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Joe, if you can find the SC version of "If I can dream" in the style of Elvis, i DEFY you to listen to it and honestly come back here and say that version sucks.

Not only have I been able to sing this, but I have literally got STANDING OVATIONS when I sang it at two different venues that I frequent.

Granted, it is only one song but to say that ALL the elvis they did sucks is unfair.

I will say that "Good Luck Charm" and "Return to Sender" are epic fails tho.

-James

edit: oops I screwed up the quoting again.. See Joe isn't the only person who has difficulty with this crap.

Me thinks JoeC listed to SGB versions of Elvis straight from the CD but 320k Rips of SC Elvis tracks. That probably ruined the whole experience for him.

-Chris

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Just on a side note from this post, I agree about return to sender. The SC version is pretty bad.

I use the Priddis version. Very Nice.

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Sorry. Idiots dispute it.



I would agree with that. That is why I have E1-E10. Country is not my BASE however, hence the term. BASE SET. PLEASE try to follow along.



Yup. There is a reason they are the #1 most stolen Karaoke brand.



I was illustrating the artists that one might associate with the word "CORE". "BASE". IE: MUST HAVES. Not to be taken literally.

And HEY! You are getting better at quoting! See what a little practice & reading does?

Not even close.

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Again I seriously doubt they were trying to tarnish CAVS rep., again, poorly worded. They were using their hard drive system as an example of illegally loaded SC tracks onto a cavs instead of saying something like hard drive system.
DK - I only have a handful only because I got them in bulk buys or very cheap rates. Never had nor wanted the entire set. CAVS - is crap.

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Careful Lonman , CAVs might come and sue you... Course then they would have to prove that telling the truth caused them damages

The point is gentlemen if the CAVS product is that inferior, it is not necessary for SC to do or say anything about them. They will fail as a business and that will be the end of end. It is only SC's insecurity that forces it to go after targets that other still viable manus won't even bother with.

Sometimes an entity might encounter a potentially damaging result, and feel the inclination to lash out at anything or anything that might remotely be connected with that poor result. Others might recognize the deficiency and affect positive change in order to slow or reverse the effects of the relative issues...

Once again not ALL CAVS products suck!

The OLD jb-99s. Yes.

The NEWER jb-199's. No. Learn to load it right!

Cavs music. Yes.

Cavs 203 cdg/ dvd player. No.

They were/are hated on because like Bose they were overpriced and there are cheaper alternatives for the cheaper kjs. Laptops oveheat. Cavs 199s NEVER. They are desktops with f-a-n-s built in. And they are workhorses. I went to a laptop because they are much lighter and use a usb fan. Still overheats sometimes.

I DO, however, agree that SC didn't mean to damage CAVS reputation directly, but were definitely pissed off that a ton of the pirated SC material went onto those machines BEFORE kjs started using/ trusting laptops. I bet there's 10,000 times the pirated SC tracks on LAPTOPS than on Cavs 99's or 199s. The ENCRYPTION process for Cavs is a PITA.

Interesting question for Harrington. If James knows how many CAVS units he's investigated for pirated SC material versus how many laptop pirates.

There are no hard drive players that have ever been sued by SC to my knowledge. They are so rare the last 9 years in the business I went from being disc based to using first the U-Best 168- DA, then later the 268-DA they have only a one year warranty and they are still playing today. In the years I have used them they never once crashed, I wonder if the same can be said for PC's. I'm the only host I know of that used them exclusively, everyone else was either DBO or PC. If an investigator were to observe the operator it would appear that he is not using a PC. There are several of these machines on the market, the reason they have not caught on is because the loading process is so labor intensive. This might have changed since most now have usb ports that make loading easier. The old machines have to be loaded one track at a time. Once loaded they are the easiest system to use like a jukebox you just punch the number and the song comes up. Much easier than typing on a PC, and you have the advantage of playing discs on the machine that are brought in as well.

I disagree. Lot of crappy things get produced that people still buy. People buy them because the price point is right, or they fall for the marketing of the product.

I wouldn't use a CAVS unit for a lot of reasons. But the most obvious one being that they use Windows XP as the base operating system.

-Chris

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-Chris

It's actually even simpler than that. The email was sent in connection with evidence-gathering activities directed at a specific lawsuit against a distributor of counterfeit SC content. The point of the email was to attempt to gather evidence because the defendant in the lawsuit had actually sold CAVS machines that had been preloaded--by the defendant, not CAVS--with SC-branded tracks and not sold with original discs. It should have been worded differently, not because the content of the email was disparaging to CAVS, but because the email put the emphasis where it should not have been.

It had nothing to do with them being an inferior product. SC was talking about using hard drive players LIKE the CAVS with illegally loaded SC content.

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That was not CAVS fault Lonnie, all they did was make the product, if the purchaser did something illegal that was not CAVS responsibility or fault, yet SC tried to tarnish CAVS reputation. Funny SC made such a big deal about the HD player and yet has never busted one host using it in a commercial setting. I wonder why?

So Jim hindsight being 20/20 SC could have saved their insurer's $375,000.00 if they would have run it through the legal department aka you in the first place, right?

Because so few use them in a commercial setting? Why pay so much for a slow computer running an ancient, insecure, and soon to be unsupported operating system and be forced into using their application when you buy a fast computer, with a modern, safe operating system, and use whatever hosting software you wish? The answer to this is that CAVS charges a premium for a lackluster computerized hosting machine for people that can't figure out how to use a computer.

I am actually quite interested in how they are selling machines with Windows XP installed to them when Windows XP has not been available for purchase since 2009. Did they buy a crap ton of licenses? Are they buying up old copies from retail stock or eBay? Are they leveraging downgrade rights from Windows Vista?

And why would they willingly put their customers at risk by selling a networkable computer with an insecure, unsupported operating system?

-Chris

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You have never used a HD player system Chris you are making assumptions. They are quicker than most PC based systems, when used by an experienced operator. The music quality is better than most PC's since the music downloaded directly from the disc is not compressed at all. That is why on a 2 TB system you can only put 50,000 karaoke songs on their is no compression. I used such a machine and never had one crash as compared to computer based hosts. The only real drawback to the system is the labor involved in loading the hard drive. With the newer machines it is possible to use the usb port for loading taking out much of the drudgery of putting your library on the hard drive. For a person who doesn't like the PC approach and yet wants not to carry around all his discs, it is a good compromise. It is not a system for a lazy host that doesn't want to invest the time in it. By the way just how much support would this machine need, it only has a few functions storing data, and generating playing lists?

You assume far too much. I do have hands on experience with the latest CAVS unit. I have played around with the 3D Interface as well. The CAVS unit is slower to add new singers, find songs and start playing than a run of the mill laptop running Karma. I can teach a person with zero hosting experience how to use Karma and be faster at using it then then most experienced CAVS operators I have met (which is very, very low btw).

The music quality/compression info is irrelevant due to where most karaoke is provided (noisy venues). Even in a quieter environment, most people can't tell the difference between uncompressed and 128k encoding.

Regardless, even if it were faster and had noticeably better sound, it is unforgivably insecure.

-Chris

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-Chris