matter the topic or what the other person's stance is. (Yes, that is definitely my psychic abilities kicking in again.)

If it was a second take, third take, fourth take... even worse in her case.

No talent? Nope, I said she obviously needs auto-tune.

This was posted by you early on:


So, her producer did not deny it was her natural vocal track or say that it was an internet hoax, just that it was simply a warm up track. WTH am I "assuming" here? Perhaps I'm just going by her producer's statements.

Again, my opinion, a warm up track even at 2 am when you first roll out of bed should not be THAT bad.

I've stated my opinion repeatedly and really am getting bored of you insisting I change it when that isn't going to happen. The track sucks, and that is that. Yes, I've been behind a board, yes, I've been in a studio- really, who hasn't these days? But do I feel the need to defend my talent or lack of it to some random guy on an internet board who likes to mouth off? No, not in the least; your jabs & personal opinion of me basically don't matter to me at all.

Now be a good boy and go find someone else to argue with; this topic is boring me. Good lord, this site never changes.

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The problem with these you tube type videos is there is no way we even know it is her or not. Quite frankly studio music is quite different from concert music due to acoustics, fx, inside or outside, etc. Even in karaoke the difference between sounding good is does the host use fx and if they do, do they know how to use it?

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I remember working in a studio with a friend trying to collaborate on a song and with not knowing where I was going I botched the entire take. We would write as we went along and tweak it later.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

I only argue when there is hard evidence, or in this case, a complete lack thereof. I don't believe everything I see, read, or am told.

To boil this down:

• I say there are dozens of explanations and we just don't know the truth of what happened.
  
• You say there is only ONE explanation, and you know exactly what it is. Just a talentless hack. Sang better at 10 years old than today. 100% manufactured. No other possible explanation in the universe. Move along.

That is the difference between you and I.



Translation: "I have no other points, other than my own unmovable belief. I will now leave with my toys in a huff."

Fare the well Charmin. It's been fun!

Jump to 2:50.

This PROVES that Eddie Van Halen is a crappy guitar player. He cant even play his guitar in tune!

Without his studio tricks he's just a talentless hack! PROOF!

What other explanation could there be?