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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:08 am 
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Wouldn't there be a conflict with Sting Ray if SC entered downloads? I was under the impression that Sting Ray was interested in the download streaming market to individuals and granted SC with discs in the commercial arena.


8) If that is the case MrBoo hasn't SC sort of painted itself into a corner? Discs are the technology of the past and download streaming is the wave of the future.


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The Lone Ranger wrote:
It seems to me on some days you spend more than 15 minutes on this forum alone not to mention the others you frequent. Also if you are so keen on your responsibilities to your client, why did Kurt feel it necessary to hire APS to represent SC as well as your office? Your services weren't enough, you couldn't get results like APS promised, but never really delivered? Also if you are so on top of everything Jim, how did a non lawyer like Bob in the Panama City case end up beating you at your own game? You weren't paying attention because you had it focused in other areas? That is why this legal process has been so drawn out with such poor results. Little money was available to put towards it in the first place, and only part time workers were hired to do the job. Try doing that in the construction business, and you will have a project that drags on for years, just like this legal process has with a less than 2% success rate.


Classic Straw Man attack. Bravo.

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8) That is the whole point isn't it Chris, you had to go back to working in the Tech industry for your old boss. Once I retired from my day job I never went back to my old job. If things are so peachy financially why go back? When is enough, enough?
Expansion costs money doesn't it, not to mention as you said the problems involved with maintaining quality, not to mention if you have employees, you also have to spend some time involved in manpower management. I can turn down work because I have enough and I don't need anymore. Your still at it and good luck to you. Oh I will still read what you write, even thought I don't agree with some of it.


Now you are really grasping for straws.

All I am going to say about my CHOICE to do the day job is this.

I have a passion around technology and education. I believe that educating young people on technology is key to their success in the future and to solving some of the problems the world is facing for future generations. I am working on and influencing a global education program by one of the most successful technology companies in history. Knowing that I can impact something like that is very satisfying to me.

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8) Bazza what is another word for a straw man, a scarecrow. What is SC but a scarecrow trying to keep crows out of a field? Once the crows get wise to the fact it is not a real man they are dealing with, they go back to eating the corn. SC has worked hard trying to create the illusion that this legal process of theirs is working. Over the years it has resolved less than 2% of the piracy problems, in fact there are more pirates today than when they started. As a scarecrow they are a huge failure.


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Now you are really grasping for straws.

All I am going to say about my CHOICE to do the day job is this.

I have a passion around technology and education. I believe that educating young people on technology is key to their success in the future and to solving some of the problems the world is facing for future generations. I am working on and influencing a global education program by one of the most successful technology companies in history. Knowing that I can impact something like that is very satisfying to me.



8) I thought you weren't going to respond to me Chris, I guess it's true what they say "Never say never". I don't have to grasp anything anymore Chris. I have all I need financially. You seem kinda of torn between your day job and running your business. I thought you quit the day job to focus on the business. Now you are back at the day job, so that means you don't need to focus as much on your business? I guess you don't want to burn your bridges. I never quit my day job until I retired and then focused on my business. Then again that is just me, just like I never was interested in running a multiple show operation. If you get so much satisfaction out of educating others, you ought to look into going back to school to become and educator.


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Wouldn't there be a conflict with Sting Ray if SC entered downloads? I was under the impression that Sting Ray was interested in the download streaming market to individuals and granted SC with discs in the commercial arena.


If it were SC's intention to use materials in which Stingray now owns the copyright, it would of course need a license to use that material. That's not an insurmountable obstacle. New recordings would carry no such restriction. There is no "non-compete" arrangement.


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For the record, I was asking about download pricing not because of an impending plan for downloads, or because SC is desperate for revenue, but because there is some disagreement--academic at this point--about how much SC could charge for downloads. The value proposition at $1.49 per song is very different from the value proposition at $2.99 or $3.99 per song.


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8) It seems to me on some days you spend more than 15 minutes on this forum alone not to mention the others you frequent.


For anyone who is familiar with the concept of "average," it is not difficult to understand what I meant. I can understand why you wouldn't, though.

I don't "frequent" any karaoke forums but this one. There is one other forum I check about once a week.


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For the record, I was asking about download pricing not because of an impending plan for downloads, or because SC is desperate for revenue, but because there is some disagreement--academic at this point--about how much SC could charge for downloads. The value proposition at $1.49 per song is very different from the value proposition at $2.99 or $3.99 per song.


8) Really Jim? If I have something I'm thinking about selling, I always check to see what it might be worth. I wouldn't wait too long about making up your mind since everyday SC's material becomes more dated. Not to mention it already has been so widely distributed.


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Now you are really grasping for straws.

All I am going to say about my CHOICE to do the day job is this.

I have a passion around technology and education. I believe that educating young people on technology is key to their success in the future and to solving some of the problems the world is facing for future generations. I am working on and influencing a global education program by one of the most successful technology companies in history. Knowing that I can impact something like that is very satisfying to me.



