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So, as I read it, you would delete the GEMS from your HD if a recall is requred ( which, as I have stated several times, is only a possibility.)

Thank you. Apparently my question WAS clear enough.

I also have no problem with at least part of your reasoning regarding a GEM lease- though I sure as hell wouldn't pay it all up front. If you believe that require GEMS to be successful, then by that logic you need them to stay in business, and have no choice but to lease them now.

All about perceived need, with which no one can argue...[/quote]

Joe,
I do not need or require the Gem sets to stay in business nor do I need the Gems to be successful in this business (I was successful before my first Gem lease). I am running my business on the premise of giving my clients the best experience including best selection of karaoke tracks (including but not exclusive to CB DTE AS PHM SC and other misc brands) often times yelding to their request for my market. That is called added value. I don't do a lot of things in business because I want it but because my clients (aka consumers) demand it. If it what they demand, then I deliver if at all possible. Even if I were to pay the entire lease up front, the expense would be a deductable expense and if I were to lose the right to use the product again I could take the deduction for the loss as well. As for you trying to understand my reasoning, stop trying. It after all it is my business to run and it is working very well.

To answer you first question clearly:

If, the outcome of the pending action against SC by EMI concluded to the favor of EMI and it was ordered that all Gem holders were required to dispose of their copies from our HDs, and On the advice of my attorney, I would dispose of the Gem product as he so directs. Yet, we are a long way from that happening and I will take a wait and see. This may never happen or this may happen as you see it but many years down the road. Afterall, if some of the kjs that have ligitation pending against them by SC that has been dragged out, I am sure SC's legal team will not just roll over (this my go on for years).

Have a great day.

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Oh come on Rumbolt, clients don't know what they want - take away their SC discs, they will never know the difference & be perfectly happy with the other brands. You'd never lose any singers because of it if you replace all those songs with other versions (provided you can get other versions because they were exclusive to SC). Remember other hosts have already done this with absolutely no ill effects, never losing a single customer because of it. Remember most kj's in the ares of those who already don't use SC, don't use SC so nobody will ever miss it!

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If the activity is indeed illegal then why drag it out? Wouldn't it be better to stop the bleeding sooner rather than later? Should EMI prevail it is not going to change the fact that SC sued others for the same crime they themselves committed. I guess it would give the supporters out there cover at least for the time of the legal process to run it's full course.

Rumbolt... who are you quoting? Joe C. doesn't have (and probably never will obtain) a GEM set.

Lookin' REALLY dumb, my friend- but I'll ask again- hopefully it will not be too hard for you to follow:

A: Would you delete all the GEM tracks on your hard drive if the discs are recalled. or would you continue to use said tracks without the GEMS in your possesson?

If this question is still too hard for you to handle, Bazza, let me know- I will ask someone to post it in Pictograph.

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HOLY CRAP! Lonman and I AGREE???? Of course we would. Lon- who normally disagrees with me in most things, knows that a good host is what rules a show- not the library.

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Joe,
I do not need or require the Gem sets to stay in business nor do I need the Gems to be successful in this business (I was successful before my first Gem lease). I am running my business on the premise of giving my clients the best experience including best selection of karaoke tracks (including but not exclusive to CB DTE AS PHM SC and other misc brands) often times yelding to their request for my market. That is called added value. I don't do a lot of things in business because I want it but because my clients (aka consumers) demand it. If it what they demand, then I deliver if at all possible. Even if I were to pay the entire lease up front, the expense would be a deductable expense and if I were to lose the right to use the product again I could take the deduction for the loss as well. As for you trying to understand my reasoning, stop trying. It after all it is my business to run and it is working very well.

To answer you first question clearly:

If, the outcome of the pending action against SC by EMI concluded to the favor of EMI and it was ordered that all Gem holders were required to dispose of their copies from our HDs, and On the advice of my attorney, I would dispose of the Gem product as he so directs. Yet, we are a long way from that happening and I will take a wait and see. This may never happen or this may happen as you see it but many years down the road. Afterall, if some of the kjs that have ligitation pending against them by SC that has been dragged out, I am sure SC's legal team will not just roll over (this my go on for years).

Have a great day.[/quote]

If you noticed- as I have said repeatedly- I have no idea how the case will turn out. That being said, you answered my question- the GEMS would be deleted- no matter what the cost to you. Thank you for a clear and concise answer.

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I choose #6. Nothing will happen.

And learn how to use the quoting system would ya?

...and once again, Bazza, I state Ad Nauseum:

1) I agree that there is a chance that nothing will happen.

2) I do not WANT SC to lose this one because of the damage the loss would do to the rest of us.

The question was simply a hypothetical "what if?".

Two possible answers, and you couldn't choose one to post. I get the feeling that you would keep using them, but are uncomfortable with posting that here? Else why not answer?

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Or maybe Bazza is just sick and tired of all the "What If" scenarios that keep getting posted and reposted and reposted and reposted and reposted and reposted Ad Nauseum, that he doesn't feel like answering anymore.

