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Lone, you really do not understand business do you. You think because a company has stock on hand that for some reason it is not sellable or wanted and therefore the company is desperate or something. Quite untrue. Many companies have a lot of stock on hand (have you ever seen an empty car lot?). This stock is not degradable, won't go rotten, etc. Not everybody buys at the same time. So I don't know why you keep going on that SC has a bunch of GEMs for?

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Is this a real question?

Digitrax doesn't stream SC tracks. The defendant in the case in question was streaming SC tracks.

Lon, I never said that such a Luddite wouldn't be HAPPIER if PC hosts couldn't split discs, I only stated that at this time that doesn't seem to be the case. It's not an SC related statement, but one related to PC use. I would think a Techno host would rather I was correct.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

This debate is one of the primary reasons why I love being able to buy individual downloads.

If someone wants "Call Me Baby" at bar #1, I buy it, download it, make it available at bar #1. I won't buy it again until Bar #2 asks for it. I don't need to buy a disc with 14 other tracks on it that won't ever get asked for at Bar #1 nor do I have to buy that same disc with the same 14 tracks on it for Bar #2 when "Call Me Maybe" gets requested.

But I also have 6 copies of SC8125 because those songs gets requested regularly at 6 different bars we do AND because I personally feel they are the best versions of those tracks AND the investment in tracking down those discs has paid off many time over just in the past few years.

Sure, I would like to make more efficient use of my library, but I am not going to campaign for it or (@$%&#!) about it. The discs can be found cheaply enough for my needs and downloads make it easy for me to get only what I need for the customers are a particular venue.

I married my wife knowing she had most of what I ever wanted in a woman and some things I wish I didn't have to deal with. I can spend the rest of my life complaining about those other things or I can focus on what attracted me to her and the cool things I discovered over time.

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You are the one having a problem understanding business tim. If you go to a car lot shopping for a car, how do you get the best deal? You find out which vehicle has been sitting on the lot the longest. Usually the dealer will be willing to discount that particular car because every month it sits on the lot costs the dealer money. It automatically drops in value if it is not sold by the end of its production year. That is why you have end of the year sales. How many dealers would still be in business if they had years of unsold inventory on their lot? The dealer had to pay the maker of the car when they purchased it, until that car is sold there is no profit. The same applies to this unsold inventory on the GEM series lot. While there is a huge market for cars, the market is smaller for SC karaoke product. I hope this explains things to you tim.

P.S. Oh by the way tim it was Jim who stated that SC has years of product left in inventory. It stands to reason their main concern right now is to move this inventory, as soon as possible. "suits drive sales".

You are assuming it will devalue with time like a car. They are core packages. They do not deteriorate like a car. But then again no matter what anyone says that is good for SC, you will try to twist it into a negative. So where are you getting your figures where only those being sued are buying GEMs or the majority of buyers are those being sued? Have you seen the books are are you just guessing.

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nowwaitadamnminute......

Isn't it you that goes on and on about how a golden oldies show to baby boomers is the way to go? Aren't those boomers singing music that is.....old? Doesn't the GEM set contain much of that EXACT music? Aren't you a complete, utter fool?

And oh....by the way..... We should start a letter writing campaign to The estate of Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, The Eagles, AC/DC, The Bee Gees, Fleetwood Mac to let them know that their old stuff is worthless according to you and under no circumstances should they try to sell anymore of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ing_albums

You are a one trick pony. You capture a statement "years of unsold inventory" and then you repeat it over and over and over in every post you make regardless if the debate is about that or not.

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I find it amusing tim that you are the one that brings up the car comparison with SC's karaoke product, and when I show the problems with this comparison, you shoot down your own comparison. Talk about twisting into the negative, really. Who needs figures tim? It stands to reason the only current buyers for the GEM series are the new hosts and multi-rigg operators that want to use the SC product. Evidently there are not enough of these buyers to reduce SC's several year unsold inventory. The only way they are going to move this product is to let the legal process encourage buyers to purchase, to avoid legal problems with SC. Which by the way can be avoided completely by not using the SC product.

This pony has more than one trick, the reason I repeat a statement is because there happens to be a lot of meaning wrapped up in that one admission.

You know what, you are an idiot and unfortunately you can't change stupid. It is frigging stock to be sold over the years to NEW and repeat customers. It ain't a friggin banana that's going to go bad in a few days.

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Timberlea, this is probably one of the most worthless posts I have ever seen. Not because I disagree or agree, but because a post such as this deafens anyone who reads it to your point. Insults and negative personalizations pretty much shut down the reader before ever gaining your point.

