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In my experience, both as a courtroom lawyer and a juror, jurors try very hard to listen to the evidence provided and to get to the right result. Obviously not every juror is highly intelligent, but even jurors who are below-average in intelligence have a sense of fairness that helps them make a decision. They also get very detailed instructions that cover what the law is in laymen's terms.

I guess this explains why there are so many innocent people in jails today, and many of them are being released after things like DNA testing, wittinesses coming forward long after and change their stories, corrupt law enforcement, lawyers, judges, etc.

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So LW of all the convictions throughout the US, how many are wrongful, 0.01%, 10%, 50%, please tel us as you seem to know all the answers. I'll make it easy, There about 2.3 million people incarcerated in the US. Of those, since about 1989, about 2,000 or so have been wrongfully convicted. So that make the percentage of about 0.08-0.09%.

http://theweek.com/article/index/228292 ... he-numbers

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I was speaking about juries in civil cases. I've never tried a criminal case.

Yes the U.S. is number one when it comes to the number of its citizens that are in jail. Presently one in four people incarcerated in the world are in a U.S. prison. When it comes to education we are number 27 when compared to other countries. Most of the people in our prisons are there for non-violent drug related charges. Those offenders should be in drug treatment and not prison, but then corporations run those prisons and make huge profits off them. They in turn donate to elected officials to keep the current situation in place, so they can continue to make money. I don't doubt that eventually with ever more sophisticated weapons and the need for less boots on the ground the large military contractors will take over more of the citizens national defense responsibilities, of course at a profit.

LR, just gotta love your "logic". LW states there are many people wrongfully convicted in the US and I just showed it wasn't so. Now you are trying to say in your way that somehow the owners of private prisons are somehow controlling the number of people filling their prisons as if they are either bribing or coercing judges and juries. And I suppose man never walked on the moon either.

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No tim what I'm saying is corporations that have long term contracts with the government, give money to both parties to keep the present system in place. They have geared all of their business models on the existing way of doing business. Any changes in the laws could adversely effect their bottom line. They have over the years influenced lawmakers to engineer the laws for maximum benefit for their profits. Which is not always designed to help society as a whole. They take a bad situation and figure a way to make money off of it. Much like the arms dealer who sells weapons to both sides during a war. They have no core values or beliefs like most lawmakers. One does what they need to insure they make money, the other does what they need to retain power.

I want to see what the result is in the EMI case. Or what is currently taking place.

I want to know why all the SC discs have really been recalled and why there is a rumor that they have been ordered to be destroyed.

I want to know why SC web site is dismantled.

I don't want a Lawyer for the defendant telling us any of these answers (lies), I want the truth!

We already know that "Timber eh, MrMarog, ChrisAvis and some others" are Far-right.

I would prefer to hear reasonable discussions from the Center.

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They have not been recalled. Already posted links to where there are being sold - including the AceKaraoke Site - You just want to ignore that.



If the site were dismantled, you would see nothing. The site is under construction.



The lawyer you speak of is about the most transparent source of information we have about Sound Choice. Whether you want to believe that or not is up to you.



Hahahah I don't believe mrmarog is far right at all. I am not as far right as you want to believe. Timberlea is Canadian so he doesn't count.



If you want reasonable discussions, propose a reasonable topic. You are assuming things, creating rumors and categorizing people without much real information at all.

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"Timberlea is Canadian so he doesn't count."

My mommy thinks I count.

Easy, you can't get the result of a case until it is concluded. Logic should tell you that. What EVIDENCE do you have that SC discs have all been recalled. The SC site has NOT been dismantled. While cases are in front of a court, any lawyer worth their salt is going to tell their clients not to make statements outside the courtroom. As for you accusing Jim of lying, please offer some EVIDENCE of this. As for right wing, yes I am more right than left, but more importantly I rely on evidence not rumour or innuendo as you appear to do.

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Chris is very correct about my not being "far right" in my view of SC practices. I have a very large SC collection and use them regularly in my shows. I do not think anyone is doing anything wrong by playing what they OWN, and any way that they want to play it, in a 1:1 relationship. That is me in a nutshell.

Thanks Chris

Man you would argue about the color BLACK but then again it is not a color it is the absence of color.

No I don't know how many there are but as the article points out that a man in TX may have been put to death wrongfully. That is1to many, and we don't know how many that were that go unreported.

