Karaoke Forums

that is not someone prefering a version, these will ONLY sing if it is that version. if it's not, they wont sing. that is a diva.
prefering a brand is not make you a diva, refusing to sing anything but that brand does. you are open to other versions, a diva would look at you and refuse to sing any other version but that one. Like your elvis guy, have a good version by DK, forget it, MM only or no show from him. that's the difference.

_________________
Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

What are you saying here? Are you saying that if someone comes to your show and specifically requests to sing from a SC track, that they are a Diva (and I also get the distinct impression that your reference to a Diva was meant in a derogatory way)?






I'd print some of the definitions you are probably referring to from the Urban Dictionary, but it is a blocked site at my job. This is all I can give you from that....

I 'm no diva, but someone who take awhile to learn a particular song and apply what singing ability I have to it. This means that I, like many folks, learned to zing a particular version, with it's timing, accompaniment, and included lyrics - and not another version.

I'll even give an SC example : Kind Of A Drag. That's the one I know. No other version.

This is why, if I go to a show if the versions are not included in the book AND the host can't ( or won't) play my disc, I won't be singing. I simply have no idea what will be coming out of the speakers.

The SGB version of KOAD is almost unrecognizable.
The other end is the host that only has SC Elvis. Not singable for anyone who knows Elvis - and I do..

The point is, not singing other versions of a song does not neccesarily make someone a diva - just the opposite: We are people who are not secure enough in our abilities to sing blind, especially with a KJ that we don't know and who doesn't know us.

_________________
"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I'll give you another example:
Meatloaf's "Two out of Three Ain't Bad"
SC version sounds perfect to me, but the Music Maestro version was reproduced in a higher key. I can sing Meatloaf on key, and when I have had to sing this particular song from MM, I have to tell the KJ to take it down 2 on the Key-Changer. That at least makes it singable, but still a bit off. Now why should I be classified as a Diva just because I want to sing that particular song off of SC instead of MM?

Another example:
Styx's "Come Sail Away"
SC vs MM - Play the opening 10 seconds of both and you will notice one HELLUVA difference. I liken the MM version to that of Quint scratching his nails down that Blackboard at the Town County Hall meeting in "Jaws."

I went to a friend's show about 1 year ago. He is PC based. He could not play my discs, and did not know how to use my Flash drive. I asked to sing Mister Cellophane from either Pocket Songs or Stage Stars (they sound identical to me). He put in a Sunfly version. At first I was OK, but then the spoken parts were all different, and I was thrown complete off mid song. I couldn't do it, so I waited for the musical part to resume, and finished off the song. Would I do that again... NO!!! If I know a song from a specific version, I will stick with that, or sing something else. Now, if I were trying a song for the very first time, I am willing to try any version blind, but I would at least like to know what version it is first, and if you have multiple versions, to be able to choose which version I am going to try.


I don't know about the "not secure enough" part of that statement, but I do agree with you here. I just believe that if you are comfortable with a particular version of a song, and the KJ has the means to accommodate you (when you ask), how does that make you a Diva?

Exactly! many people know what they know, it doesn't mean they are a diva but want to sing a version they are familiar with. Nothing wrong with that and doesn't deserve the label of 'diva' just because they won't sing from another version.

The first time I saw Born On The Bayou - CCR - it was a Music Maestro, I sang it - the music was unsingable to. I saw it on SC & gave it one more shot and it was nearly verbatim to the original song. Which is why I quit chancing off brands, my philosophy is if I don't see a SC version (and I know this was not the point you were making), I may pass on singing it simply because I don't have a clue how other versions will sound. SC doesn't get it right all the time but 9 out of 10 times I can count on it sounding pretty damn close to the original version.

_________________
LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!

i am there to sing and have fun, not to show the bar how awesome i am.
it doesn't matter to me what version they have, i just like to sing.

_________________
Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

And singing from a version one is comfortable with has NOTHING to do with how awesome a singer might sound. I know of many Singers who are Tone Deaf to Average singers, and they are also particular on what brands they sing from. If a person is comfortable singing from a specific version or even just from a specific brand, then by removing that choice from them, you are taking away from their having fun. As it's been pointed out, some people just can't sing (blindly) to any brand.