8) I thought you weren't going to respond to me Chris, I guess it's true what they say "Never say never". I don't have to grasp anything anymore Chris. I have all I need financially. You seem kinda of torn between your day job and running your business. I thought you quit the day job to focus on the business. Now you are back at the day job, so that means you don't need to focus as much on your business? I guess you don't want to burn your bridges. I never quit my day job until I retired and then focused on my business. Then again that is just me, just like I never was interested in running a multiple show operation. If you get so much satisfaction out of educating others, you ought to look into going back to school to become and educator.


hehehe Seriously. I actually laughed out loud. Trying to belittle me for doing something I enjoy doing and have a passion for. That applies to both karaoke and technology.

Why does Warren Buffet continue to work? Bill Gates? Carlos Slim? They are passionate about what they do and want to accomplish more than personal financial success. Along they way they are also positively impacting the world on a global scale. They do that because they want to, not because they have to. I don't know that I will ever have the same level of impact and respect as them but that doesn't mean I can't aspire to do so.

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8) Who's trying to belittle you Chris? If what you really want to be is a teacher by all means be one.


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8) It seems to me on some days you spend more than 15 minutes on this forum alone not to mention the others you frequent.


For anyone who is familiar with the concept of "average," it is not difficult to understand what I meant. I can understand why you wouldn't, though.

I don't "frequent" any karaoke forums but this one. There is one other forum I check about once a week.


8) So that means Jim some days you have more time on your hands than others? It would seem with 95% of the hosts being illegal out here you would be filing suits 24/7 at least until all of the GEM series has been licensed. After all suits drive sales, right? Oh that's right investigations, filing and court fees cost money. You can only go as fast as your means allow.


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If it were SC's intention to use materials in which Stingray now owns the copyright, it would of course need a license to use that material. That's not an insurmountable obstacle. New recordings would carry no such restriction. There is no "non-compete" arrangement.


Thanks. I understand that SC and StingRay have a great working relationship so I assumed this would not be a huge obstacle.

I have a follow up question. I know SC deals strictly with KJs these days. Would it be safe to assume that SC would continue to only deal with KJs if they entered the download arena?


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So that means Jim some days you have more time on your hands than others? It would seem with 95% of the hosts being illegal out here you would be filing suits 24/7 at least until all of the GEM series has been licensed. After all suits drive sales, right? Oh that's right investigations, filing and court fees cost money. You can only go as fast as your means allow.


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8) Who's trying to belittle you Chris? If what you really want to be is a teacher by all means be one.


I really do want to take the high road with you. I know it doesn't seem like it sometimes, but I don't have much patience or tolerance for intentional stupidity and ignorance.

If, at your presumed venerable age, you have not realized that you can educate with out being a teacher, then you should go back to school yourself.

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8) Who's trying to belittle you Chris? If what you really want to be is a teacher by all means be one.


I really do want to take the high road with you. I know it doesn't seem like it sometimes, but I don't have much patience or tolerance for intentional stupidity and ignorance.

If, at your presumed venerable age, you have not realized that you can educate with out being a teacher, then you should go back to school yourself.


8) I would go back to school Chris if there was still something I wanted to study, or to get another degree. What's wrong with being a teacher Chris? We all having something we could share with others.


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So that means Jim some days you have more time on your hands than others? It would seem with 95% of the hosts being illegal out here you would be filing suits 24/7 at least until all of the GEM series has been licensed. After all suits drive sales, right? Oh that's right investigations, filing and court fees cost money. You can only go as fast as your means allow.


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8) What ax Bazza, no one yet has given me a reason why SC feels out of all the manus, they have to resort to this legal process sham of theirs? It seems to me if you have time to do others things and you haven't finished your main job, you need to spend more time getting it done. If it's just a side show then I guess a less than a 2% solution is ok. Looks like that unsold SC inventory will be sitting awhile.


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8) I would go back to school Chris if there was still something I wanted to study, or to get another degree.


I recommend you take some sort of Toastmasters type debate course. Seriously.

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What's wrong with being a teacher Chris? We all having something we could share with others.


Nothing wrong with being a teacher at all. Much respect for them. My step-mother is a retired teacher. My mother-in-law is a teacher and works with special needs kids. Just saying that you can teach without being a degreed, professional teacher.

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chrisavis wrote:

I recommend you take some sort of Toastmasters type debate course. Seriously.


Nothing wrong with being a teacher at all. Much respect for them. My step-mother is a retired teacher. My mother-in-law is a teacher and works with special needs kids. Just saying that you can teach without being a degreed, professional teacher.



8) One thing about a debate Chris is if you bring up a point and it is not answered by the other side they lose, as far as the judges are concerned. Oh by the way my daughter is an English teacher so I am familiar with what a teacher goes through. In other countries the teacher is the highest paid civil servant, since they are developing the next generation of citizens.


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