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-Chris

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-Chris

Somebody in that area is hiring--Harryoke's schedule says he is starting a Monday show at a new venue. That makes 5 days a week for him in that area. Maybe he will come on and give us a report on how things are going out there.

Just wasn't sure for a moment where u were coming from, you had wondering if you had been abducted by an aliens.

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Correct- but remember that I said that there ARE a few, and Harry - from our discussions- is probably the best KJ in the area. Also, I'm not sure whether he is disc or PC based.

I keep missing his show when I visit, which frustrates me, but mom comes first. Hope to go soon, because I KNOW how good he is....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I believe Harry is computer based. I know he was running MTU Hoster for a while, he may have switched out.

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Harry is PC Based. I've been to his shows (whenever I've gone to Florida) over the years.

As I have said many times, I don't play Sound Choice as my preferred brand because people demand it. I would guess that 98% have no clue and couldn't name a single Karaoke brand name.

I play them because they are, bar none, a base set of the most faithful reproductions of the original versions. And THAT people notice in compliments like "You have the best songs" or "Your songs sound so much better than KJ-Whatshisname".

People DO notice quality song versions over junk. Even if it is the "same old tired crap", that gets requested again...and again...and again.

I am not a babe in the woods when it comes running a karaoke show and I have NEVER had anyone mention that I have the best songs because I have a ton of SC songs. You have to be kidding..... right!

OK, so in YOUR area, singers have no brand recognition, and YOU choose your favorite versions- got it.

However, after I don't know HOW many posts, you simply will not answer what you would do if the GEMS are recalled. Enough. You won't admit that you will use the ripped tracks, despite not having the discs. Fine.

Now, for the first time, I will make a prediction about the EMI suit. SC will lose, even if I do not want them to.

Why? because whether they are right or wrong, they are completely inept in court- that simple. They could screw up a free lunch in front of a judge.

What about a settlement, you ask? In my personal opinion, SC does not have enough money to pay a settlement of the size that I believe EMI will demand- leaving them back in court.

Why do I say all this? I think that GEM owners have chosen to bury their heads in the sand and hope for the best. My original question: Whether to delete from HD or not if a recall is required was in hopes of getting them to think of alternatives.- not pee on them for using GEMS. In other words it's time to think about your BUSINESSES.

Whether you believe SC is in the right or not, you MUST protect YOURSELVES- you can't depend on a legal team that makes judges make negative statements for the record- they are failures.
I don't say this to pee on SC, but to warn smart business owners that it is time to do some thinking.

Bazza, though- whether you cannot stand me or not- I expected more intelligent answers if for no other reason then OTHER posters that you feel agree with your philosophies as posted could suffer- yet selfishness or pride wins out.

GEM owners will have to think about alternatives, not because of MY personal opinions of SC, but because they have PROVEN that they will mismanage everything from production without licensing- which cost them a fortune, copyright protection ( the media cloque disaster) and their unbelievable lack of management regarding the "protection" suits.

In other words, EMI has a long and successful winning record in court, while SC couldn't figure out how to win in court- right or wrong- no matter how they try.

SC will lose, and GEM owners better dam well come up with an alternate plan. If you Disc Based, and have nothing to lose. I'm trying to HELP YOU.

That being said, assuming SC screws up again. I offer the two possible alternatives as they stand today:

1} The DT plan regarding monthly publisher licensing for their downloads- that will also mean that songs licensed one month could very well disappear the next.

2) Buying backup tracks and adding lyric sweeps on your own - Karaoke Builer, Karaoke Master, or like RYOK from Pop Hits, using your own software, leaving the KJ liable for pro usage.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

What I think will happen is SC will have to pay licensing on all GEMs currently out there (worst case scenerio) and not be able to lease anymore (much like some of the discs including 8125) - or they just pay for existing licensing and future licensing and nothing will happen and they will continue to sell.

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I don't believe there will be any fallout that rolls down to current GEM licensees. But if there is, I feel I will have gotten more than my money's worth out of my GEM licenses.

I can attribute a portion of my success in expanding, commanding higher rates, and the popularity of my karaoke programs to having the GEM in my arsenal.

That makes it a wise investment.

-Chris

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-Chris

You completely misunderstood what I said. Please re-read. In fact I believe we are in agreement.