Joe, like I've been told in the past (regarding some of my pet peeves here), sometimes you just have to let it go.

I am working on this now. I just finished cross referencing the A's. So far out of 385 A songs in the GEM, I had 194 of them sang at my shows (whether they be SC or another brand) in 2013.

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Lon,
I am sure your post was mostly tongue in cheek, right???? If not, wow.

In my market (I challenge anyone to come and visit), there are many of my regulars that request a specific brand of choice and often it is SC. Would my show survive without a brand or 2, I would think so. But for me from the beginning I have always had the major labels so I don't know what my show would be otherwise. Does not matter. My talent, my karaoke collection, my sound, someone likes it and that is all that really matters.

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Of course it was. I too get customers specifically because I carry brands & quality versions (or just have songs) other kj's do not!
I could survive without certain brands, but I would not have the same good singing crowds - that I will guarantee! It would fall back to the bad to ok singers, singing the same tired crap.

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I could probably make do just fine by dropping Sound Choice, but I would also suffer from some customer service issues as people get accustomed to singing other versions of songs. There is no reason for me to drop Sound Choice though and no reason for me to suffer through the satisfaction issues.

-Chris

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Lonman,

I suggest that since SC has not produced any new music since 2009, and much of the GEM series even older than that, makes them the same tired crap.

I really have no disagreement with the above, but re-iterate the following:

While Lon's post probably WAS tongue-in-cheek,

"Remember other hosts have already done this with absolutely no ill effects, never losing a single customer because of it. Remember most kj's in the ares of those who already don't use SC, don't use SC so nobody will ever miss it!" is still an absolute fact. Also a fact is that my area is one of those that may have been less flooded with SC's marketing, and several other brands have always been more popular here.

We agree that the major labels and their quality are important to a show, it just so happens- despite the fact that SC made a nice product back in the day- they are not the most requested brand here. Like you, I must give my patrons what they ask for, and always have.

On the other hand many KJs - NOT YOU, but others- have already admitted that they are library dependent, and feel that their shows would actually fail without a specific brand.

I can only wish that all of the KJs in my market felt that way. That would leave me as the only actual Karaoke Host around...

Kidding aside, Rum, it looks like our hosting philosophies are the same- we are simply geared toward different markets. Nothing wrong with that- it's the way it SHOULD be.

Speaking of SC free areas, I just found something out. I asked my mom, who lives in northeast Florida, to take a look around. Apparently- thanks to SC per her questioning of the venues- there is almost no karaoke in her area anymore- no one will hire there.. There are a few ( This is the suburbs of Daytona, but most of what was there is gone.

Again, they told my mother that SC has been in and out of the area so many times that no can't be bothered having karaoke anymore.

It's not just NJ, and others have posted the same problem in other parts of the country as well.

If lives in an SC marketed area, and need what everyone else has, I get it. Just don't labor under the misconception that SC is a nationwide neccesity. In some places they never were, and in some places they just crapped their own label badly enough to blow their market.

I would be sure of which my area was before going for GEMS, before or after the resolution of the EMI case.

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Hmmmm Sound like an opportunity to me! Maybe I should set up shop in Florida!

-Chris

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I'm talking stereotypical karaoke standards - ie reference to same tired crap. I could care less about when a song is produced or what manu is not producing anymore. DK isn't producing anymore, and kj's go on and on about them being a primary staple in their selection. Most of my songs that get sung are in the 70's to early 2000's, you can see that for yourself in my most sung thread in which I just posted the top 500 done at my show in 2013. MOST of the music that gets requested, aren't even out on karaoke - but are again from the 70's to early 2000's. The handful of 'new' songs that got in the list will most likely not be their next year.
But since my show does not rely on 'new' music, the GEM series would fit the bill just fine for my core & I could just download as needed for the rest. I am on the c's now in my cross-reference from what was sung at my show last year as to what is in the GEM series and right now it's at about 65% as to what is in the gem & what was song from it.

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You cannot definitively guarantee that kj's have NOT lost any customers because they dropped a specific brand. You just may not have HEARD any complaints & they just quietly moved on their merry way to other shows or quit coming out altogether and maybe do it at home now. I know I would leave (or maybe finish out the night) but would not bother telling the kj. I know some kj's here that have dropped SC and I gained new customers because they didn't have their songs anymore on the version they prefer. Whether they told their kj that they were leaving because of it remains to be seen, however they did in fact let ME know why they are no longer going there which was the dropping of a specific manu - in which their song versions (or songs that were exclusive to the brand) are no longer available for them to sing.
I can tell you this some of those kj's must have lost quite a bit, because now they offer the brand they dropped again. Some of those singers still go to my shows because I have much more to offer.

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Well if you do, I'm tolld I'm told that most of the survivors are l running discs in order to be allowed to work- my kinda area!

The good news is- for those who haven't been around modern multi-media disc players: Despite the myths being circulated about GEMS on the forums, they CAN be played on most modern players- a PC is NOT required.

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