There are certain songs that I will sing occasionally, which I am brand specific to.
"Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh" - on MM. I have never heard it on any other brand, and I prefer to continue singing it from that version. Somehow, I don't think singing that song is going to show the Bar how AWESOME I am... although I will get them to laugh.
"Mississippi Squirrel Revival" - Also on MM. Same thing that I said about "Hello Muddah..."
"Does Your Chewing Gum Lose its Flavor" - Again, on MM. Pretty much the same things I just said for the above 2, except for I have tried the SC version once, and the song was complete different after the 1st stanza.

Country Music - I prefer to sing from Top Hits and Pop Hits Monthly, but I can deal with CB. One version I will never touch is Star Disc. I personally think they are really bad.

I go to sing to have fun as well, but singing to a track that is unsingable is not fun!

_________________
LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!

Sometimes you post the silliest stuff.....

I have no emotional investment in SC, or any other forum poster for that matter. Also, at this point SC's continuation as a corporate entity is moot. They no longer matter.

I have absolutely no clue what you mean by "insider" I just post common sense and common knowledge. I have not only never claimed to be an SC "insider " - whatever that means - but the thought of it brings on the urge to take a shower..
You made that up out of whole cloth. A nice way of saying that you lied.
Feel free to link to my "assertions of being an SC insider " or be professional enough to apologize.

I DO agree that the Stingray agreement is only relevant to past production.

I also don't doubt SC's INTENTION to produce again, I just believe they will find a way to screw it up- again. Implementation has been shown not to be an SC strength...

Maybe Jim hates ME.....

Btw, I have actually stepped DOWN my posts on SC - they have been making my points for me....

However, as long as Jim keeps posting in a personalized manner - in hopes of distraction - I am happy to reply. If he starts posting like the professional he claims to be, and simply states a point with valid reasoning- sans insulting or degrading comments, I would feel no compulsion to debate.

_________________
"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

so If you came to my show and I only had the SC or CB version, you would just sit and not sing as opposed to singing a different version?

_________________
Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

I would probably choose not to sing THAT PARTICULAR SONG at your show, and go on from there. That doesn't mean I wouldn't sing at all at your show. There are certain songs where I am accustomed to the specific timing and the way the graphics/word-swipes were done, that I would not want to try it blindly on another version in public (as stated in a previous post, I have had some bad experiences with that).

One of the reasons that MM is so popular with oldies singers : No, as we all agree, it wasn't production values. However, they were, in most cases, musically arranged to be the closest to the original that people sang along with on the radio. Tempo, key, lyrics, etc...

Like Stellar, generic to low production values, but the most familiar. So, a go to brand for that genre. Same ( with much better production values) in regard to CB for country, PS for show tunes and certain single artist discs, and SC, Zoom, or DK ( pick your fave) for pop.

Also, home singers may well pick a cheap set with more titles with which to practice. These folks may think SGB is the way to go, whether or not we hosts agree.

Not a diva attitude, just familiarity.

_________________
"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I bought the Zoom version of Two Out of Three, and it is better than SC could have ever dreamed of doing it, just like Zoom's version of Heaven Can Wait.

_________________
I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

I doubt we will ever meet on this, not for any reason other than we have different ideas of what karaoke is. if it's not my version that I know, I don't care. I'm there to sing for the hell of it and don't care if I know the timing of a particular version, throw me in for what version you have (as long as it's not idol makers )

_________________
Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

And I made (what I feel is) the closest/most accurate version for "Paradise By the Dashboard Light." I merged DK's Narration part into the ZOOM version (which cut that part out). I feel that Zoom gave the most cues for where the Female parts are supposed to be (as other versions just gave it mostly to the Male). I also like the fact that ZOOM got the double word-swipes correct for both the Male and Female at the end of the song.

So, are you saying that if all the KJ has is IDOL MAKERS, that you won't sing??????????

I have the gem series of parafise with the dashboard lights which like dk gives the baseball monologue as background vocals and it's the full song includes all the parts in the colors of who is singing.

_________________
The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Danny, unless SC made a new version of "PBTDBL" on their GEM version vs their CDG version, I don't think it gives all the Female parts credit where the Female is supposed to sing along with the Male (as in M in BLUE, F in PINK, M/F in GREEN for both together).

aka Sweet Georgia Brown

_________________
LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!

I'm like you. I can sing most versions of any song I really know well. I am able to adjust on the fly, and when I know the words, I don't need the screen. I just sang the SC version of Bed of Roses. It is a TERRIBLE version compared to the Sunfly version. But I got through it, like I always do.

_________________
I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE