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i wouldn't know, i only hosted for a total of two years. However, the laptop I currently own and used is around 7 years old, and it works just fine

I was using my HD players 6 days a week 10 months a year. The only reason I changed players is that my old unit was filled and could not hold any more data. My last player had a 2 TB capacity which still had space on it when I retired.

You didn't need the bells and whistles, but you never had them at your disposal to really deem anything other than the fact that you wouldn't buy a program to replace what you had so to say you didn't need them isn't a fair statement since you never had them to make that judgement.
5 times had nothing to with the program - I had a bad video output that was replaced & haven't had any issues since (this has happened on my Pioneer player as well in the past). Again, wasn't detrimental to the show. Didn't lose the show or customers because of it - most didn't even realize there were any issues except for the fact that 1 song stopped in the middle (which I have had the same thing either stops or skips with discs happen as well - I don't consider that any different) because I simply cued up the disc for the next song & played from it while I rebooted & was back up on the computer by the next song. Even if I didn't have disc backup, I could have just thrown in a dance song for a couple minutes.
But I do not believe for 1 split second that your player has never had one issue ever. You can say it all you want, this I will never believe - all players beit disc, hard drive or whatever will eventually have something happen on occasion.

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Another advantage for computer, you could simply add a new hard drive or bigger one.

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The newer HD players are HD expandable. The cost of the units are not material since they paid for themselves like the music I purchased many times over, and are a cost of running a successful karaoke service as you well know Lonnie. You can believe what you want I guess I have been lucky but in nine years I had no real issues with either of my HD players.

Okay everyone, LR is right and everyone else is wrong. And that is about everything.

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Not everyone is a PC host tim, according to Jim Harrington at least 10% of the professional hosts sued by SC were using a HD players system. If that is used as a sample and there are about 50,000 hosts nation wide that would mean about 5,000 hosts could be using a HD player system. It's just that this forum is dominated by the PC using hosts, not to mention the hosts that still are truly disc based.

I don't think he factually stated 10% were using HD players, I think he was using the 1/10 as an example of a small fraction saying 1/10th of 1000 is 100 - far from 0.

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I think it would be logical to use this group as an example of the industry as a whole when you do a survey you are not polling everyone but a sample to get an idea of what the numbers are. Also this does not take into account the hosts that are still disc based operators. If Jim is not willing to throw out an exact number then why bring up any numbers? Could it be that there is something about this legal process that Jim is not sure about? He should be after all he has access to all of the information, and an exact number of types of hosts sued by SC wouldn't be breaking any secrecy agreements would it?

I guess you missed the part where Jim stated they don't keep a record of what was used. Next I suppose you'd want him to keep a record of the type and manufacturer of computers, IBM, H&P, Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, Dell, Acer, etc.

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If he is not keeping exact records then why even act like he knows, when he evidently doesn't? He has to slip in that they are going after hosts using HD players when he doesn't even know for sure any have been sued at all. He evidently has nothing to back up his claim, and it could well be none have been sued. I would have to think that there are more hosts using HD players than just me. With me only buying two machines from one manufacturer, who are buying the rest and supporting the other makers? I think most hosts would agree that there is a difference between a Hard Drive Player based system and a PC based one, just like there is a difference between disc based and PC based. It is not a matter of different computer makes, it is the difference between completely different operating systems.

I did not think it was possible for a person to be this obtuse.

1/10 was an example, not a statistic, as my statement makes clear. I do not know or care what the actual fraction is.

You don't care or know and yet you want to sue hosts without getting all the facts straight. Is that why the investigations before the suits were filed by SC were so sloppy Jim? Is that why some disc based hosts were sued by mistake? Is that why so many of these suits are dismissed before they even go to trial? You don't care about even finding out what type of delivery system the host is using, just as long as he is using your product. When he does that he opens the door to having SC come in and try their legal process shake down suits. This so called example of yours is worthless unless you have some hard data to back it up, some numbers, otherwise it is just your word that some HD player based host have been sued. You really don't know if any have been sued do you? You are just throwing that out to try and make HD player hosts sweat a little. To reinforce the suits drive sales mantra of Kurt and company.

Let me be very clear:

The percentage of hosts who use dedicated karaoke computers, which you refer to as "HD players," versus laptops and other general-purpose computer-based systems, is utterly irrelevant to any lawsuit against any defendant.

I do not know or care what the percentage is.

Whether a particular defendant uses a particular type of system is something that I am very much interested in, and something that is recorded during every investigation.

If you don't get it after that, then I think we are just going to have to conclude that this is entirely beyond your mental capacity to understand. Regardless, I'm done discussing it with you.

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Let me be very clear:


I do not know or care what the percentage is.

Whether a particular defendant uses a particular type of system is something that I am very much interested in, and something that is recorded during every investigation.

Let me be very clear if as you say the type of delivery system is recorded, what is the harm in letting us know the percentage of different commercial karaoke delivery systems that have been sued by SC? It is just a stat and in no way reveals any secrets in regards to your settlements. I would like to have a figure to demonstrate to the PC hosts that there are HD player operators in the industry and there numbers are significant. Unless you want to share the information I have to believe that you don't keep detailed records, and that the investigations have been done in a slip shod fashion Jim.

P.S. Oh that is right APS aka Steve Borphy was supposed to turn over investigation files and never did are you saying you don't have access to all investigation information?

Pardon me, but this is all you have ever done. You simply guess or make something up, then post it.

Now you want to jump on Mr. Harrington for something that everyone except you understands was just an offhand example? You want to use his example as leverage to back him into a corner? About something you never were and never will be impacted by?

Why? Do you really have nothing better to do then to come here and bring this forum down with your gibberish?

-Chris

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The harm is that I would I have to comb through more than 1,000 investigative files in order to compile the statistic you're looking for. As I told you in the beginning, we don't routinely compile that statistic because we don't care what it is. I'm not interested in wasting time doing that just so you can make some point that is irrelevant to begin with. I have enough work as it is.

I have seen "HD player operators" during my investigations. We have sued the ones we believed were infringing SC's intellectual property. Their numbers are small in comparison to laptop operators. How small? I don't know precisely. It would not surprise me if it were 10:1 in favor of laptop operators. It would also not surprise me if it were 25:1.

All of this would have been apparent from my very first words on this subject. Your problem is that you're not looking for information; you're looking for opportunities to cast aspersions on SC.

SC's legal process has disgraced itself it doesn't need any help from me. I'm still waiting to see what happens with EMI. Also you can't convince me that with computer's you don't have legal file information downloaded and you can get the information with just a click of a button. You make sound as if you are still using paper files stored in some warehouse. I still don't believe that you have ever sued any HD operator, your unwillingness to provide a number reinforces that belief.

Pardon me Chris but it was Jim that threw a number out there and wasn't willing to back it up. I didn't mean to back a lawyer into a corner, I mean it isn't like that is something they don't do in court, right? I'm sorry if you think the old man is picking on the corporate lawyer. It would seem to me if he is going to make a statement he needs to back it up. After all he is supposed to be the responsible one, right?

Really doesn't matter which method is being used - a hard drive is a hard drive - the same storage device, a media shift is still a media shift beit computer, laptop, or hard drive player. It's all the same thing in the end.

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