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I have a 65 Impala that I can get 2-3x's what I paid for it.

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Using this argument, NONE of the karaoke companies have faith in their products because NONE of the karaoke manufacturers buy back their product at any price.....

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-Chris

"Chrysler does have confidence in its product or it would not buy back the car."

They must have confidence in all the other car manufacturers as their used lots buy and sell vehicles from those other companies.

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Actually other karaoke manufacturers that are still active in the business don't lack faith in their product, they just haven't gone to the lengths SC has in trying to protect their label chris. Currently SC and maybe CB/PR are the only manus using this legal process method of protecting their interests and trying to generate sales through the use of suits. It would seem to me if they are that interested, they would also be interested in who ends up with their license, and what they paid for it compared to the original price. Maybe you are partially right chris SC does lack faith in it's own product and that is why they have gone the legal process route in the first place. It seem other manus are able survive without it.

That is right tim the car has a real practical value to most people, it provides transportation, like the horse before it. That is why a car has some value as long as it is running. In places where there is good mass transportation a car is not as valuable. Thanks to SC's policy of selling only to a select target market the demand for their product is small and they have to resort to suits to drive their sales. Anyone who licenses the GEM series would have to make back at least what they paid for it, before they could ever consider selling it without taking a loss of as much as 80% of it's original cost. This whole business model of SC's needs to be rethought. As it stands right now according to Jim he is only making back his overhead as far as the suits are concerned. I just wonder how many GEM series have been sold in total since their introduction? Not enough or the legal process would not be necessary in the first place.

This topis is so idiotic I don't know where to start.

First, new car dealers don't have "buy back" programs. They take trade in's. Try getting them to "buy back" your car without getting another car at the same time. Never going to happen outside of some extremely rare used car inventory shortage.

Second, SC did take a trade in when I got my GEM set. I only had to ask.



This is where your attempt to pigeonhole SC goes off the rails. This is no different than ANY karaoke purchase. They all sell to a niche, and any purchase is going to go down in value eventually. The difference is the GEM songs are 1/3 the price of buying obsolete CD+G's from the beginning.



Speculation on top of guesswork. I could guess that you got out of the karaoke business due to bad business decisions and a lack of personality, resulting in bars not hiring you and your core audience going to your competitors. But just like you, I would be guessing and making things up.

Hey Lon, would you give the three tracks in question? Over the decades I have found a few - LEGAL- places to look that are a bit off the beaten path.... Wouldn't hurt to try...

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You really don't know much about the car business do you Bazza, and you really don't bother to read my posts do you? When I sold my cruiser back to the original dealer it was not a trade. I drove the car to the dealer we agreed upon a price and I was paid for the car, many dealerships buy cars from owners to sell back used. Of course you could make more money selling it private party but then you have all the hassle. Not to mention sellers of cars in California at least have to make sure all of the paperwork is filled out correct and completely. Some private party owners have been slapped with towing and storage charges and parking tickets for cars they thought they had been signed off on. I think I did say Bazza that the SC material does have a shelf life just like a car and the older and more used it is, the less you can expect to get for it. You license a new set of GEM for 5,000, never use it and you are lucky if you can recover 1/2 the original cost. SC won't buy back the product because they know resale of the product is doubtful. The only reason it is speculation on top of guesswork is SC will not release it's sales numbers. The reason being like Cloud subscriptions they don't want others to know how dreadful the numbers really are. If they were going through the roof you can bet Jim would be on here touting the sales figures. We know that 90 to 95% of the material out here is illegal. Of the 5 to 10% that was paid for it has already been paid for, that only leaves the illegal hosts that can be pressured by a suit as a customer base. Even you can see that in the long run this whole suit drives sales approach is doomed to failure.

Hello again everyone. I think it will be of interest to see what the OP actually gets for that GEM on ebay. Thank you to JoeC for suggesting she PM me however I have already purchased a GEM. I was able to give the OP suggestion for posting on ebay and I think all the nay sayers will be surprised at what the set does sell for if those suggestions are followed

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I find it interesting that none of the professional KJs on here are interested at buying the license for the GEM set at a substantial discount. Is the value no longer that compelling?

I picked up both of my GEM sets during the holidays at $3000 ea. So I am looking for a better deal than even that I also have more music than I am using right now. I am just filling holes with downloads these days.

Besides...deal or not, $3000 is a lot of money for anyone to plunk down on anything.

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And BTW with car buy backs, the manufacturer isn't buying them back, the dealership is.

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Time Passages - Al Stewart
Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford Townsend Band (Priddis & Legends Version did not satisfy requestor)
Sequel - Harry Chapin

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I don't need it otherwise I would.

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Ok, Lon, I'll see what I can do. The first sources that come to mind are a couple of retired KJs that also used to own brick and mortar karaaoke stores and a distributorship.
Then a few others.

Heck, I could actually use Sequel myself. Good challenge...

PS: stuff you probably already know, but quickies.

Time Passages is on Karaoke XXL Vol. 90, whoever they are.
It's also available on National Singing Contest NSC00997

Smoke From A Distant Fire I have on Lost Classics, which is the same as Priddis, and great. Don't understand your singer's choice, but we aim to please. The search is on . It's also available on National Singing Contest NSC0991.
Did the singer spec SC, or was it just dissatisfaction with those two brands. If the latter, any reason (key, timing, sweeps, etc...) given?

Sequel on Karaoke Channel

Figured I'd throw them out there.....

I will keep looking for DISCS ONLY. I leave the download stuff to you, Lon.

As for the SC8668 disc:

3 sites show as offering it, but it's a bit confusing because the sites show old copyright dates, yet seem still active.

http://www.starrkaraoke.com

http://www.karaokeshop.co.uk ( you can still by single discs from the UK no matter what anyone tells you)

http://www.latestaudiovideo.com

Again, no guarantees, but couldn't hurt to check.

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...Wow, all of them on SC8668!

That would be one of the reasons why I want this particular disc - and the fact that I don't have any of the other songs make it more worth it to me.
The 3 requests have been from different singers (Time Passages by several regulars over a few years, last time was a couple months ago) and Sequel was requested by a good regular around Jan & again Feb, the Distant Fire song was a friend of a regular a couple weeks ago, but only would sing from SC, didn't like the Legends or Priddis version - the 3 songs weren't requested by 1 person in a night.

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Tim we are not talking about Al's used car lot. The dealership that bears the Chrysler title has to have a more professional image of doing business, since they are under contract with the manufacturer. What they do directly reflects on the company and don't want to risk losing their dealership franchise. While it is true the dealership is buying back the car they are the local representatives for Chrysler in their particular community. SC has no local reps since they sell mainly on line now, the mom and pop mortar stores are gone, and only a few agents are left like ACE karaoke, which themselves have stopped carrying SC product. That means you have to buy directly from the manufacturer currently if you want to license GEM. It is up to SC to protect their product and their image. $5,000 might be the going rate but as Chris pointed out he licensed his GEM for 3,000.00 nearly a 40% discount. There seems to be a lot of play in the pricing of the product. Even a lower price would be expected for a transfer I would think.