Also the article says since 1989 what about all those years before then? You say .08-.09% well I don't know about Canuck land but here that .08% will get you put in jail if it happens to be your blood to alcohol content. So that makes .08% incarcerated .08% to many. Also of those 2.3 million in jail many of them are there for stupid things like having an ounce of "GRASS", or some other drug that the good ole US of A thinks just because you have it makes you a dealer. I know guys in jail for not paying child support!!! Come on now is that really something that someone needs to be put in jail for? It's getting so that you can't cross the street without someone reporting you. The laws of this land are getting out of hand. Here's a good one getting a parking ticket for parking ON YOUR OWN FRONT LAWN. Don't pay the ticket guess what "YOU GO TO JAIL", how how stupid is that.

Oh by the way somewhere I'm sure having a mustache unequally trimmed is a crime.

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Well I suppose one could go all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition for those wrongfully convicted and or executed but we are talking about here and now. Capital Punishment is another debate. BTW a .08% error in just about anything is considered perfection. Mistakes and injustice does happen but not as grossly as you believe.

If you want absolute perfection, you're not going to get it in this world.

I'll agree that if someone chooses to go jail rather than pay a fine, they are stupid.

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And how many Buds can you count to?


Maybe, but did you know that in the State of Florida, having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal?

What's a Bud?

I heard that Florida law is a bit prickly to prosecute.

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I am sorry mrmarog I mistook you for cueball about being far right. I also didn't include Harrington as Far Right but that is obvious.

There is no such thing as a transparent lawyer for the defendant, who's bottom line depends upon how much they can steal from karaoke host's without proof, dragging them through the legal system. I have read a lot about them and I prefer to ignore what Lawyers say unless it's my Lawyer.

I don't care if SC sues Pirates but please don't pick up a newspaper and sue every KJ listed to find out who has enough money to pay your Blackmail. Or who is willing to submit to an unjustified audit. Just last night I found that there is a disc listed in my book that I don't have, never had it but it's in my book, it's an error. You gonna sue me too?

I have heard about SC stealing books from venues? Is that legal, is it justified for evidence gathering? That's if they even bother to gather any evidence at all before smearing someones name.

I don't hate SC, I love my SC content, I also paid a pretty penny for what I have, but Karma is a (@$%&#!). If you do so much wrong in your quest to Extort money from you customers, your come-upin's are due and I applaud who puts a stop to this insanity.

If you have the time to go to venues and collect evidence you have the time to ask if you can visually see the KJ's discs, not for hunting expedition but to see if they have plenty of discs. Then stop being a dick and go on to the next show.

If I owned SC I would let people use loaded hard drives for a fee like PHM does, SC hasn't made a song in 5 years so you don't have to worry about new content being stolen. $5000 per KJ and there's 30,000 of us is 150 million dollars. I'll sign up for that! I'd love to have every SC song. Gem series is missing too many songs to be worth buying plus all the big brother crap that comes along with it.

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So all lawyers are crooks except for yours. How naive. And you heard they did something but no evidence to back it up. That is called hearsay which is nothing more than rumour. You remind me of people who read conspiracy theories and believe them even though there's no evidence. And BTW, being right wing doesn't mean being evil.

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I hope my lawyer isn't lying to me because he has nothing to gain by lying to me, Harrington on the other hand has too much to gain or lose by being transparent. Don't be so naive.

“Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear.”
― Edgar Allan Poe

That's why I said it was a rumor to begin with. But when I hear enough evidence it will no longer be rumor. I will never hear the truth from Harrington because we all know who's side he is on and it's not yours unless you are SLEP.

Do you believe in God, Heaven, Hell, that Jesus arose from the grave? There is no evidence that God exists, but you still believe. There is so much fishy stuff going on with SC there is too much circumstantial evidence and motive to be ignored unless you are FAR RIGHT and believe there can never be any foul play if SC has anything to do with it.

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If you don't have anything nice to say, say it sarcastically!
The Truth often gets in the way of a good story.
Record companies should make every song in a karaoke version and kill the dispute!

There are many kinds of "right":
The legal right
The moral right
The political right
The "fair" right
The obvious right

Please feel free to add to the list

PS I don't think Cue is "far right" either

I wouldn't say that all lawyers are crooks. But we must understand that lawyers are paid to present a perspective that is in the best interest of their client. The most naive thing one could do would be to accept advice from a lawyer that is not being paid to represent YOUR perspective.