Karaoke Forums

First off, you quoted from me, not Joe (I have changed it in this post)...



I wasn't CONFUSED in the least. I saw a SC track being played, and I believed the track came from a SC disc... The SC track is STILL a SC track,whether it be played off of original media or not. That hasn't changed. NO CONFUSION THERE!!!

There's a difference between buying a FAKE ROLEX, and playing a SC Track from either a burned disc or from a HD. The Fake Rolex is NOT going to suddenly become REAL just because I bought it; however, the SC track will STILL REMAIN a SC track no matter what it is played from. The ONLY DIFFERENCE there might be, is that the SC track played off of a burned CD or from a HD might be considered a FAKE until the KJ gets an Audit from SC. Other than that, the track has NOT CHANGED in any other way shape or form. Is there any such procedure that you can do that with your FAKE ROLEX watch?

Again Cue it is an UNAUTHORIZED copy and that is all that matters.

_________________
You can be strange but not a stranger

Just as long as they stay out of my Bathroom. I draw the line there!

A copy is still a copy, even if it is a 100% perfect copy. How good the copy is is irrelevant to the argument.

Assume the fake Rolex was identical in every way, so much so that Rolex themselves couldn't tell the difference. Go crazy and say it was made in a Star Trek replicator, identical down to the atom! It still doesnt matter. It's still an illegal copy.

Tim, there were others that came on this forum and started to announce the guilt of several KJs as soon as they saw the lawsuits pop up. I don't need to name names, but I'll give you "Wall of Sound" (back in 2011) and InsaneKJ (back in 2010) for a start.

I imagine that an enterprising individual could use the exact same materials to the exact same standards and build an exact, quality duplicate of a Rolex watch. In every sense it would be exactly the same except it was not authorized by Rolex.

In fact, I can buy all the factory parts for an iPhone through eBay and assemble an iPhone myself. But if were to sell those phones, I am pretty sure Steve Jobs himself would slap me down from the grave.

_________________
-Chris

UNAUTHORIZED does NOT make it FAKE. Whereas, IN YOUR (rather poor comparison (or some might even say analogy)), a FAKE ROLEX will ALWAYS REMAIN a FAKE ROLEX.

You just hit the nail on the head. if you thing that Trademark and copyright law are jacked up now, just wait 10 years until every 12 year old has a industrial quality 3D printer in their bedroom!

_________________
-Chris

Cue, did SC make that copy or authorized it? If not, then it is a fake.

_________________
You can be strange but not a stranger

If I go to a show with SC, how do I know if I am supporting a pirate show or a show that paid for their product? Maybe some of you don't care but let's just say that I prefer not to give money to criminals and that is just my personal thing. If someone is playing from a computer how do I know that I am supporting a show that is in turn helping to keep a product I prefer on the market? They are displaying the SC logo but did SC make the product and get reimbursed or is it from a torrent or copied HD?

Unless there is some sort of certification displayed I don't know if I am giving my money to an honest host or a host who did pay for their discs but just didn't get permission to shift or to a just plain crook. A host copying and displaying the logo with the tracks causes that confusion. So even if it is a perfect or even enhanced better than the original version of SC's product, I don't know what type of show I am supporting yet this host may be profiting from my confusion by luring me in with pirated SC songs.

The way you're saying it, if SC didn't make it, (in other words, someone else made a copy of it), then they're all FAKES (whether SC authorized the KJ's FAKES (before or after the fact) or not).

There is some sort of certification by SC; however, not every KJ has participated in it (for one reason or another). So even with that being said, the rest of your argument holds some weight, although, how many Singers do you think are out there, who really care to look into whether a KJ is legit or not. That percentage has to be very very small, as compared to all the other Singers who want to go out and just have some fun.

Cue, under the law if a disc is copied or made by someone else other than SC or SC's authorization, then under the law it is considered a fake. Now if SC okays it after the fact, then it becomes legitimate. It has nothing to do with the quality of the track, it has everything to do with permission.

And for the person talking about a damaged disc, SC has a replacement policy.

_________________
You can be strange but not a stranger

I never spoke of the quality of the track. All I did was make reference to the Manufacturer name on the track.

As I have stated in a previous post... this conversion is just going round and round in circles (all the way back to 5 years ago). Tim, I don't think I have anything more to add to my argument or to my defense of it to you.

BTW... with regard to that replacement policy of SC's, it is specific to the fact that the disc must NOT be a discontinued disc.

a replacement policy isn't worth squat if all your product is currently out of print.


-James

Yes, you are correct.

I guess I was trying to point out that the "quality" of the mp3 has not been nor is it now any part of Sound Choices complaint. It has always been about unauthorized media shifting, no matter to what format.

In hindsight it was probably a stupid question to post and one that should not have been posted.

_________________
Music speaks to the heart in ways words cannot express.

After reading all of that I confused. Am I doing something illegal by driving my Ford that I took all the emblems off of and replaced with Chevrolet emblems simply because I didn't want my friends to know I'm driving a Ford? If I sell such vehicle as is it it illegal because someone thought they bought a Chevy instead of a Ford? Does this mean that if I buy cheap brand soda and put it in Coke 3 liter bottles and serve it I'm in trouble?, (notice I didn't say sell it). Who remembers the taste contests to see if someone could tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi? Most couldn't tell the difference and didn't really care. Same goes with SC if you removed the logo most singers would never know or care if it was SC or not as long as they got their 3 minutes (longer or shorter) of personal fame in front of their drunken friends and a bar full of drunks.

BTW I no longer have a horse in this race and will be selling of all my "ORIGINAL DISC" soon.

_________________
I like everyone when I first meet them. If you don't like me that's not my problem it's YOURS!
A stranger is a friend you haven't met yet

I think it does have to go to the question of quality of the finished product. Doesn't the taint attach to SC if the product bearing their TM is inferior in quality? Isn't that what SC is suing over keeping the image of the TM intact? If it is a question of permission it becomes a matter of "Mother May I".

True, if it is not in stock or production it can't be replaced, but the same thing goes for just about everything that is made. Manufacturers change styles and old stock runs out but most will offer some sort of replacement.

Lone the taint is copying without PERMISSION, whether the article looks like a cheap knock off or so good even experts have trouble differentiating the real from the fake.

If you replace Coke with another cola product and someone drinks it and gets sick from it, you could very well be liable by both parties (the sick person and Coke). The person because they got sick and Coke because you held forth the cola in the bottle was Coke. And before you go on and say you didn't sell it, it doesn't matter. It is no different than holding out icing sugar as cocaine or heroin and giving it to an undercover cop. In both cases the receiver believes they are getting "The Real Thing" (apologies to Coke).

_________________
You can be strange but not a stranger

Aren't most places sold out of almost everything (new) Sound Choice? With that I think it would be safe to say that Sound Choice does not have stock on much of anything. So that makes their replacement policy pretty much useless and not worth talking about as a viable option.