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I'll make the answer in the form a lawyer can understand. If I say nothing legally it means that it can be implied I agree with your methods of recovery. Since I don't I state my opinion, of which I'm entitled to Jim just like you are. You remember the play "A Man For All Seasons", the hero's silence protected him since according to law, the implication was he had no problem with the King's remarriage.

I have watched Jim's statements which is why the "at present time" portion of what you say above is important. Jim has also stated that SC wants to go into production, has plans to go back into production, and I believe two years is ample time to figure that out. So they would in fact still be in business.



I don't think Kurt or Jim have ever claimed that pursuing legal recourse was a gold mine. So there you go making things up again. Regardless, Mr. Harrington's income has no bearing on this discussion and is just a distraction from your "ONLY WAY" babble.



Again, making things up. I haven't suggested sales were anything. But again, it is possible to sell discs and downloads (SunFly and others). Selling one does not prevent them from selling the other.



Since you want me to read what Mr. Harrington is saying, I will encourage you go back and read ALL of the reasons why they have pursued the legal process. You of course cherry pick only what you can use to support your tirade against Sound Choice.




Then why is is it took me chiding you to get you to explain yourself instead of just making blanket "the only way" statements? Not that I agree with anything you say because it is all still speculation. I still think you are a one trick pony because your only goal is to sully the name of Sound Choice. That is the only contribution you make to these forums.

Which by the way is why I give you such a hard time. You are supposed to be an experienced karaoke host with a plethora of information and advice to give yet you spend your time focused on the singular goal of destroying the reputation of Sound Choice. I find it terribly sad that is all you have to offer after all this time.

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It wasn't you chiding that got me to explain myself Chris. I think I have been consistent from the start about my position and why I feel the way I do. I don't have to sully SC's name they did that themselves, by their actions. It is the advice my father gave to me "don't pay attention to what people say, pay attention to what they do". It is by our actions others judge us, not by our speech. As far as experience goes I was a KJ/DJ a lot longer than you have been. Maybe I'm old school, but even now people keep calling me weekly to come back to work. You don't read all my posts on this forum I have posted in other areas, unlike Insane KJ. That is one person that shows really no interest in anything but this section of the forum.

I stand by my above statement.

There are a lot of law firms who wish the revenue from ONE client would cover their overhead.

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That's great for the lawyer tim that sleeps on his office couch. It is nice once in awhile to actually get paid some money I would think. I hope that Jim has more than one client. If not that explains why he doesn't drop SC he needs to keep the office open to attract other clients.

Here is what I actually said:



As timberlea suggests, I am in fact delighted that my firm's overhead expenses are covered by the work done for a single client. That means that work done for other clients is 100% profit, and it gives me enormous discretion in the kinds of work I can take on.

Moreover, although I spend a great deal of time practicing law, that is not my only business interest or moneymaking activity.

I am also not encumbered by a need to get rich to be happy. That is, although I work hard and like making money, I am happy with what I have.

But none of that--and least of all, the way I earn my living--matters to anything related to SC at all. The point I was trying to make to toqer is this: I do not view the work I do as a cash cow. I am not "looking to make a buck." The point and goal of that work is to keep my client in business and thriving if possible. Whatever financial reward I get out of it is ancillary at most.

It's quite plain you are only a part-time lawyer the amount of time you spend on this forum, and the number of times you legally get your head handed to you.

If I understand things correctly, the reason why SC has not gotten back into production is because they have not come to favorable terms with the rights holders over licensing and money. They way I understand it is that if SC decided money was no object, they could go into production very quickly. So it isn't a matter of figuring it out so much as coming to terms with how much it will cost to do so. That is the roadblock.



I truly have better things to do with my time than to read legal briefs looking for ways to bash company policies. So I admit that I am not familiar with the case. But I don't see how that supports your using the legal system as the only way to sell inventory tirade (especially when there is obvious proof that you are incorrect).




I held firm on not working in the tech industry again. Yet here I am working not only for the tech industry, but for the very company I left in the first place. Things change and people change their minds.

Why license the entire GEm set instead of buying downloads? For the same reason many of us on these forums still buy discs in bulk while at the same time buying individual tracks.

New KJ's are more likely to want to start out with some sort of a base library. In fact, My bet is that every KJ on this forum started out with at least a few hundred if not a few thousand songs from buying a SGB or Music Maestro or Chartbuster Essentials or SC Foundation set. Then they built up from there.

Established single-rig KJ's need only to supplement their existing libraries. Many of us here are doing just that with downloads (while still keeping eyes open for great disc deals).

Multi-rig operators still need an efficient means of establishing a core library quickly when they expand. Thus the GEM.

There is also the issue of Sound Choice owning the rights to very few tracks (Stingray owns the bulk of the original Sound Choice catalog) so it isn't even an option for Sound Choice to put those older tracks into the Cloud or create a download service. Those options would only apply to new content they produce.




Money that they ARE entitled to. I know you don't believe that but try leaving your wallet on the counter with a $1000 in it. If someone steals your wallet, don't you feel entitled to get that money back if you know who the perpetrator is?

