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if by self-centered, egotistical, un-professional you mean successful, then i guess you are right. count me on that list.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Yes it is about our customers, and what if our customers ask us to sing? Not doing it for my pleasure, doing it for theirs - the paying customers. So you only take care of SOME of the customers - if they ask to hear a song from you, they aren't worthy enough of your attention? You are right but back at ya - totally fu..ing amazing! I will continue to take care of all the customers - if they want to hear a song & ask me to sing it for them, then I will. If on the rare occasion I feel like singing in my show for my own enjoyment - I will! You don't like it - there's the door!

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Whatever...

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

Whatever? That's the best you got? C'mon!

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I believe it is more of a cowards game. Anonymously (@$%&#!) and moan about things and stir the pot because you have a few thousand miles of copper wire between you and the people you are poking with a sharp stick.

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-Chris

If you’re continuously getting bent out of shape when the host sings at the beginning or end of the round save yourself the aggravation & don’t patronize the place. Let your feet do the talking, take your business elsewhere & find the place that suits your interest. This is no different than going to a barber shop or restaurant for that matter; you don’t like the service, you don’t go back there again.

I’m one of those kj’s who sings at the beginning of the round. If I’ve been asked to do a duet in the middle or end of the rotation I don’t sing the next round. I don’t give a flying f if other hosts include themselves in the rotation as long as they don’t sing any more than the singers. btw I pull my name out 1 ½ hrs before closing time.

I used to go to other kj’s venues to get my karaoke fix. Lately though, I can no longer find any venue in par or at least come close to how I run my show hence I don’t go anymore.

Every kj has his/her own set of rules. It’s his show. To each his own! You can complain to the management all you want but if the owner likes the way he runs the show & brings the people in & spend money there’s not much you can do about it. Really? Kj’s singing in every rotation are pathetic & rotten pieces of sh*t? Then so be it! Apparently works for me because my business is still going strong – 23 years hosting. Peace, y'all!

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To be fortunate enough to derive an income from a source as fulfilling as karaoke music has got to be as close to heaven as we can get here on earth!

SOME PEOPLE NEED A GOOD POKE EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.

McDonalds is very successful. That doesn't mean that they serve the best food in town. Some people are successful in spite of themselves. I've told many hosts over the years what I thought of their shows and I've told them to their faces. I've even had a few thank me for giving them some constructive criticism. There have been many great shows that I have been to in the close to 20 years that I've been going to karaoke bars. I compliment the good ones just as quickly as I criticize the bad ones. I'm a consumer. If I buy food and it tastes bad, I let someone know about it. I ordered lobster in Massachusetts Seafood Restaurant one time and the lobster was still cold and raw in the center when they served it to me. You're damned right I complained about it. The only way things change for the better is when enough people complain about it....Speaking of Massachusetts, there were a small group of people up there who had a problem with the tax on tea a couple of hundred years ago. The typical karaoke singer just figures that it isn't worth the trouble to complain about the rotation because the KJ will just keep doing what he's been doing and the singer will get labeled as a prima donna for wanting a better situation for all of the CUSTOMERS. The KJ might even tell the person not to come to their show anymore if they don't like the way they run it. If it's the only convenient location for that singer; they will usually just bite their tongue and suffer through the Bull$hit. I knew a KJ who took bribes throughout his entire show and he would say that he's been doing this for 20 years and no one ever seems to have a problem with it. The guy lost all of his shows and left the state that he was working in and moved back home to the sticks.
I'm happy for all of you successful guys who don't care about the people who come to your shows. I'm also happy that I don't live anywhere near any of you.

So people shouldn't complain to the owner? They should just quietly leave with their tails between their legs so as to not upset the fragile KJs ego?

Slave owners were very successful for years before Abraham Lincoln didn't think it was such a great idea and decided to do something about it. Funny how the KJs that want to sing in every rotation all claim that it's okay because that's the way they've always done it and no one seems to mind. People might choose to keep their opinion to themselves but most karaoke singers don't like it when the KJ takes up a spot on a busy night. They may not say anything to the KJ, but they do say something to the other singers, whether you like it or not.

Your shows could be a little better for all of your customers but you all choose to ignore that in favor of feeding your own egos. Not pathetic. Not a piece of crap either. Just a little selfish.

Just my opinion and I know who will dismiss it and who will not. Have a great day everybody.

Amen, brother!

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Heheh The two of you crack me up. I know you think you know better than every other person that does it differently from the way you want it done, but that doesn't make those of us that do it differently less effective, crappy hosts, or anything less than what we actually are - successful hosts.

I think it bothers you that someone can actually run a very successful karaoke program in a manner different than the way you want it to be run.

btw.....

Cold shellfish is a potential health and safety issue. So of course you should mention that. You may even save a life.
The singer that tells a seasoned karaoke host how to run their show ......well...... where does the ego come into play?

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-Chris

thank you Chris, good way to say it.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

It's funny that every place I've been where the host included him/herself into the rotation would cause pissed off customers and would talk among each other about their displeasure. Yes folks, I've heard it with my own ears. Customers aren't happy when the host takes a slot taking away extra time from them.

I'm willing to bet if the singers were to take a poll, 98% would NOT want the kj to sing.

But that's OK, I know your egos are more important.