See. I knew that was where you were going and refused to be baited. Sorry I didn't play along.

That being said, they aren't going to be recalled.



Seems to me you are just angry I chose not to be baited into your little game.



BS. This is ALL your personal opinion about SC.

So they are your go-to brand because they are YOUR favorite brand. No problem with that. We just have different philosophies in regard to library building.

While many customers don't know specific brands, they DO respond differently to different versions, and I chose go-to tracks based on their preferences.

For instance, Sound Choice produces the patrons' most popular version of "Kind Of A Drag" ( I happen to agree), but they prefer (believe it or not) SGB's "Son Of A Preacher Man". My oldies singers- in general- like MM. Not because the production values are better- they certainly are not- but because the arrangements are closest to the original.

For Elvis the preferred is NOT MM, but a mix of Chartbuster and Pocket Songs.

In other words, I give them what THEY want, not what I want. If no preference has been established, THEN I would choose my favorite version, whatever that may be.

If neither I nor my patron have a particular preference, then I will generally default to DK if they have the track, as their versions are the easiest to sing.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

The scenario you describe is absolutely possible. However, I get the feeling that EMI may be trying to set a new precedent for karaoke, and may not let it go without additional financial consideration.

However, I believe the point you were making was that GEM users may not be affected at all, and I agree. I was merely presenting a possible scenario, which some here can't understand (Not directed at you, Lon).

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

My personal opinion? So you are saying that they did a great job with Media-Cloq ( which cost them big time), track production without having documented licensing in hand ( which cost them big time), the handling- or lack thereof- of APS (which cost them big time financially and reputation-wise), the the retaining only of the right to produce tracks on disc only, with streaming and download rights going to Sting-Ray ( which has and will cost them big time- even a Luddite like be can follow business trends), and their handling of court cases ( which cost them big time- also not only financially, but to their reputation as well)?

Your opinion differs from mine on this? You think they displayed terrific managerial skills? Well, you certainly have your right to that, I guess....

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe,exactly what gives you a "feeling" that EMI is going to make an example of SC, other than your own hope. And yes, you do hope, regardless of what you say. When it comes to civil courts, it is all about money. EMI and SC will either settle out of court, SC will win, or EMI will win with some sort of monetary settlement. EMI will not want SC out of business. It is virtually impossible to collect from a company that has gone under.

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Why cant people read what I write? (sigh).

No. Again. "I play them because they are, bar none, a base set of the most faithful reproductions of the original versions."

This I believe, all other arguments aside, is not a matter of debate amongst KJ's.



Exactly my point. Which is why Sound Choice (GEM) is my go-to for 98% of the base music. Because it is most faithful to the originals.



Well of course. The implied jab aside, we all do that. There are a handful of songs that SC isn't the best on. You cant bat 100 all the time. But overwhelmingly, they are the undisputed gold standard. I give people the best quality songs. Period.



Yes I think they did a great job! A great job making THE BEST karaoke songs the world has ever seen. Songs with production values that equal and are often indistinguishable from the originals. THAT is why I use them. THAT is what I care about. I don't give a rats (@$%&#!) about the SC PANIC of the month. Its tired. It's played out. I care about my show and my show, is a quality show. Sound matters to me. Let the other guy who treats Karaoke as his weekend hobby play MIDI files or the cheesy pan flute. I want only the best and was not afraid to invest in my business. Because it IS a business unlike so many who treat it as a weekend hobby and put as little cash back as possible. And guess what happened? That investment has already paid off and paid for itself years ago.

I was left with the impression that you disagreed with my assessment of their managerial style, as implied by your posted reply to my statement- which had nothing to do with SC's quality:
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JoeChartreuse wrote:
GEM owners will have to think about alternatives, not because of MY personal opinions of SC, but because they have PROVEN that they will mismanage everything


( Bazza's Original Reply): BS. This is ALL your personal opinion about SC.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

That is exactly tim why even though SC sues pirate hosts they don't want to run them out of business. It would make it virtually impossible to collect from them. It is better to use the threat of legal action as leverage to have them license the GEM series. Sort of like a food chain the host pays SC who in turn pays EMI. Instead of an organ grinder with one monkey, he has two.

I'd love to answer you Joe, but your post is a quoting mess. Please, for the love of god, read this.

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