If you have something to say ( agree or disagree) how about just saying it? No insults, drive-bys, or personal crap. Just make your point if you can. If you can't do so without the other crap, maybe you should re-consider your point of view....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Let's try this one more time tim. I'm not saying the SC product is perishable fruit, it is a durable item. It is a product, however, with a very small select market. The home market it gone since SC has elected not to go after the home user abuser, where most of the loses have occurred. That leaves the commercial karaoke hosts which are targets, due to the fact they are publicly visible. Most of these hosts already have the SC product either legally obtained or illegally obtained. There are a few new hosts starting out and others that want to expand their operations, who will buy the product.

No one knows how many unsold GEM series SC is sitting on. According to Jim it is several years worth, now I don't know how he comes up with that estimate. It could be based on current sales which must be slow or why the expense and hassle of the legal process? I do remember when SC was still making product, they said they produced 10,000 units and only a few hundred were ever sold, yet everyone had the new product. This forced them out of production end of the business.

Using this example SC could have as many as over 9,000 unsold GEM series units. Depending on production costs that is millions of dollars of sitting inventory. Until the inventory is sold it is a negative on the books. That is why they are licensing the product and not selling it outright. It looks like they will not be able to produce new product and the product they have is it. At least for now. That is why suits drives sales, until they are able to recoup the money spent on GEM series the company is dead in the water, as far as making new product is concerned. If and when SC decides to throw in the towel, they will probably be like all the other now defunct manus, and dump whatever product they still have on the market. Before that happens I expect them to join Cloud and allow downloads. Jim has already floated the trial balloon about maybe there being SC downloads finally. If that happens and hosts can pick and choose it will make it even more difficult to sell GEM as a complete package, SC material will be offered cafeteria style, pick what you want.

When did Jim ever say that?? He has always said they can get the license for downloads, which I find questionable, since other America Karaoke companies can sell their music that way. I WISH they would offer downloads. I don't want to buy 6000 songs, most of which will never get used. I like buying what I need when I need it.

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He posed the question in the form of a poll smooth on the Karaoke USA forum, a couple of months ago . Look under Download Pricing May 28,2014, he was looking at how much to charge for downloads. What is the use of asking the question unless you are thinking about selling downloads?

It is not the only way. No matter how many times you say it, it will not become true.

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Since we are interpreting statements.....allow me to interpret yours....

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It is true as far as the current rate of sales cannot reduce the unsold inventory in a significant way without the legal process. The legal process is the primary marketing vehicle now for SC, Chris.

It is not true. It is speculation.

Considering there are a number of KJ's OUTSIDE OF THE US and are outside of the U.S. which have purchased GEM sets, I would say that alone causes your feeble argument to implode.

But of course there is more evidence to prove you are just guessing....

They may have 24 sets left and sell one set a month. That would sell them out in 2 years.
They may have 240 sets left and sell 10 sets a month. That would sell them out in 2 years.
They may have 2400 sets left and sell 100 sets a month. That would sell them out in 2 years.
They may have 24000 sets left and sell 1000 sets a month. That would sell them out in 2 years.

Which one of those scenarios substantiates your claim that ONLY the legal process will move those sets?

Let me point you to some REAL information to help you.....

http://www.soundchoicestore.com/certified-hosts.html

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They may Chris who's speculating now?

If they have sold most of their unsold inventory Chris then they are in deep. They cannot at the present time resume production and once they run out of product they are out of business. Except for the renewal of old GEM series licenses. You really need to look at some of the statements Jim has made, and think about what they mean.

1. Jim stated that he is only making his office operating costs representing SC, this is a lawyer who posted his normal fee is 400.00 per hour. Yet he is working pro bono for SC, there is something wrong with that picture. The legal process is not the gold mine it was thought to be, if the recovery process cannot even cover the true costs of SC being represented.

2. Jim inquired into the pricing of downloads for SC. That indicates to mean SC is at least exploring the possibility of downloads, something they have not done in the past. Even the loyal followers of SC have admitted that allowing downloads and joining Cloud would cheapen the SC brand. It would not even be considered if the sales of GEM series were as brisk as you seem to think they are.

3.Jim has admitted that SC is sitting on several years of unsold inventory. I'm sure that they would never file suits if they didn't have any product to pressure hosts into buying. It would make no sense to sue without a remedy to the situation. The only reason SC is suing is to unload the unsold inventory, what other motive could they have? They are not making money just from the suits themselves, they are coupling the legal process with sales directly and indirectly.

When you consider these statements as a whole Chris, if doesn't paint a very pretty picture. SC has unsold inventory they need to unload or they can't as they say resume production of new material. Jim is working for Kurt at cost. SC is looking at other sources of revenues, downloads, and possibly in the future joining Cloud. It is my opinion the last step will be the last step of all former manus, dumping whatever product on the market and getting what ever they can for it. Then again that is the way I see it. At least I'm giving you the reasons why I think this scenario is true. See Chris more than a one trick pony, but then SC has more than one trick itself.

The real question is, why does a retired KJ who claims never to have used SC tracks, care so much about what may or may not happen to SC?