Of course there is money at stake. Or course they are recouping losses. We all know this and Kurt and James have said as much. I believe Kurt is holding on because he spent 30 years building a company that most of us recognize as one of the best in the industry. I am sure he is as proud of what he has accomplished as I am of what I have with my own karaoke company. He wants to be successful and continue to build on what he has done. You just refuse to see Kurt and the rest of the folks associated with Sound Choice as people. To you, they are just an evil empire, that should be destroyed.




You may have been doing it a lot longer than me, but I seem to be doing pretty darn well. Karaoke pays every single bill I have with money left over to enjoy myself and to put into savings. I am also providing primary and supplementary income to 8 folks that works for me. I am happy with that and so are they.

I am turning away gigs regularly as well. I am too busy to expand and maintain quality.

I used to read every post in every section of the forums including yours. Then I set you to ignore. I don't think I missed anything at all. So back to ignore you go.

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Spending time on this forum--about 15 minutes a day at most, broken up across the day--is part of my responsibility to my client.

I have already put in 40 hours at the day job with a day and a half left. I left the day job at 7pm on Monday, picked up my wife, drove down town to pick up gear, eat dinner, then home by 10pm. We watched a TV show, chatted, in bed around 11:30. Back to work at 8am on Tuesday. Worked until 5:30, drove straight to the venue and trained a new host until midnight. Packed up gear, drove home, rolled in around 1:30am. Back to the day job at 8am. Worked until 6. had a decent night at home with the wife, but still took a tech support call and a 1/2 dozen song requests. Today, back to work at 8am, be here until about 7pm. Driving straight to a venue to check in on things, but not staying to long. Should be home by 10 or 11 at the latest. Friday I will be back at work by 8, working until 7, then driving straight to a venue to run a show. Be home around 3am Saturday morning. I will be on the road at 10am Saturday morning to do payroll and part of collections from bars. I am usually home by 3pm. Then I have my show Saturday night. Sunday, out the door around 12noon to do my remaining collections. Usually home by 2-3pm. Heading over to some friends to BBQ if nice, or cook inside if not. I don't think I have ever gotten home from their house before 1am and have often just spent the night.

But it's easy to post a lot here because I only work part time.....

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Working for yourself is great. You only have to work half a day, and the big question is, which 12 hours will it be?

I work 1/2 days too..

Stupid question............Is there any truth to Lone's speculation about SC going the download route?? Is there a possibility??

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It's under review, and has been for a long time, but there are some obstacles that have to be overcome.

I hope it works out.

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With Derick (sp?) at Stingray even I hold out the possibility. I can only hope that while considering, SC ponders doing so in .WAV form....

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Why would it be speculation smooth? Jim raised the question about pricing downloads, if it were not being considered then why ask the question? I have always held the opinion that downloads would hurt attempts by SC to sell their complete product as a set, if the host could just get what they need as they need it. It would also complicate their legal process since there would be no discs for them to audit. Naturally anyone buying downloads from SC would have to have some written proof in case they were ever investigated. If what I expect unfolds and downloads become a reality, the next step would be to eventually join Cloud as well. Why would this be necessary? The answer is quite simple SC needs cash flow to stay in business. Capital is the life blood of a company, without it they die.

This lack of capital is tied directly to the failure of the current legal process to generate enough recovery cash. Even with Jim working at cost, the filing fees and dismissed cases, not to mention the outright theft by APS of money owed SC, has created a large financial hole that must be filled. There is still the EMI case looming. This idea that SC is going back into production sometime soon is just window dressing, it isn't going to happen. If it were going to happen it would have happened already.

The final step will be when SC finally throws in the towel, and dumps what's left of it's product on the market, for whatever it can get for it. Unless they do return to production they are finished as a company once their product runs out. Unless they are going to just be on Cloud and sell downloads. The one question I would have would the host downloading own the download, or would they only be licensing it from SC for a set time? If they own the download and only have to pay for what they need it would make more sense to buy the downloads rather than license GEM, wouldn't it?

That is the whole point isn't it Chris, you had to go back to working in the Tech industry for your old boss. Once I retired from my day job I never went back to my old job. If things are so peachy financially why go back? When is enough, enough?
Expansion costs money doesn't it, not to mention as you said the problems involved with maintaining quality, not to mention if you have employees, you also have to spend some time involved in manpower management. I can turn down work because I have enough and I don't need anymore. Your still at it and good luck to you. Oh I will still read what you write, even thought I don't agree with some of it.

Wouldn't there be a conflict with Sting Ray if SC entered downloads? I was under the impression that Sting Ray was interested in the download streaming market to individuals and granted SC with discs in the commercial arena.

It seems to me on some days you spend more than 15 minutes on this forum alone not to mention the others you frequent. Also if you are so keen on your responsibilities to your client, why did Kurt feel it necessary to hire APS to represent SC as well as your office? Your services weren't enough, you couldn't get results like APS promised, but never really delivered? Also if you are so on top of everything Jim, how did a non lawyer like Bob in the Panama City case end up beating you at your own game? You weren't paying attention because you had it focused in other areas? That is why this legal process has been so drawn out with such poor results. Little money was available to put towards it in the first place, and only part time workers were hired to do the job. Try doing that in the construction business, and you will have a project that drags on for years, just like this legal process has with a less than 2% success rate.