I am done with this thread. It surprised me and taught me a lesson.

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I've been watching this thread for the past two weeks; it has been interesting. This is one of those topics I found that when talking with other KJs, and every time it has come up here, it seems nobody is ever persuaded to change their way of doing things, especially the seasoned KJs.

When hosting, I rarely sang in a regular rotation and never anytime near the end of the night because that's when the singers would start worrying about whether they would get up again. This was mostly because starting as a singer I encountered a lot of hosts who would sing far too often and I would hear the complaints as a member of the audience and shared their feelings.

However, I realized that if the host doesn't sing at all, there is a disconnect from the crowd that can develop. By occasionally singing with those who have attended your party (if you are the host it is your party) a camaraderie develops between the host and the patrons that helps instill a degree of loyalty to that host. Being a part of the party, sharing and leading the good time that everybody came to experience is one of the things that keeps the host from becoming the equivalent of a karaoke drive thru cashier that nobody cares if they get the same one next time.

As a singer, I still get annoyed when I perceive the host as one who is singing too much. I also would rather not be the last singer of the night because there's usually nobody paying attention. So if the host sings one earlier in the night and bumps me out of that it's kind of a favor.
But I over analyze everything.

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KNOW THYSELF

So do you really think that your business is successful BECAUSE you sing for the lucky listeners? Do you think THAT the paying customers would stop coming if you didn't sing for them? Are there 35 people getting to your show early waiting to hear you test out the system because they don't want to miss out on hearing you sing a song?

Ask any average karaoke singer if they would rather sing a song or hear the KJ sing a song. I don't think many would choose to hear the KJ sing. A KJ singing during their own show is like an office employee surfing the internet on company time.

I'm concerned about 1 out of the 35 singers getting a chance to sing. The KJ is only concerned about getting ONE person up to sing. HIMSELF. Now whose ego is bigger?

I think it's just great that my food was brought to me cold because my waitress has a great voice and she decided to sing "total eclipse of the heart" while my food was ready to be brought to me but she was busy singnig. Yeah right. When you're at work, just do your job.

And who died and made you the ALL-RULING JUDGE of all KJs?????????????

Of course the host that makes the show about them is wrong. No gray there at all. No one here will disagree with that. I've been to shows with them and it's obvious the show is about them. I also hate the shows where the KJ caters to their buddies. I can't stand the shows where there are 20 singers in the rotation, with three or more dance songs at the end of every rotation. Some people like that! That's fine if that's what your crowd wants. I don't so I stay away from those.

I could walk in 30 minutes before start and there could be three birthday parties of people I do not know and only a few regulars. Singing anything at all on those nights would not be a service to the show unless it was tough getting people to sing or a regular asked for something. Then I'd sing something that was toned down and ok at best, just to show folks you do not need to be a pro to hit the stage. Or maybe prod a lady into a duet to get things going. But if they were raring to go, you let them roll. Those groups maybe only had a person or two that knew me so they did not want to hear me sing and that's perfectly OK.

I could walk in 30 minutes before start and the place could be loaded with regulars who start asking me what I was planning to sing or making requests before I could even get set. I would probably stay in most rotations and use my turn for duets with others asking for them. Once a rotation, unless things got really big, then only by request.

These are two extremes on both ends of the spectrum so factor in snow flakes of all different nights everywhere in between.

I walk in now as a guest but the long time regulars do not see me as being anything different as before. Most nights I had someone at the controls and quality checked from the floor and they see me in the same seat they used to always see me in. If anyone complained before, I never heard it and the bar owner didn't hear it because I would check in with him every chance I had.

I do not for a moment consider you to be an average karaoke singer.

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-Chris

You still never answered my question, where do you break the rule (all rules get broken or bent at some point)? Scenerio again - you get a request from a paying customer who doesn't sing & asks you specifically to sing a special request for them? Do you do it or ignore the non-singing paying customer - not to feed your own ego but to take care of a 'paying customers request only' that doesn't sing but wants to hear a song from you? Maybe you never get requests - I dunno, I get requests all the time in which some will get fulfilled, some won't depending on the night.

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This is funny, Alan. I wonder why my 98% pissed of customers who were talking amongst themselves about their displeasure for taking away their extra time were the very first ones on the dance floor at the start of the rotation because they already know I will sing a fast dance number?

Different strokes for different folks. You guys can call it anyway you want. Selfish, pathetic egotistical kjs, whatev’s. As long as I’m not abusing the rotation I will sing ONLY at the beginning of each round as a mark that it’s the start of the new rotation. If asked to do a duet, that would be my turn, hence I won’t sing the next round. Also, I’m out of the rotation 1 ½ hr before closing.


Bruce, I wish I’m one of those kj’s you’ve been told off what you think of their shows because I’ll tell you “If you’re not happy with the way I run my show why are you still here & why do you keep on coming back”?

Thank heavens you don’t live anywhere near my area! I don’t need the aggravation from diva customers & complainers with negative mind set. It affects my show & put me out of sync. So, to them I say: “Exit door is wide open. Don’t let it hit you on your way out!”

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To be fortunate enough to derive an income from a source as fulfilling as karaoke music has got to be as close to heaven as we can get here on earth!

The horrifying thing about it all is not only are hosts singing at their own shows, they are using programs other than Compu-host when they do it.